Tesla model Y

[Rskc]

On 9/21/2025 at 1:07 PM, Theoldjaffa said:

Bro what’s the transition EV you had?

MG4. Still love the car. Best value for money RWD. With super cold aircon. Lol. 😁😆

Edited September 21 by Rskc

[Rskc]

On 9/21/2025 at 1:11 PM, Voodooman said:

Why outdated? The design or the tech?  

On design, got to buy something that you can live with as it is hard to keep up with each new model given the competition in some market.  Somehow a old BMW with old design language still looks good due partly to its branding.  The CN EV players don't have the legacy nor the branding, only tech.

Tesla's design are pretty dated actually. 5-10 years and they hardly changed.  Improved but still .... Elon is just good at marketing his evergreen design as simi design language while saving shitloads of money, using his mould/ casting machines a zillion times in the names of efficient design while he poured most of his money into robotaxis and other areas.

Cars are so expensive here people have confirmation bias.  Sorry bro, no offence hor.  Just a discussion. Happy to hear other views. 

 

Hey bro, sure no offense taken!! 😄 Agree to disagree mah. 

The design and model. I mean chinese EVs are coming out with too many new models too fast or facelifting too fast that barely 1 yr old model is outdated e.g. G6. Tesla's old model 3 still looks great to me.

Agree with you that bmw design pretty stays and it doesnt facelift every year. I am bias here cos I was a bimmer fan till this whole EV disruption. And yes, the new ix3 looks great to me but probably not the price cos I know it will be 300k and above. 😅

[Heartbreakid]

On 9/21/2025 at 10:28 AM, inlinesix said:

Most people outside of China do not understand how competitive China is.
It applies to all industry.

Every quarter is a facelift while every new year is a new product cycle.

That is the problem with people and also with people who thinks that outside of China, people do not understand the competitiveness of China. 

Edited September 22 by Heartbreakid

[Heartbreakid]

On 9/21/2025 at 1:36 PM, Theoldjaffa said:

I love the 5N too. But the price and road tax not good for me.

The facelift for Ioniq 6 looks good too! I realise I like slit headlamps 😑

 

The facelift Ioniq 6 does address some design issue of the pre-facelift model and it does away the rear spoiler too. But what I cannot get over is the droopy rear and the mostly hard plastic interior because the rivals offer alot better quality soft touches interior and cleaner exterior looks for a lower price here.

[Volvobrick]

On 9/22/2025 at 8:20 AM, Heartbreakid said:

The facelift Ioniq 6 does address some design issue of the pre-facelift model and it does away the rear spoiler too. But what I cannot get over is the droopy rear and the mostly hard plastic interior because the rivals offer alot better quality soft touches interior and cleaner exterior looks for a lower price here.

I hate droopy rear.... Merc Eqe and EQS also same sagging rear end. 

[Theoldjaffa]

On 9/22/2025 at 8:20 AM, Heartbreakid said:

The facelift Ioniq 6 does address some design issue of the pre-facelift model and it does away the rear spoiler too. But what I cannot get over is the droopy rear and the mostly hard plastic interior because the rivals offer alot better quality soft touches interior and cleaner exterior looks for a lower price here.

cos komoco mark up too high issit hahah

[Heartbreakid]

On 9/22/2025 at 11:15 AM, Theoldjaffa said:

cos komoco mark up too high issit hahah

Maybe. Or maybe because we are an expensive city, hence the car will assembled need to live up to our city's name "expensive". 

Ok ok. Off topic already. 😅 This is a Tesla Model Y topic. 

Edited September 22 by Heartbreakid

[serenade]

While I like the roomy interior and boot of the Y, I cannot accept the driver's instrument panel. Or lack thereof. I am a guy who likes to see moving meters in front of me when I drive.  From my first car, influenced by the family's Humber, they all had many meters. Speedo, tachometer, oil pressure, engine temperature and battery charging amps.  Later on there was turbo boost and fuel consumption. I am a meter whore. 

EV no thrill to see the revs on the tacho climb to red-line when I floor the accelerator between gears. Ha ha  

[Fellows]

On 9/21/2025 at 10:08 AM, Heartbreakid said:

I initially got very impressed and grew strong interest with CN EVs, but the pace they introduced their products and their line-up gave me an impression of a mess. And agree that their design lack of character. Exterior-wise still can differentiate but the interior, the dashboard design especially, all with the same template. And I feel they are very strong in their marketing just to get their products move but speaking of break-through, especially in range, they are not making much progress. As fast as my interest grew on them, they also become boring very fast too. I feel Tesla made changes and progress at a more normal and healthy pace like legacy auto-makers, while CN ones are like pushing for the sake of pushing to stay competitive.

 

On 9/21/2025 at 10:28 AM, inlinesix said:

Most people outside of China do not understand how competitive China is.
It applies to all industry.

Every quarter is a facelift while every new year is a new product cycle.

It feels a bit shag, imagine buying a China-made EV just 6 months to a year ago, and suddenly a new facelift model is released. The intense competition drives manufacturers to keep producing at cut-throat prices. Even when the local market can’t fully sustain demand, they continue manufacturing, tapping into government subsidies for new energy vehicles, and then push for mass exports.

Chinese EV makers operate almost like smartphone companies, refreshing their lineups annually. Sometimes you see unfamiliar brands suddenly emerging, producing EVs and exporting them overseas. In Singapore especially, it now feels like the floodgates have opened — the market is full of China-made EVs, along with food stalls, restaurants, supermarkets, and even visa-free entry for Chinese visitors, which is quite a change from the past.

More than half of the new cars registered are BYD, driving up the Cat A COE. On top of that, many Singaporeans seem to be embracing Chinese products more and more — from cars to apps like 抖音, 小红书, and 微博. I’m not sure if this is ultimately a good or bad thing, but it’s definitely a big shift.

As for Tesla, new model Y is definitely better looking than the previous model, cannot consider it as a facelift, should be a brand new generation, see more and more on the roads

 

 

Edited September 23 by Fellows

[Lala81]

On 9/23/2025 at 4:41 PM, Fellows said:

 

It feels a bit shag, imagine buying a China-made EV just 6 months to a year ago, and suddenly a new facelift model is released. The intense competition drives manufacturers to keep producing at cut-throat prices. Even when the local market can’t fully sustain demand, they continue manufacturing, tapping into government subsidies for new energy vehicles, and then push for mass exports.

Chinese EV makers operate almost like smartphone companies, refreshing their lineups annually. Sometimes you see unfamiliar brands suddenly emerging, producing EVs and exporting them overseas. In Singapore especially, it now feels like the floodgates have opened — the market is full of China-made EVs, along with food stalls, restaurants, supermarkets, and even visa-free entry for Chinese visitors, which is quite a change from the past.

More than half of the new cars registered are BYD, driving up the Cat A COE. On top of that, many Singaporeans seem to be embracing Chinese products more and more — from cars to apps like 抖音, 小红书, and 微博. I’m not sure if this is ultimately a good or bad thing, but it’s definitely a big shift.

As for Tesla, new model Y is definitely better looking than the previous model, cannot consider it as a facelift, should be a brand new generation, see more and more on the roads

 

 

When cost of living/inflation hits everyone except the top 5-10% where their rise in assets valuation outpaces that of inflation. 

For the middle class like myself, I think everyone is more careful about discrete spending over the last few years. It's not like overall spending has dropped, but certainly discretionary spending has changed. Maybe 10 years ago, people will say i want to buy an European marque 1 day. Now they would say Tesla is already stretch. BYD is reasonable.

VFM or what the taiwanese call CP tends to factor more and more when the middle class "feels" more stretched. 
I honestly can't see a reason to buy a Western product anymore unless it's really so much more superior. Like Apple/Tesla still has it for now. But really not many. 

 

[Voodooman]

On 9/24/2025 at 8:54 AM, Lala81 said:

When cost of living/inflation hits everyone except the top 5-10% where their rise in assets valuation outpaces that of inflation. 

For the middle class like myself, I think everyone is more careful about discrete spending over the last few years. It's not like overall spending has dropped, but certainly discretionary spending has changed. Maybe 10 years ago, people will say i want to buy an European marque 1 day. Now they would say Tesla is already stretch. BYD is reasonable.

VFM or what the taiwanese call CP tends to factor more and more when the middle class "feels" more stretched. 
I honestly can't see a reason to buy a Western product anymore unless it's really so much more superior. Like Apple/Tesla still has it for now. But really not many. 

 

Yup. Can't fathom why people are complaining about Chinese EV's cut throat price, constant facelift and too many new tech and features when we don't have an auto sector to protect. Unlike the Americans, Europeans and Japanese.   The power of western media.

I am actually rejoicing, we need more competition, not less. Hope the Chinese can improve on their drive and vehicle weight.

I thought Chinese EV manufacturers are no longer getting direct subsidies from the govt and money is given to consumers instead, so if the products are not competitive, they can't sell and there won't be a "subsidy". 

[Lala81]

On 9/24/2025 at 9:47 AM, Voodooman said:

Yup. Can't fathom why people are complaining about Chinese EV's cut throat price, constant facelift and too many new tech and features when we don't have an auto sector to protect. Unlike the Americans, Europeans and Japanese.   The power of western media.

I am actually rejoicing, we need more competition, not less. Hope the Chinese can improve on their drive and vehicle weight.

I thought Chinese EV manufacturers are no longer getting direct subsidies from the govt and money is given to consumers instead, so if the products are not competitive, they can't sell and there won't be a "subsidy". 

Unfortunately consumer goods is the one which is getting cheaper and huge variety due to competition and globalisation. 

 

Hmm one problem could be electricity is relatively cheap in China, so the need to innovate there is much lower. I don't think you can save much there using a Tesla vs other chinese brands, other than the trouble to charge more often.

It's like people actually still buy like japanese NA 2.5L in MY cos its deemed more reliable and petrol is "cheap".
Whereas even in USA, almost 70% or more are choosing the hybrid options.

Tesla also doesn't file patents, so their battery management software side unless it's hacked, less likely to be reverse engineered. 

Edited September 24 by Lala81

[Theoldjaffa]

On 9/24/2025 at 8:54 AM, Lala81 said:

When cost of living/inflation hits everyone except the top 5-10% where their rise in assets valuation outpaces that of inflation. 

For the middle class like myself, I think everyone is more careful about discrete spending over the last few years. It's not like overall spending has dropped, but certainly discretionary spending has changed. Maybe 10 years ago, people will say i want to buy an European marque 1 day. Now they would say Tesla is already stretch. BYD is reasonable.

VFM or what the taiwanese call CP tends to factor more and more when the middle class "feels" more stretched. 
I honestly can't see a reason to buy a Western product anymore unless it's really so much more superior. Like Apple/Tesla still has it for now. But really not many. 

 

I will still eat my western food at hawker centre cos Chinese no haf western product 

[Lala81]

On 9/24/2025 at 11:23 AM, Theoldjaffa said:

I will still eat my western food at hawker centre cos Chinese no haf western product 

weather so warm. Sometimes even if food quality is there, also no appetite when eating in some HC or coffeeshops.

Edited September 24 by Lala81

[Sturtles]

On 9/24/2025 at 11:27 AM, Lala81 said:

weather so warm. Sometimes even if food quality is there, also no appetite when eating in some HC or coffeeshops.

Can’t imagine the hawkers’ daily sweat load. Must be a few buckets full

MPs should write to NEA on improving their work environment conditions

Improving customer’s comfort will be a nice byproduct 

Some kind of energy absorption from ambient heating for tap water, used for dishwashing and maybe boiling would be good.

This has initial installation cost, but since it’s passive, it has very minimal maintenance costs and if good quality materials are used, it can last for decades 

 

 

[Atachi]

On 9/24/2025 at 11:23 AM, Theoldjaffa said:

I will still eat my western food at hawker centre cos Chinese no haf western product 

Western Hawker also ain't cheap $10+ above. Top-up abit more can eat lunch set in a restaurant 😀

[Lala81]

On 9/26/2025 at 10:05 AM, Atachi said:

Western Hawker also ain't cheap $10+ above. Top-up abit more can eat lunch set in a restaurant 😀

The one I eat is around 8-9 dollars. Anything above, need to have air-con bah.

 

[Theoldjaffa]

On 9/26/2025 at 10:05 AM, Atachi said:

Western Hawker also ain't cheap $10+ above. Top-up abit more can eat lunch set in a restaurant 😀

Mehdonner still cheaper. $5 got burger, fries and kopi o kosong