Query on Genting Package RM3,000 chip/slot credit

[Nicholasl]

Thanks everyone for the response, and the bright ideas.

- of course if ppl lose RM3,000 cannot blame these reply/ideas.

- it have to be individual responsibility and decision.

- I like especially those bright ideas [50% red/big, 50% black/small]. I thot only Steven Chow movies will have this action.

- will observe when over there on 18~21 Nov'2009.

- have to make sure the package "worth it", lose RM3,000 would be very painful for me personally.

 

 

Do note that this move is considered "illegal" in casino in some countries.

 

Not sure abt genting.

[Hiphiphoray]

Do note that this move is considered "illegal" in casino in some countries.

 

Not sure abt genting.

 

Lets say u place progressive random betting on "so call 49/49 bets" like red/back/odd/even/1-18/19-36 on roulette.

 

Aiming to get a constant profit every round.

 

Say if first 5 rounds losing....u keep on betting progressively 100, 300, 700, 1500, 3100, 6300(etc etc) so that at any particular 1st 5 round when u do win, the bet goes back to starting bet of 100. Aiming to get a profit for 100 each round.

 

Will both the physical roulette dealers type or the machine type ban this system betting ? Is this illegal playing alone or even when together with a friend ?

 

 

 

 

[Luckcent]

You can play this type on those machine operate roulette and no one cares how much you win/loose.

[Luckcent]

Also whether on table or machine, a limit is set max. betting.

[Hiphiphoray]

Hmmm... then set yr constant winning at just RM10 lor. Sure got lots of allownace for more losing steak.

 

For RM10, up to 10 progressive bets is RM10230. Can a person guess wrongly on 49/49 bets 10 times in a row ????????

[Luckcent]

for machine betting on roulette.....red/balck max. is RM$500. on a $5 per chip table. Bigger bets table will be more I think.

[Darryn]

Lets say u place progressive random betting on "so call 49/49 bets" like red/back/odd/even/1-18/19-36 on roulette.

 

Aiming to get a constant profit every round.

 

Say if first 5 rounds losing....u keep on betting progressively 100, 300, 700, 1500, 3100, 6300(etc etc) so that at any particular 1st 5 round when u do win, the bet goes back to starting bet of 100. Aiming to get a profit for 100 each round.

 

Will both the physical roulette dealers type or the machine type ban this system betting ? Is this illegal playing alone or even when together with a friend ?

 

You can VERY quickly lose a lot of money like this.

 

When I was dealing (rules vary casino to casino ok?) minimum on even / odd / high / low / red / black was $5.00 while max was $100 (for $10 min, max was $200).

 

If start at $5 within a run of 5 spins you can no longer double ($5, $10, $20, $40, $80) by the end of the run you are down by $155 and can no longer double the bet to make the money back (remember max is $100)

 

Odds of getting five spins in a row the same colour? = 0.02724 or 2.7% ( (18/37)^5)

 

A good roulette dealer will be doing around 30 spins an hour.

 

When I was dealing AT LEAST once per day I would see a run of 5 such results in a row (we had boards that showed the last 20 spins)...I have also personally done at least 9 spins the same colour before

 

Then you have to factor in that if the result is zero you lose - and this will happen rougly 3 spins in 100 (or if a double zero wheel is in use 6 out of 100)

 

In roulette, (based on my experience) there are only three strategies the casino will not let you employ

1. Betting over the maximum

2. Mechancial prediction aids

3. Adding bets after the ball has landed.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Darryn

[Darryn]

What you have to remember for games of chance (like roulette) is that the spins are independent - meaning that the outcome of one game has no effect on the outcome of the next.

 

Most people forget this. They know that in the LONG TERM red will come up the same number of times as black. But the long term (statistically speaking) is normally expressed in thousands of spins - and you lose your bankroll before you even approach this. Within 100 spins it would not be uncommon for either red or black to come up 60+ times. So if you see a run of 6 or 7 reds, and bet black because "there should be a black to balance the red" you are deluding yourself - what comes before does not affect what comes next*

 

* This does not apply to blackjack or baccarat where the odds DO change depending on what cards have been dealt.

[Hiphiphoray]

Hmmm.....

 

I think the max limit for genting on roulette 49/49 odds is RM5000 ?

 

Say we fix this system bet at intial RM100 to a max of 5 losing rounds before calling it quits. The max to lose overall will be RM5700 or abt $2375/-

 

Max bet on the table on round 5 will be RM3100. Well below the house limit.

 

My question is: will the casino ban anyone for doing this ? Say this player is on a winning steak(purely on his own luck) for say 3hrs on this very system ? Will they let that player continue or kick him out within an hour or so ?

 

Dont get me wrong, im not a hardcore gambler, its just that when i see a typical roulette gamblers placing bets on almost the entire roulette table, i was thinking, there must be a better way to gamble or entertain yourself. How can they possibly win by placing bets blindly and randomly? Looks suicidal to me.

[Darryn]

Hmmm.....

 

I think the max limit for genting on roulette 49/49 odds is RM5000 ?

 

Say we fix this system bet at intial RM100 to a max of 5 losing rounds before calling it quits. The max to lose overall will be RM5700 or abt $2375/-

 

Max bet on the table on round 5 will be RM3100. Well below the house limit.

 

My question is: will the casino ban anyone for doing this ? Say this player is on a winning steak(purely on his own luck) for say 3hrs on this very system ? Will they let that player continue or kick him out within an hour or so ?

 

Dont get me wrong, im not a hardcore gambler, its just that when i see a typical roulette gamblers placing bets on almost the entire roulette table, i was thinking, there must be a better way to gamble or entertain yourself. How can they possibly win by placing bets blindly and randomly? Looks suicidal to me.

 

Again I don't know the rules at Genting.

 

When I was dealing for an "outside" bet (those 50/50 one) the max was 20 times the min.

 

For the straight ups the max was 5 times the min.

 

For the rest (1st 12, columns, corners etc it varied)

 

Those that bet "all around the table" are either just putting money on what feels lucky OR playing some form of "sections".

Next time you watch them, take note of where the numbers are on the wheel...(link here http://www.roulettebonuscode.com/images/roulette-wheel.gif)

 

Someone might think that number 8 is going to come up, so they will also place bets on 10, 11, 20 and 30 (two numbers either side of 8) on the betting layout this will look random, if you look at where the numbers are on the wheel it makes sense. Of course - none of this means that some people are just randomly spreading chips about the table for the fun of it :)

 

 

There are three bets that allow a gambler to play "sections" of the wheel - that have been designed to maximise chance. These three are "orphans" "neighbours" and "tiers" (there are variations) These three "sections" play a particular "pie" of the wheel (eg - 0 and then five numbers either side)

 

 

The maximum also normally applied to individual bets, so by playing the options you could bet more -

 

Eg: while the "straight up" maximum might be $5, you were allowed to place another bet on the split (i.e betting two numbers) and then more again on the row, column, corner etc.

 

 

[Hiphiphoray]

Oh icic......sections or tier betting, i still think its suicidal for any person to do that.

 

Anyway, the house still wins on the long run, thats for sure.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

[Darryn]

There have been two documented cases of people winning big money this way though - one was when a team of gamblers was using a laser and radio technology to predict which section of the wheel the ball would land (calculating wheel speed, ball speed etc) and the second was when one guy TOTALLY LEGITIMATELY observed thousands of spins of a roulette table and was able to identify one that was out of balance, thereby introducing a statistical advantage to a certain section of the wheel. He played these numbers and won serious money.

 

The casino could not work it out for a LONG time, eventually they replaced the wheel and his advantage was lost.

 

When I was dealing, the wheels were all balanced weekly.

[Pchmj]

Hmmm.....

 

I think the max limit for genting on roulette 49/49 odds is RM5000 ?

 

Say we fix this system bet at intial RM100 to a max of 5 losing rounds before calling it quits. The max to lose overall will be RM5700 or abt $2375/-

 

Max bet on the table on round 5 will be RM3100. Well below the house limit.

 

My question is: will the casino ban anyone for doing this ? Say this player is on a winning steak(purely on his own luck) for say 3hrs on this very system ? Will they let that player continue or kick him out within an hour or so ?

 

Dont get me wrong, im not a hardcore gambler, its just that when i see a typical roulette gamblers placing bets on almost the entire roulette table, i was thinking, there must be a better way to gamble or entertain yourself. How can they possibly win by placing bets blindly and randomly? Looks suicidal to me.

 

I'm also puzzled why they bet almost entire table. I'm a roulette lover and will only bet a section of the wheel, all numbers position already in my head. Lose slow but win fast.

 

Some really is anyhow bet, no system or sections of wheel, I see many 'lobangs' here and there. Seriously very rare I see these people win. They can get paid every round but is losing or getting back cost, if win is only a little, easily lose back in the next round. No logic to me.

[Hiphiphoray]

I'm also puzzled why they bet almost entire table. I'm a roulette lover and will only bet a section of the wheel, all numbers position already in my head. Lose slow but win fast.

 

Some really is anyhow bet, no system or sections of wheel, I see many 'lobangs' here and there. Seriously very rare I see these people win. They can get paid every round but is losing or getting back cost, if win is only a little, easily lose back in the next round. No logic to me.

 

Looks complicated to me. I'll rather play the simple even odds just for fun.

 

I prefer walking around observing ppl betting.

 

 

[Darryn]

I like to watch also - after working in a casino would not really play....

Maybe blackjack where I can attempt to count cards, or if VERY quiet and only got like 4 or 5 players on one table

 

[Hiphiphoray]

I like to watch also - after working in a casino would not really play....

Maybe blackjack where I can attempt to count cards, or if VERY quiet and only got like 4 or 5 players on one table

 

Which country u work as a dealer b4 ? i only been to genting casino and the other one crowns at melbourne. And i think once on the cruise.

 

Does ang mo gamble as furious as asians ? Cos @ Crowns, the asians gamblers far outnumber the angmo there.....by quite a big ratio too.

 

Are asians more additive to gambling than angmos ?

Edited November 19, 2009 by Hiphiphoray

[Darryn]

Which country u work as a dealer b4 ? i only been to genting casino and the other one crowns at melbourne. And i think once on the cruise.

 

Does ang mo gamble as furious as asians ? Cos @ Crowns, the asians gamblers far outnumber the angmo there.....by quite a big ratio too.

 

Are asians more additive to gambling than angmos ?

 

I worked at Christchurch Casino for about two years (circa 1997 - 1999)

 

As to who gambles more? I really not very well qualified to answer. A good proportion of our most prolific gamblers were Asian, BUT this could have been a result of a big and wealthy asian community present that could afford to gamble, the relative lack of gambling in places like China, Thailand etc and many other reasons. New Zealand was a very popular holiday spot for Asia, and given that Christchurch was a small casino, with an upmarket image the money spent there bought a lot more at other places (eg - $5k across the table in a night would qualify you as a high roller - compare that to vegas where $5k a night wouldn't even be noticed, before you even start looking at exchange rates). i.e - What I am saying is that Christchurch Casino would be to Vegas what Malaysia is to Singapore - your money buys you a heck of a lot more, with the added advantage that NZ is a very tolerant society and being there was very safe

 

I believe that Australians gamble more as a % of income than anyone else (but would need to go find the article again now to confirm)

 

I also believe that SG govt has (National Council for Prevention of Gambling) some studies that show that Chinese have a more permissive attitude to gambling that other races in Singapore (although again this is from memory, would need to find the actual article again)

 

Sorry should also add...the "Ang Mo" population of Australia is what...40 mill? What is the population of "Asia"? - and with Australia being so close to these areas many many people go there -so even if the proportion of Asian gamblers is smaller, the numbers will be greater

Edited November 19, 2009 by Darryn

[Pchmj]

Looks complicated to me. I'll rather play the simple even odds just for fun.

 

I prefer walking around observing ppl betting.

 

When I'm legal age to enter casino, I find roulette very complicated too. But after learning, fell in love with it. My first attempt to really play, change colour chips and sit down, win quite a bit. $200 become $1k+. From then on, that's it, roulette all the way! Overall out of 5-6 visits still manage a win.

 

Observing people is also a fun thing, some u know they lose until no money, use ONE $5 or $10 note change chip play. Some play roulette, fill about half table with $100 or even $500 chips.