Van rear-ended in Lane 1

[Joseph22]

no one say they are right lah. dont keep harping on the point where everyone agree on and ignore the issue ppl are talking about.

 

we are talking about commerical vehicle dont drag other car in when ppl agree too that they speed they wrong.

 

It doesn't just take a commercial vehicles to longer to brake. It takes a heavier vehicle longer to brake if braking power is identical. Apparently, you are the one missing (deliberately maybe) something. I just said there's nothing wrong with the law or speed regulations set by authorities.

 

In general, a commercial vehicle (LGV, Pickup) if carrying load, will be heavier. That's why for safety purposes, the speed have to be regulated. But then, like I say, if a commercial vehicle travels at 80-90 is wrong, the same principle applies to sedan car traveling at 100-110. It's also wrong. Why when a commercial vehicles traveling faster than normal receives more criticism than the rest?

Because lower class or what? Can afford car more dai sai or what? I don't know, but this is the impression a lot of forummers portray. It feels like they are the ones who will feels that maids shouldn't use condo pools, PRCs are uncouth, smokers are polluting the world, wear shorts cannot drive BMWs, all WRX drivers are ah bengs. In short, they stereotyped or looked down on others.

 

If most of the comments are targetted at the driver who caused the accidents and not the type of vehicle they drive, there will be no mentioning of discrimination on my part.

And I emphasize again, I don't feel there's anything worng with the traffic rules and laws, just people here.

 

[Nzy]

Most probably because if commercial vehicles carry a heavy load and get into an accident it will be more serious? And for those that say that some people use commercial vehicle as family car then they have no choice cuz its alot harder for the TP to check who is using their commercial vehicle to really carry goods and who use it as a car so they have to set the limit according to if they are fully loaded right?

[Civic6228]

Most probably because if commercial vehicles carry a heavy load and get into an accident it will be more serious? And for those that say that some people use commercial vehicle as family car then they have no choice cuz its alot harder for the TP to check who is using their commercial vehicle to really carry goods and who use it as a car so they have to set the limit according to if they are fully loaded right?

 

http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sg...cp_traffic.html

 

 

Just wondering what speed is the container truck and car travelling at ?

[Keira]

It doesn't just take a commercial vehicles to longer to brake. It takes a heavier vehicle longer to brake if braking power is identical. Apparently, you are the one missing (deliberately maybe) something. I just said there's nothing wrong with the law or speed regulations set by authorities.

 

In general, a commercial vehicle (LGV, Pickup) if carrying load, will be heavier. That's why for safety purposes, the speed have to be regulated. But then, like I say, if a commercial vehicle travels at 80-90 is wrong, the same principle applies to sedan car traveling at 100-110. It's also wrong. Why when a commercial vehicles traveling faster than normal receives more criticism than the rest?

Because lower class or what? Can afford car more dai sai or what? I don't know, but this is the impression a lot of forummers portray. It feels like they are the ones who will feels that maids shouldn't use condo pools, female drivers don't know how to drive, smokers are polluting the world, wear shorts cannot drive BMWs, all WRX drivers are ah bengs. In short, they stereotyped or looked down on others.

 

If most of the comments are targetted at the driver who caused the accidents and not the type of vehicle they drive, there will be no mentioning of discrimination on my part.

And I emphasize again, I don't feel there's anything worng with the traffic rules and laws, just people here.

 

wait till they paid their car in full cash then talk abt dai sai lah, now their car is still BELONG to the banks

[Flykite]

Most probably because if commercial vehicles carry a heavy load and get into an accident it will be more serious? And for those that say that some people use commercial vehicle as family car then they have no choice cuz its alot harder for the TP to check who is using their commercial vehicle to really carry goods and who use it as a car so they have to set the limit according to if they are fully loaded right?

 

stanong11 i understand your pts and admire your efforts... but i gave up "discussing" on this issue in mcf because there are so many car drivers that think they are way above other drivers. suggest you do the same and just stick to driving safely.

 

 

 

which is more serious?

 

a LGV carrying load with 1 driver accident at 90km/h

 

or

 

a MPV with 1 driver + 6 passengers accident at 110km/h

 

one dead or 7 dead is more serious?

if dead still ok, worse off is half dead or 3/4 dead or TPD...

 

 

 

[Civic6228]

Was caught in a traffic jam on the way earlier on the way home. The accident happen on PIE towards Jurong near the slip road to Steven Road. The accident involve 1 truck, 2 cars and a couple of motorbikes. The truck ended up in Lane 1 of the expressway and one of the car ended up facing against the direction in front of the truck.

 

Drive carefully please .... this is a blind spot along PIE and accident always happens.

[Nzy]

stanong11 i understand your pts and admire your efforts... but i gave up "discussing" on this issue in mcf because there are so many car drivers that think they are way above other drivers. suggest you do the same and just stick to driving safely.

 

 

 

which is more serious?

 

a LGV carrying load with 1 driver accident at 90km/h

 

or

 

a MPV with 1 driver + 6 passengers accident at 110km/h

 

one dead or 7 dead is more serious?

if dead still ok, worse off is half dead or 3/4 dead or TPD...

 

Its not about when there is an accident which one has more dead people. Its about the chances of getting into an accident. A fully loaded LGV is definitely more prone to get into an accident at higher speeds as compared to sedans. When the law was created I don't think got many mpvs around so they didn't consider? Not arguing. Its just my opinion. And I definitely do not look down on LGV as my family has a few LGV for our business and sometimes I drive them instead of the cars.

 

What about a fully loaded speeding LGV rear ending a MPV with 1 driver + 6 passengers cuz his stopping distance is longer with full load? The LGV stopping distance might be as good as a sedan's when there is no load but once there is a load it takes longer to stop. The law is created probably with the assumption that the LGV will always be used for carrying goods and therefore has to have a lower speed limit to prevent accidents.

Edited April 1, 2011 by Nzy

[Osiris]

That's why I say discrimination is strong here, especially in your case.

 

I only see danger in ALL speeding vehicles, doesn't matter what types of vehicles you drive.

basic science

Force = mass x speed.

 

assuming the weight is correct, and speed is constant and 50kmh on impact.

u do the maths.

 

sedan = 1000kg x 50kmh

van=1500kg x 50kmh

bus= 4000kg x 50kmh

trailer= 6000kg x 50kmh

 

which one has bigger force on impact?

[Mllcg]

basic science

Force = mass x speed.

 

assuming the weight is correct, and speed is constant and 50kmh on impact.

u do the maths.

 

sedan = 1000kg x 50kmh

van=1500kg x 50kmh

bus= 4000kg x 50kmh

trailer= 6000kg x 50kmh

 

which one has bigger force on impact?

 

but then,

 

sedan sits 4.

 

trailer at most 2.

 

which one has a higher loss of life in an accident?

[Kwchan]

basic science

Force = mass x speed.

 

assuming the weight is correct, and speed is constant and 50kmh on impact.

u do the maths.

 

sedan = 1000kg x 50kmh

van=1500kg x 50kmh

bus= 4000kg x 50kmh

trailer= 6000kg x 50kmh

 

which one has bigger force on impact?

 

majority of the car and van are of the same weight lah, there are many small van that are lighter than a 1.6L sedan

 

if you look at maximum laden weight, van and car also about the same weight

 

but the different is that rather than 400kg of cargo, it carries 5 adults that weight 400kg

 

which is more dangerous in that case?

 

carry 400kg of cargo or carry 5 lives

[Osiris]

but then,

 

sedan sits 4.

 

trailer at most 2.

 

which one has a higher loss of life in an accident?

my bad, ceteris paribus

let's keep the variable as mass only, if u introduce variable, then not apple to apple. let's assume each vehicle only 1 driver, 1 pax. then who likely suffer more damage @50kmh? if all types hit a stationary mpv carrying 7.

 

but yes, more person more damage

[Osiris]

majority of the car and van are of the same weight lah, there are many small van that are lighter than a 1.6L sedan

 

if you look at maximum laden weight, van and car also about the same weight

 

but the different is that rather than 400kg of cargo, it carries 5 adults that weight 400kg

 

which is more dangerous in that case?

 

carry 400kg of cargo or carry 5 lives

 

common cars.

 

Kerb weight

 

Hiace

http://www.toyotasingapore.com.sg/cars/new...e/fullspecs.asp

1760-1810

 

Altis

http://www.toyotasingapore.com.sg/cars/new...a/fullspecs.asp

1195 - 1255

 

Camry

http://www.toyotasingapore.com.sg/cars/new...a/fullspecs.asp

1470 - 1530

[Mllcg]

my bad, ceteris paribus

let's keep the variable as mass only, if u introduce variable, then not apple to apple. let's assume each vehicle only 1 driver, 1 pax. then who likely suffer more damage @50kmh? if all types hit a stationary mpv carrying 7.

 

but yes, more person more damage

 

and a heavier car will absorb more impact than a small car.

 

so u get a big car vs a small car. see which one absorbs more impact before hitting you.

[Mllcg]

majority of the car and van are of the same weight lah, there are many small van that are lighter than a 1.6L sedan

 

if you look at maximum laden weight, van and car also about the same weight

 

but the different is that rather than 400kg of cargo, it carries 5 adults that weight 400kg

 

which is more dangerous in that case?

 

carry 400kg of cargo or carry 5 lives

 

but the problem is now, goods vehicles are meant for goods.

 

even if u fit seats, and still using G plate, that same vehicle will have a speed limit of 70.

 

only if u have an S plate van then u can 90.

 

so what is going on now is they are assuming all vans carry goods. so just fix all at 70.

 

so if u want to get a van that can run, use an S plate.

[Darryn]

Well I would certainly back the handling and safety of a Vito G plate against the same of a Suzuki APV any day of the week.

[I_RIDE_DEEP]

basic science

Force = mass x speed.

 

I am afraid your "basic science" is quite poor. Force = mass x acceleration/deceleration.....it is not Force = mass x speed.

 

But still, I give you some points for generally getting it somewhat right.

Edited June 21, 2011 by I_RIDE_DEEP

[Osiris]

I am afraid your "basic science" is quite poor. Force = mass x acceleration/deceleration.....it is not Force = mass x speed.

 

But still, I give you some points for generally getting it somewhat right.

Thanks teach. It is acceleration.

[Osiris]

Agreed in general. Ehich is why larger veh pose more danger to others