Free Uni Places For Foreigners while Our Children Struggle

[Brendon1980]

to answer your specific questions:

nobody said "cant" its just a FACT that it would not be good for society if the asperations of our people cant be met. too many grads (in wrong fields) or in all fields means increasingly uncomptative labour costs, social tensions, increasing numbers of FW needed. your looking at it from whats best for individual not whats best for country. bit short and narrow sighted

Best for the country? What are your referring to as country? Short sighted aint it?

Am I looking at individual when your own people are leaving and you are not retaining them?

You did not look at my whole reply, so opening the doors to counter the migration? And yet at the other end we are promoting sense of belonging? Oxymoron?

 

 

of course not but again your perspective is a selfish one. we have to look at whats best for society and having too many overqualified people with too hgh expectations clearly isnt good.

??? So we are not expected to improve our standard of living and quality of life? You sound like converting us to the Ming dynasty where there is only emperor ruling. selfish and best for society? So we must remain stupid just because you coclude that is the best for society? Then I throw back the question of your definition of global competition you say. Oxymoron? Ironic?

 

 

that was in reply to another point that was raised

frankly, you never replied anything to my questions..

 

 

competition is a reality cant ask gov to protect us. not clever enough is it? if you dont think you need to worry about increasing global comp you must be living in a cave....

I have never ask govt to protect us from global competition, which part did I mentioned? Please read carefully. Don't conclude. Fair competition is what it is without taking out regards of locals. I think you should travel and look around at countries pros and cons before making judgement about what is global competition.

 

 

no i didnt. i merely stated good unis like oxford have a majority of foreign students. they dont SAVE or give prefferance to locals

?? You are missing the point here arent you? We are talking about scholarships and benefits. I am never afraid of welcoming foreign students to study and compete.

 

 

[Eugeng]

i insult because your post was made for the sole purpose of trying to make me look foolish

 

 

If you dont want to be kicked - dont try and kick

 

 

 

ok

 

63% of the post grads at oxford are foreigners and 14% of undergrads

 

 

happy now?

 

How does that compare to NTU?

 

 

 

Source:- http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/internation...ents/index.html

 

You think that it is to make you look foolish because you think that everyone is against you and want to make you look foolish.

 

So it not mention anything out of this percentage, how many are under scholarship by UK, just the number of international students.. did are they mostly paying for their own fee?? if it is so, then it is totally different from this discussion, Read the Thread title "FREE Uni Places For Foreigners while Our Children Struggle"

 

[Badder]

berndom

 

please sort out your format

Edited October 27, 2011 by Badder

[Scion]

at ntu its more like 1%

 

whats the problem?

 

 

1%?

are you still living in the 70s?

 

NTU is not nicknamed ATU now for nothing

[Badder]

You think that it is to make you look foolish because you think that everyone is against you and want to make you look foolish.

 

So it not mention anything out of this percentage, how many are under scholarship by UK, just the number of international students.. did are they mostly paying for their own fee?? if it is so, then it is totally different from this discussion, Read the Thread title "FREE Uni Places For Foreigners while Our Children Struggle"

 

please post where i said anything about the % of these students that had scholarships or shut the F_k up

 

your asking for something i never said

 

[Eugeng]

and if you look on the right hand side of the oxford uni webpage what do you see?

 

a link to

 

"Funding Search for International Students"

 

 

 

this is not an NTU issue. most/all unis offer funding to deserving foreign students - any deserving student

 

 

This is just to say funding is available, still did not mention how many are accepted with scholarship, still no stats

[Kb27]

PAP gahmen is pro-business and pro-foreigners.

If you don't fall into these categories, you've fallen through the cracks.

Very big cracks at that.

[Eugeng]

please post where i said anything about the % of these students that had scholarships or shut the F_k up

 

your asking for something i never said

 

You are not following the discussion of the thread so you shld shut the F up

 

[Axela72]

3yrs bond is NOTHING to these foreign students.. i know of instances where these people jump their bond, and the govt can do sh*t about it..

 

I know many people, some of who are my peers, who are unable to get places in NUS/NTU ENGINEERING course and they have to go to OZ, UK, US for engineering course.. Why can't NUS/NTU prioritise their places for local students first?

 

3yrs bond with free study loan and drawing full working salary for FT vs ~2.5yrs bond on NS with only allowance for local male and paid ownself tution fee. Which one is better?

[Badder]

This is just to say funding is available, still did not mention how many are accepted with scholarship, still no stats

 

 

 

lol - your not too smart are you

 

[Badder]

You are not following the discussion of the thread so you shld shut the F up

 

 

you asked me for a stat on something i never said

 

 

you can twist and turn all you want - but the fact is:-

 

 

you asked me for a stat on something i never said

 

 

if you want this stats so much get off your lazy a-- and search for it - why ask me?

 

 

[Badder]

PAP gahmen is pro-business and pro-foreigners.

If you don't fall into these categories, you've fallen through the cracks.

Very big cracks at that.

 

 

if you think gov is pro -foreigners, why do you think that is?

 

i mean they must have a reason right?

 

 

 

im genuinely interested in your answer

 

 

[CKP]

100% correct

 

and 28th ranking for NTU is one heck of an achievement

 

Part of what makes a uni attractive (and ergo successful) is the kind of dynamism you get from having many foreign students. Its not a coincidence that the top unis have a lot of them. They can attract the best local and overseas talent because they are the best, they are the best because they can attract the best local and overseas talent

 

Ranking for NTU is not 28th. It is NUS that is 28th in the rankings

 

People will question your credibility further after you shown you can't read data properly.

 

[Badder]

Ranking for NTU is not 28th. It is NUS that is 28th in the rankings

 

People will question your credibility further after you shown you can't read data properly.

 

 

opps my mistake

 

 

lol - big woopie

 

 

maybe NTU is struggling to raise its standings to that of NUS because it has to many locals and not got enough foreign students lol :D no wonder they are giving scholarships to then then

Edited October 27, 2011 by Badder

[CKP]

i think its more that there arent enough local students and those that we have dont want to study these courses and do these jobs

 

 

The attracting of overseas students and locking them in with contracts to work here after their courses is not just a singapore thing it happens all over the world when a country has labour shortages in certain fields. Go to the UK and you will see 99% of medical students are on a scholarship from India - same reason

 

 

"Go to the UK and you will see 99% of medical students are on a scholarship from India ".

 

This line you probably you cannot back this up, not only because you stated 99%, but also because you failed to specify the exact university.

 

 

What a conincidence I was checking the international student enrolements in foreign universities yesterday.

 

Even if your 99% claim is true, it is not representative of the most of the UK, and the US/AU universities as well.

 

[Badder]

"Go to the UK and you will see 99% of medical students are on a scholarship from India ".

 

This line you probably you cannot back this up, not only because you stated 99%, but also because you failed to specify the exact university.

 

 

What a conincidence I was checking the international student enrolements in foreign universities yesterday.

 

Even if your 99% claim is true, it is not representative of the most of the UK, and the US/AU universities as well.

 

 

 

pedantic much.

 

the point is not the exact number but the appreciation that some degree courses (like nursing and medical especialy) in the UK have a very large ratio of FT to local

 

it was just to illustrate that our unis are not alone in attracting and giving places to FT.

 

 

 

[Kezg1]

My friend, your points are noted. But our point is: Why then we have to give grants to them? They come lor, pay themselves mah.

 

Here, son of the soil has to be screened chu chong 18 dai just to make sure that he is really realy broke to get some grants. That is the issue, if you still cannot see.

 

 

 

Son of soil take loan from bank or financial institn. have to pay back after graduation, certain time frame...BUT foreigner after graduate only need to work with a company here( they are guaranteed of a job) for between 3 to 6 years then they can kaput to other countries taking us as a Stepping rock.... ...So you know who are the ONE that have created these disadvantage scenario.

 

[Wizzz_wizzz]

the concern is as we are becoming more affluent and our expectations rise we will end up with a workforce where everyone has a degree. that's not a good thing for society. we need local people at all levels. we dont want to have degree holders sweeping the streets they wont be happy. and we dont want to have all locals degree holders and all non degree jobs done by FW.....we would just have too many FW here then. There needs to be a balance and thats what the gov is obviously trying to manage

 

Well said. I totally agree that there has to be a balance, with local ppl at all levels, hence the "quota" or "university vacancies" for locals. But, esp. for locals who narrowly miss the entry criteria, they will be unhappy when scholarships were given to foreigners. And one of the explaination was that we need talented overseas students into our universities, while it is well known that many who paid from their own pockets to purse their degrees overseas are doing very well.