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Nzy

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Which SOP breached?

  • Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.

Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.

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Angcheek

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A breach of SOP.. resulted in the loss of 2 young lives ... sad :(

 

pointing finger .............   <_< All "his" fault , not SMRT fault . 

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Lala81

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Did he become a citizen after Singapore independent or when Singapore independent?

From your extract. Look like there is a bleach of protocol by station master.

 

Hmm it seems they were given authorisation to walk on the maintenance path. Then they are supposed to notify the station when they step onto the track, but no such comms was given?

That's my interpretation. So not sure if they tried but no comms, or the team on the maintenance path never signal the station.

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Atonchia

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Accidents can happen anytime anywhere in construction sites and on roads too - and of late trending is taking Selfies too . the tube in London is 150 years old so also is the subway in NY too over 100 years old and the HK MTR is slightly older than ours - it's a learning process

 

Yes accidents does happen. It's a very expensive lesson paid by the lives of 2 young man.

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Coltplussport

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  • Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.
Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.
this is getting confusing. So they enter the track to start work or just to cross over to the other side?

 

If only crossing over, isn't it easy to see a train approaching.

 

Why only the trainee on track that got hit ? They are young and abled body.

 

Yesterday news said they are still walking on the walkway towards the warning signal area.

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Kusje

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Hmm it seems they were given authorisation to walk on the maintenance path. Then they are supposed to notify the station when they step onto the track, but no such comms was given?

That's my interpretation. So not sure if they tried but no comms, or the team on the maintenance path never signal the station.

Could it not also be that the station didn't signal the train?

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Lala81

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Could it not also be that the station didn't signal the train?

 

I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path

this is getting confusing. So they enter the track to start work or just to cross over to the other side?

 

If only crossing over, isn't it easy to see a train approaching.

 

Why only the trainee on track that got hit ? They are young and abled body.

 

Yesterday news said they are still walking on the walkway towards the warning signal area.

 

Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?

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Wt_know

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what i can say is a very unfortunate accident caused by several contributing factors ... :TT_TT:

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Atonchia

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I think not the main reason that the SMRT system is designed 30 years ago lor. Cause many train system around the world even much older than our system, and yet they might not have so many issues and problems that SMRT is now facing.

 

It's the increase in the train capacity within a single line, so they have reached the max number of trains the system able to handle.

Thus any issue have to be resolved asap rather than till safe to inspect in the night. It created the situation and need to take immediate action. Carrying such inspection only increase the risk, however is not the actual cause of the incident.

 

Of course we would not know what's the actual cause only after the investigation, which is likely the main contributing factor.

Then hopefully SMRT will implement the right rule to eliminate anymore similar incidents.

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Kb27

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  • Before the team is allowed to step back on to the trackway, the following procedure must be carried out: The team must coordinate with the Signal unit at the station for oncoming trains to be brought to a stop and to ensure that no trains enter the affected sector. Our records do not show that this procedure took place.

Looks like they never coordinate with the signal unit before going on the tracks.

 

 

So that is the loophole.

 

Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?

 

Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.

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Joseph22

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So that is the loophole.

 

Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?

 

Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.

Maybe in the future the door can only be unlock by the station master after checking clear. Edited by Joseph22
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Tohto

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So that is the loophole.

 

Why do I think the team must be behind a locked door, until such coordination is approved and the door unlocked by someone else ?

 

Rushing to do a job, bypassing procedures should not be allowed to happen.

Because if no action taken. Train down.

Commuter will start to complain again...

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Kb27

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Because if no action taken. Train down.

Commuter will start to complain again...

 

That would be the wrong priority for customer complains to supersede safety.

 

Afterall, just implement a safer protocol doesn't cost much time.

It may be a frustration, but it save your life.

 

I'm sure there are more "loopholes" to be found.

 

It's whether they want to do it or not.

Or wait till the next deaths or serious injuries to occur.

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Count-Bracula

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I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path

 

 

Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?

Or they may have thought that station control would have followed sop and instructed train to head away from them towards the other track. I think the fact that the train was on auto-pilot is something not right when people are doing inspection along the track.

 

Hope they come up with what actually caused the accident and come clean with it.

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Ktglfc

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Or they may have thought that station control would have followed sop and instructed train to head away from them towards the other track. I think the fact that the train was on auto-pilot is something not right when people are doing inspection along the track.

 

Hope they come up with what actually caused the accident and come clean with it.

 

They will come clean one.. don't worry... and the management will always say the bottom didn't follow SOP ...

Management always no fault one, cos they won't have any chance to follow the SOP as they always sit inside office ...

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