Darryn Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 It is: a) Fair Charge PR more for education b) Fair to give PR less priority for school balloting c) Fair to charge PR more for healthcare d) Fair to charge PR more for (enforced upon them) lift upgrading e) Unfair for Malaysia to charge Singapore cars more in tolls than local cars (according to Cedric Foo of PTC) ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX5NC2 1st Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 My views: a) Fair Charge PR more for education - discrimination b) Fair to give PR less priority for school balloting - discrimination c) Fair to charge PR more for healthcare - discrimination d) Fair to charge PR more for (enforced upon them) lift upgrading - discrimination e) Unfair for Malaysia to charge Singapore cars more in tolls than local cars (according to Cedric Foo of PTC) - discrimination Why suck more from PRs/non-cititzens? The government really doesn't need to from a financial/economic perspective Is it a social issue and simply succumbing to the pressure of discontent from the locals? If so are such measures correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sosaria Twincharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 (edited) In my view, the Malaysian rule purposely targeted Singaporean-registered vehicles, so it is more unfair - compared to the local rules against PR, affects many nationalities, so it's not so bad. Anyway, that's politics... Furthermore, it's not as if PRs are treated unfairly now. They were actually given TOO many privileges in the past, and now the govt is only doing the rightful thing by trimming back slightly, to the level where it should be vis-a-vis citizens. Edited April 2, 2012 by Sosaria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipkee Twincharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 Actually IMHO it is fair. A - D is fair. Not discrimination cos citizens should be given the benefits. If there were adequate resources then maybe it is unfair but with so much competition, I think it is fair to charge PRs more. For charging Singapore cars more in toll, it is fair for malaysia to do so but it will provoke similar reactions from Singapore which will ultimately harm the relations on both sides. So it is more of an issue of diplomacy rather than fairness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 It is: a) Fair Charge PR more for education b) Fair to give PR less priority for school balloting c) Fair to charge PR more for healthcare d) Fair to charge PR more for (enforced upon them) lift upgrading e) Unfair for Malaysia to charge Singapore cars more in tolls than local cars (according to Cedric Foo of PTC) a) If PR think its unfair- Go home b) If PR think its unfair- Go home c) If PR think its unfair- Go home d) If PR think its unfair- Go home e) If SGthink its unfair- Stay home As simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Author Share April 2, 2012 Actually IMHO it is fair. A - D is fair. Not discrimination cos citizens should be given the benefits. If there were adequate resources then maybe it is unfair but with so much competition, I think it is fair to charge PRs more. For charging Singapore cars more in toll, it is fair for malaysia to do so but it will provoke similar reactions from Singapore which will ultimately harm the relations on both sides. So it is more of an issue of diplomacy rather than fairness. But why is it OK for Singapore to give more to citizens, but if Malaysia gives more to citizens will provoke a response? And remember here - in Singapore's case is PR, people who have made a commitment to Singapore, but for Malaysia is "just: visitors - who are there for a holiday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Author Share April 2, 2012 a) If PR think its unfair- Go home b) If PR think its unfair- Go home c) If PR think its unfair- Go home d) If PR think its unfair- Go home e) If SGthink its unfair- Stay home As simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alim 1st Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 Life is never Fair. PRs always have a choice to leave if you feel it is unfair. We also have a choice not to drive in to JB if we feel unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX5NC2 1st Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 Not discrimination cos citizens should be given the benefits. One could argue that at the end of the day both citizens and PR contribute to the economy so there's really no reason to favour one over the other. The government is probably conscious that such measures, without counter-measures in place, could possible cause a backfire to draw more FTs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiario 5th Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 its fair, malaysia can charge all they want for singapore cars going there, those who complain don't drive your car in lor. i think the biggest group of complainants must be those who live jb and drove daily to singapore for work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARTer 2nd Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 Actually IMHO it is fair. A - D is fair. Not discrimination cos citizens should be given the benefits. If there were adequate resources then maybe it is unfair but with so much competition, I think it is fair to charge PRs more. For charging Singapore cars more in toll, it is fair for malaysia to do so but it will provoke similar reactions from Singapore which will ultimately harm the relations on both sides. So it is more of an issue of diplomacy rather than fairness. The difference in allowing citizens to enjoy a greater shares of sgp's limited resources than that enjoyed by PRs is a fair and square way of recognizing what being a citizen stands for as well as the NS the male citizens have to go thru. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARTer 2nd Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 One could argue that at the end of the day both citizens and PR contribute to the economy so there's really no reason to favour one over the other. The government is probably conscious that such measures, without counter-measures in place, could possible cause a backfire to draw more FTs. Male citizens go thru 2yrs of NS, this alone entitles their families to enjoy more benefits than PRs..... If anyone disagrees with this point, please show cause.....n Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Author Share April 2, 2012 I was part of a course last week, whereby PR on the course to citizenship attended an "induction" What really struck me was the length of time most of the people had been in Singapore - They were all in the 8-12 year range, many had studied here and were now settling down with a family. As citizens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 I was part of a course last week, whereby PR on the course to citizenship attended an "induction" What really struck me was the length of time most of the people had been in Singapore - They were all in the 8-12 year range, many had studied here and were now settling down with a family. As citizens. remember the last time we are discussing on this issue?? now you see why there is a need to do that?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid Hypersonic April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 It is: a) Fair Charge PR more for education b) Fair to give PR less priority for school balloting c) Fair to charge PR more for healthcare d) Fair to charge PR more for (enforced upon them) lift upgrading e) Unfair for Malaysia to charge Singapore cars more in tolls than local cars (according to Cedric Foo of PTC) a-d is fair. In the past, a PR has about 99% of the privileges as a citizen. Why should it be like that? If a country cannot take care of her citizens, why should citizens remain here and contribute to the country? No comments on point e. Malaysia can do whatever they want. They have the sovereign rights to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackRabbit 3rd Gear April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 Male citizens go thru 2yrs of NS, this alone entitles their families to enjoy more benefits than PRs..... If anyone disagrees with this point, please show cause.....n To be precise: 2.5yrs + 13yrs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged April 2, 2012 Share April 2, 2012 (edited) To be precise: 2.5yrs + 13yrs NS now 2 years nia reservist cut to 10 cycle liao Edited April 2, 2012 by Joseph22 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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