ITB100HD feedback

[Lightsabre]

Feel free to share feedback and review on the products. But please refrain from having the discussion to get personal.

 

Cheers.

 

 

[Taz]

Any bros install the camera and enter military camps? I worked in military airbase ( not regulars) but not sure whether i can install the camera. Recently my car kena hit and run while it is in a carpark. damn pissed

 

I believe you can't bring it in. I don't think they allow you to record their tanks or aircrafts moving around... :p

[Shochong]

I believe you can't bring it in. I don't think they allow you to record their tanks or aircrafts moving around... :p

Actually it depends on which camp also, I used to drive in to my Reservist camps without problem. Lol

[Prtyrckk]

i feel screwed man. spending close to $400 for itb-100hd a week before the new promo is up and knowing that apple-ct sells it for far cheaper. oh well. problems of buying gadgets.

[Taz]

i feel screwed man. spending close to $400 for itb-100hd a week before the new promo is up and knowing that apple-ct sells it for far cheaper. oh well. problems of buying gadgets.

 

It's actually not about buying gadgets.

It's more like a collaborative efforts by all the forumers here to drive down the margins of dealers.

 

Let's keep this information-sharing spirit alive and everybody (hmm... almost everybody) will gain some savings.

 

 

 

[GemLeo]

ah thanks bro.. for the illustration on power magic.

 

thanks

[Taz]

Actually it depends on which camp also, I used to drive in to my Reservist camps without problem. Lol

 

Even thought some camps allow camera phones, video recording and image capturing devices are still prohibited in almost every camp that I visited.

 

I'm quite sure the MP/RP didn't see your video cam that's why can drive in.

 

For me, if need to drive in, i'll at least keep the camera out-of-sight.

No point challenging the law.

 

Haiz, when business person talk to you, you really have to take it with a pitch of salt.

[Shochong]

Even thought some camps allow camera phones, video recording and image capturing devices are still prohibited in almost every camp that I visited.

 

I'm quite sure the MP/RP didn't see your video cam that's why can drive in.

 

For me, if need to drive in, i'll at least keep the camera out-of-sight.

No point challenging the law.

 

Haiz, when business person talk to you, you really have to take it with a pitch of salt.

Correction. I used to work in DSTA in CMPB before doing this business. Been driving there for 2 years with camera daily, checked by mp. visiting different camps for projects is so frequent in my field of work . Some camps with higher clearance can't allow, some allows as long as your car is not in the red zone. Don't assume it is so for all camps throughout Singapore if yours doesn't allow. That's why I advise to check before going, not to challenge the law.

 

Of course you can simply remove the unit from its holder if you think it's too much of a hassle for u.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Shochong

[Taz]

Correction. I used to work in DSTA in CMPB before doing this business. Been driving there for 2 years with camera daily, checked by mp. visiting different camps for projects is so frequent in my field of work . Some camps with higher clearance can't allow, some allows as long as your car is not in the red zone. Don't assume it is so for all camps throughout Singapore if yours doesn't allow. That's why I advise to check before going, not to challenge the law.

 

Of course you can simply remove the unit from its holder if you think it's too much of a hassle for u.

 

If you managed to bring in the video camera, it doesn't mean that the Law allow that.

 

Check this:

A few points to highlight:

1) The green and red zones are part of a pilot project. The Law has not changed yet.

2) Quote from article "Only camera mobile phones are allowed in this pilot programme, which will last for six to nine months before a review is conducted. Tablets such as iPads, laptops and digital cameras are still prohibited."

 

SAF Pilot Project for camera phone

 

Here is what the Law states. You always see this when you logon to the NS portal. It says "no image capturing devices can be brought into SAF Camps and Training Areas unless authorised"

 

[Shochong]

If you managed to bring in the video camera, it doesn't mean that the Law allow that.

 

Check this:

A few points to highlight:

1) The green and red zones are part of a pilot project. The Law has not changed yet.

2) Quote from article "Only camera mobile phones are allowed in this pilot programme, which will last for six to nine months before a review is conducted. Tablets such as iPads, laptops and digital cameras are still prohibited."

 

SAF Pilot Project for camera phone

 

Here is what the Law states. You always see this when you logon to the NS portal. It says "no image capturing devices can be brought into SAF Camps and Training Areas unless authorised"

Sorry if I gave u the impression that I am debating with u.

I am just stating that I drove in to several camps with car checked at gantry with my dvr. So it's still possible to get into camps with car dvr installed and checked at gantry.

Useful piece of information though, however the general information don't necessary apply to all the individual camps at atom level.

Best is to confirm with the camps before driving in.

Peace out.

Cheers.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Shochong

[Taz]

Sorry if I gave u the impression that I am debating with u.

I am just stating that I drove in to several camps with car checked at gantry with my dvr. So it's still possible to get into camps with car dvr installed and checked at gantry.

Useful piece of information though, however the general information don't necessary apply to all the individual camps at atom level.

Best is to confirm with the camps before driving in.

Peace out.

Cheers.

 

The fact is you are debating with me wat.

 

Here is the flow of events:

1) One bro here said : His car was damaged in air base. Want to get one but not sure can bring into the camp.

2) I said : Better don't because even a slightly bigger camera phone also cannot bring in. And video recording is not allowed. (Logical thinking)

3) You said : You can and brought into a number of camps before

4) I replied : Mindef published article that described the pilot project only allow camera phone. Plus I pointed out exactly which Law said you cannot bring in the video cam. (Facts with supporting docs)

5) You still insist must confirm, and if need to, keep the camera in camp.

 

You seriously think that's your father's army huh?

Confirm what? A No is a No. By Law somemore.

Your argument is like some ppl who folded the parking coupons and got away with it. If Auntie Fatimah cannot detect that for a few times, does it means that legal?

 

To me, I was just concerned that our bro here spent unnecessary money to buy something that he cannot use for the purpose he mentioned.

And, most importantly, I don't profit from this!

Edited April 25, 2013 by Taz

[Yewheng]

The fact is you are debating with me wat.

 

Here is the flow of events:

1) One bro here said : His car was damaged in air base. Want to get one but not sure can bring into the camp.

2) I said : Better don't because even a slightly bigger camera phone also cannot bring in. And video recording is not allowed. (Logical thinking)

3) You said : You can and brought into a number of camps before

4) I replied : Mindef published article that described the pilot project only allow camera phone. Plus I pointed out exactly which Law said you cannot bring in the video cam. (Facts with supporting docs)

5) You still insist must confirm, and if need to, keep the camera in camp.

 

You seriously think that's your father's army huh?

Confirm what? A No is a No. Just like some ppl who folded the parking coupons and got away with it. Is that legal?

 

To me, I was just concerned that our bro here spent unnecessary money to buy something that he cannot use for the purpose he mentioned.

And, most importantly, I don't profit from this!

 

I understand your concern, but the thing is why make it so rigid? How much harm can a car drive into camp and park at parking lot with video cam?? Moreover the in car video cam can only work when it is attached to car battery or car socket, so take out is effectively useless, unless the person go modify the video cam. To me I feel that they should keep up with technology, if not it will always make people feel frustrated and may or may not affect them working in camp. Example, met into accident, no video recording because camp do not allow in car cam, than when accident claim come, one look knows it is inflated claim. What can the person do than? It just feels so sucky.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Yewheng

[Shochong]

The fact is you are debating with me wat.

 

Here is the flow of events:

1) One bro here said : His car was damaged in air base. Want to get one but not sure can bring into the camp.

2) I said : Better don't because even a slightly bigger camera phone also cannot bring in. And video recording is not allowed. (Logical thinking)

3) You said : You can and brought into a number of camps before

4) I replied : Mindef published article that described the pilot project only allow camera phone. Plus I pointed out exactly which Law said you cannot bring in the video cam. (Facts with supporting docs)

5) You still insist must confirm, and if need to, keep the camera in camp.

 

You seriously think that's your father's army huh?

Confirm what? A No is a No. By Law somemore.

Your argument is like some ppl who folded the parking coupons and got away with it. If Auntie Fatimah cannot detect that for a few times, does it means that legal?

 

To me, I was just concerned that our bro here spent unnecessary money to buy something that he cannot use for the purpose he mentioned.

And, most importantly, I don't profit from this!

Don't get too serious over the cyber world debating, I am definitely not wasting any time on this. Assuming based on purely cyber materials and your assumed logical thinking doesn't 100% strike out all the possibilities in the real world. Off the PC and chill out in reality.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Shochong

[Shochong]

I understand your concern, but the thing is why make it so rigid? How much harm can a car drive into camp and park at parking lot with video cam?? Moreover the in car video cam can only work when it is attached to car battery or car socket, so take out is effectively useless, unless the person go modify the video cam. To me I feel that they should keep up with technology, if not it will always make people feel frustrated and may or may not affect them working in camp. Example, met into accident, no video recording because camp do not allow in car cam, than when accident claim come, one look knows it is inflated claim. What can the person do than? It just feels so sucky.

Not all people are experienced enough to understand every camp has it's own directive. Chill bro.

 

Either those mp who checked my car camera and still let me enter the camp are following their camp directive or should be made to sign extras. Lol. :)

Edited April 25, 2013 by Shochong

[Taz]

I understand your concern, but the thing is why make it so rigid? How much harm can a car drive into camp and park at parking lot with video cam?? Moreover the in car video cam can only work when it is attached to car battery or car socket, so take out is effectively useless, unless the person go modify the video cam. To me I feel that they should keep up with technology, if not it will always make people feel frustrated and may or may not affect them working in camp. Example, met into accident, no video recording because camp do not allow in car cam, than when accident claim come, one look knows it is inflated claim. What can the person do than? It just feels so sucky.

 

It's the same with gay relationships, soliciting, pimping foreigners, even chewing gums.

You can argue with the Judge that they are willing parties, mutual benefits and no harm made etc. But, the result will always be the same.

We all saw that in the few high profile cases.

 

So, why bang yourself against the wall?

You can protest at Hong Lim park. But till the Law changed, it will be better to keep clear of it to avoid unnecessary trouble.

[Taz]

Don't get too serious over the cyber world debating, I am definitely not wasting any time on this. Assuming based on purely cyber materials and your assumed logical thinking doesn't 100% strike out all the possibilities in the real world. Off the PC and chill out in reality.

 

Cyber materials??? Those are from Mindef websites.

I'm not wasting my time on these unnecessary arguments also.

 

I believe I have made my point clear enough for other bros here to understand what exactly is the case here.

You are just hard-selling your products. I just can't take it and sound out warnings to our bros here. That's all.

[Shochong]

Cyber materials??? Those are from Mindef websites.

I'm not wasting my time on these unnecessary arguments also.

 

I believe I have made my point clear enough for other bros here to understand what exactly is the case here.

You are just hard-selling your products. I just can't take it and sound out warnings to our bros here. That's all.

Cyber simply means Internet related, websites are still cyber yes.

What I am implying is purely reading without real life experiences might not be what you assume in reality.

 

Firstly, I didn't know advising that a car camera can be brought into some camps is considered hardselling when no brands are indicated.

I am pretty sure that I did not mention something like "only itronics can be removed from it's holder" or "Buy itronics from me. "

He is still open to choices for the different brands and sources of his Dvr purchase.

 

Secondly, I did not say Every camps allowed, but some camps really do allow based on my experiences when working with mindef projects. So I did advise to check with his camp since a car camera would have been useful for his Case in future. Not asking him to challenge the law by banging his CO's table. Even if his camp does not allow it, the car camera can still protect him from hit and run cases in public places, or providing on road evidence against reckless drivers. Further more, the dvr can also be removed when entering camp. So I don't see how he is wasting his money buying a car camera when he already experience the consequences of not having one before.

 

Lastly, u sound very worked up bro, I hope everything is fine for u.

Cheers!

Edited April 25, 2013 by Shochong

[Yewheng]

Cyber simply means Internet related, websites are still cyber yes.

What I am implying is purely reading without real life experiences might not be what you assume in reality.

 

Firstly, I didn't know advising that a car camera can be brought into some camps is considered hardselling when no brands are indicated.

I am pretty sure that I did not mention something like "only itronics can be removed from it's holder" or "Buy itronics from me. "

He is still open to choices for the different brands and sources of his Dvr purchase.

 

Secondly, I did not say Every camps allowed, but some camps really do allow based on my experiences when working with mindef projects. So I did advise to check with his camp since a car camera would have been useful for his Case in future. Not asking him to challenge the law by banging his CO's table. Even if his camp does not allow it, the car camera can still protect him from hit and run cases in public places, or providing on road evidence against reckless drivers. Further more, the dvr can also be removed when entering camp. So I don't see how he is wasting his money buying a car camera when he already experience the consequences of not having one before.

 

Lastly, u sound very worked up bro, I hope everything is fine for u.

Cheers!

 

Yes should really feedback to mindef, as it not only benefit regulars, it also benefits ns-man reservist and contractors. Still I firmly feel that the benefits of in car camera will be of help to these people one day should they met an accident, hit and run or even video edvidance of other party hit and run, dangerous driving etc. Now some camp already allow camera phone in camp with the de-marked green zone and I am sure with many feedback to mindef I hope they are kind enough to understand it and not so rigid about everything.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Yewheng