Are they really in such a hurry ? <Part 2>

[Darryn]

I tend to give bikes a pass, so long as they don't make cars brake, I'll "let them off"

 

The most dangerous is those that zoom across pedestrian crossings, expecting cars to stop.

 

These guys stopped, no drivers had to react to them, so I think is ok.

 

[Chapter1_andy]

I think the confusion arises because

1) Bicycles - do they belong on the road

2) Bicycles - do they belong on the pavement?

 

I rem this news about a pedestrian being hit by a cyclist on the pavement.

Same concept - cyclists on the road - should they even be there?

My thinking is, if they are on the road, they should abide by traffic rules as well.

 

If *touchwood* someone hits them from the side, no claims (because based on traffic rules, they "ran" a red light).

 

Confusing

[SLSAMG88]

Its the same junction ... the same red light, again three cyclists beating the red light ...

 

The org. vid / thread is here: http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showto...2679245&hl=

So which would you prefer - having law abiding cyclists who stop at a red light - but in front of your car - light turns green - they accelerate like a snail, and you have no choice but to wait behind them, because at a traffic light, all vehicles are bunched up like the start of a F1 race - and you are unable to change lane to give them that 1.5m spacing.

 

Or....have these three guys who are comfortably ahead of the traffic - so when you catch up to them, they are already at 20-30km/h - but more importantly, about 100 or 200m down the road, giving you enough time to change lanes - or at least slow down to 20km/h vs stuck behind them at 2km/h.

 

 

[SLSAMG88]

I tend to give bikes a pass, so long as they don't make cars brake, I'll "let them off"

 

The most dangerous is those that zoom across pedestrian crossings, expecting cars to stop.

 

These guys stopped, no drivers had to react to them, so I think is ok.

Upvote!

[Darryn]

Cyclists belong on the road.

 

Where is there any confusion?

 

IF a cyclist finds it dangerous on the road, fine - ride on the footpath if you must, BUT - behave like you are walking on eggshells as the guest breaking the law you are. Don't expect everyone to get out of the way when you ring the bell or go zooming across pedestrian crossings.

[Bluemice]

So which would you prefer - having law abiding cyclists who stop at a red light - but in front of your car - light turns green - they accelerate like a snail, and you have no choice but to wait behind them, because at a traffic light, all vehicles are bunched up like the start of a F1 race - and you are unable to change lane to give them that 1.5m spacing.

 

seeing above, i recalled what my driving instructor told me a long time ago on a similar situation (except replace "cyclist" with "a very very slow moving car" ) :

"Just count it as your unlucky day to be behind him, If you are lucky, you will be in front !"

mice

[Chapter1_andy]

Cyclists belong on the road.

 

Where is there any confusion?

 

IF a cyclist finds it dangerous on the road, fine - ride on the footpath if you must, BUT - behave like you are walking on eggshells as the guest breaking the law you are. Don't expect everyone to get out of the way when you ring the bell or go zooming across pedestrian crossings.

 

That's correct - cyclists belong on the road BUT apparently where I stay, no.

There are bicycle paths built on both sides, and stretching all the way to the shipyard area.

Between the paths, there is an exit for roads and like a few posts above, the cyclists just zoom past without caring whether there's any cars - they cause hazard to both pedestrians and motorists.

 

Cyclists have right of way in pedestrian paths by ringing their bells and pedestrians have to siam.

So the correct answer is, motorists should beware of cyclists (and not the other way round) - unfortunately.

[Chapter1_andy]

seeing above, i recalled what my driving instructor told me a long time ago on a similar situation (except replace "cyclist" with "a very very slow moving car" ) :

"Just count it as your unlucky day to be behind him, If you are lucky, you will be in front !"

mice

 

Your driving instructor said this?

If I were his boss in the driving center, tomorrow he don't need to come to work le.

 

What the ?!?!

[Bluemice]

Your driving instructor said this?

If I were his boss in the driving center, tomorrow he don't need to come to work le.

 

What the ?!?!

 

some times i can be quite dense, so whats wrong with what he said ?

anyway, he is the boss himself, still is AFAIK ...

mice

[Darryn]

Cyclists have right of way in pedestrian paths by ringing their bells and pedestrians have to siam.

 

No they don't!!!

[Turbonetics]

does cyclist need to follow the traffic light?

anyway,i see the video that no near accident.

 

[Turbonetics]

seriously i also see nothing wrong in this video.

probably TS just pick on cyclists?

[Turbonetics]

I think the confusion arises because

1) Bicycles - do they belong on the road

2) Bicycles - do they belong on the pavement?

 

I rem this news about a pedestrian being hit by a cyclist on the pavement.

Same concept - cyclists on the road - should they even be there?

My thinking is, if they are on the road, they should abide by traffic rules as well.

 

If *touchwood* someone hits them from the side, no claims (because based on traffic rules, they "ran" a red light).

 

Confusing

 

 

but i think there is no law to said they must at the moment.

[macrosszero]

So which would you prefer - having law abiding cyclists who stop at a red light - but in front of your car - light turns green - they accelerate like a snail, and you have no choice but to wait behind them, because at a traffic light, all vehicles are bunched up like the start of a F1 race - and you are unable to change lane to give them that 1.5m spacing.

 

Or....have these three guys who are comfortably ahead of the traffic - so when you catch up to them, they are already at 20-30km/h - but more importantly, about 100 or 200m down the road, giving you enough time to change lanes - or at least slow down to 20km/h vs stuck behind them at 2km/h.

 

The problem is that the population of cyclists are so varied - some want to ride on pavement and be regarded as pedestrians, some want to ride on road and be regarded as motorists, and the most dangerous lot is the bunch that switches between pavement and road as they deem fit. It is very unpredictable - have you seen cyclists riding along the road, and, as they approach a zebra crossing, make a sudden turn to cross it perpendicular to the traffic flow they were on?

 

Motorists have to be vigilant at all times, that is a given. But a lot of the order on the road relies on people having gone through the LTA driving tests to abide a set of regulations. Any motorist on the road who does unpredictable things will get everyone into trouble - like driving against the flow of traffic, beating red lights, suddenly stopping on the expressway. Cyclists tend to do more of that - beating red lights, riding sandwiched between traffic lanes (by virtue of size they are not very visible), alternating between motorist and pedestrian - remember the cyclist that got wiped out by a Lexus SUV?

 

At the end of the day, they have the most to lose as they are the "smallest" road user and precious little protection. They whine about not being respected, but on the roads, they don't behave in a way that earns the respect of fellow motorists.

[Nzy]

Your driving instructor said this?

If I were his boss in the driving center, tomorrow he don't need to come to work le.

 

What the ?!?!

 

My driving instructor said this as well. So now if you see a car driving at 40km/h will you ask him to drive on pedestrian path instead?

[Nzy]

but i think there is no law to said they must at the moment.

 

Cyclists are supposed to abide by the same laws on the road. Thats why they shouldn't run the red light as well even if there are no cars. I was stopped by TP for speeding on my bicycle as well but warning only.

[macrosszero]

Cyclists are supposed to abide by the same laws on the road. Thats why they shouldn't run the red light as well even if there are no cars. I was stopped by TP for speeding on my bicycle as well but warning only.

 

Speeding on your bicycle? There are very few locations in Singapore where a cyclist can exceed the posted speed limit......

[Turbonetics]

Cyclists are supposed to abide by the same laws on the road. Thats why they shouldn't run the red light as well even if there are no cars. I was stopped by TP for speeding on my bicycle as well but warning only.

 

 

yah,u may be right.

its just like pedestrians jay walking.

but anyway,i don't see any big deal in the video.

if this is a big deal,everybody will be very busy.