TP: Road hogging is an offence but tailgating is not

[Weez911]

Yeah i hate both. When i see road hogger i high beam or undertake from left

 

 

Even When i see tailgater behind me i will just filter to lane 2. Even if i am not hogging the road cos i don't like ppl follow me closely. i don't want to risk myself into an accident that waste my precious time.

So can say road hogger is also part of reckless driving lol

 

Relak bro, I feel you. This is what I do below, and I highly recommend it, it's very therapeutic.

 

[Nzy]

Relak bro, I feel you. This is what I do below, and I highly recommend it, it's very therapeutic.

 

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Good idea. Didn't know the forum got such a feature. Will do that once I run out of valid points and need to avoid the problem.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Nzy

[CarsAndMe]

Looks like you are unable to think for yourself. First you say people tailgate cuz of hoggers. So they got no mind of their own to drive safely even when they meet a hogger. Now that you realise you are wrong. You feel that the safest is to stay behind others. That makes you the same species as hoggers.

 

Please think and be flexible. Safe to undertake just undertake. No need to follow others blindly, tailgate or drive recklessly just because of a hogger.

 

 

Just leave a safe distance of 2s. If there is a faster car. Go to the left and let him pass. After that go back to first lane if you want to overtake the people on the second lane. You are a road hog if there is a faster car behind.

 

Even if there is another car infront of you on lane 1, still let the faster car go first. It is up to the driver infront to give way to him after that or be a road hog.

 

 

Ya. The easiest is to follow the 2s rule. Some people will feel that 1 car per 10km/h is too big a gap. Follow the 2s rule more clearcut.

Please be flexible too, if you can change to slower lane just change. Don't road hog! It is a you give in I give in too type of thing. See cars coming faster than you just let them pass, what's so difficult about it? Edited June 24, 2016 by CarsAndMe

[Nzy]

Please be flexible too, if you can change to slower lane just change. Don't road hog! It is a you give in I give in too type of thing. See cars coming faster than you just let them pass, what's so difficult about it?

You reply wrong person? Since when I hog? I don't feel I am a hogger. I am in lane 2 majority of the time. Only change to lane 1 to overtake or when there is heavy traffic on lane 2 and lane 1 is moving faster. Or you never read before posting? I mentioned many times that I dislike road hogs but I also don't feel the need to tailgate. Anyway, this discussion started from a post saying that road hogs cause chain collisions. 

 

I disagreed with that because tailgaters are the ones who aren't keeping a safe distance thus causing chain collisions. Who cares if the front car is a road hog or not. As long as the rear car is tailgating, he is increasing the risk of an accident occurring. 

[CarsAndMe]

You reply wrong person? Since when I hog? I don't feel I am a hogger. I am in lane 2 majority of the time. Only change to lane 1 to overtake or when there is heavy traffic on lane 2 and lane 1 is moving faster. Or you never read before posting? I mentioned many times that I dislike road hogs but I also don't feel the need to tailgate. Anyway, this discussion started from a post saying that road hogs cause chain collisions.

 

I disagreed with that because tailgaters are the ones who aren't keeping a safe distance thus causing chain collisions. Who cares if the front car is a road hog or not. As long as the rear car is tailgating, he is increasing the risk of an accident occurring.

LOL I give up.. Guess if you are a MP you will tell your residents lift breaking down and not doing proper maintenance is okay, it is the residents fault when they still take the lift despite knowing it is unsafe (;

[ins1dious]

I can think of a few words that describe hoggers...

 

obstinate, stubborn, unyielding, inflexible, intractable, bull-headed, bloody-minded...

 

Those words can also apply to some people in this forum also

[StefanK]

I tailgate so the hogger in front can see my dulan face behind him.

1 car distance regardless of speed, count as tailgate boh?

 

Driving nia... you all talk until macam rocket science, very soon all the graphs will come out liao.

 

Anyway, if people tailgate you, give way when safe to do so. When is it safe to do so? When got space, at the earliest, that is the safest. Like that tailgater wouldn't be too dulan, you also can rejoin back the lane to be a hogger.

 

Women are not the cause of rapists, cos if there are no women, men will rape men.

[inlinesix]

I tailgate so the hogger in front can see my dulan face behind him.

1 car distance regardless of speed, count as tailgate boh?

 

Driving nia... you all talk until macam rocket science, very soon all the graphs will come out liao.

 

Anyway, if people tailgate you, give way when safe to do so. When is it safe to do so? When got space, at the earliest, that is the safest. Like that tailgater wouldn't be too dulan, you also can rejoin back the lane to be a hogger.

 

Women are not the cause of rapists, cos if there are no women, men will rape men.

 

The problem is a lot of road hogger don't look at rear view mirror to see your tulan face.  The only solution is to install PA system to them to f off from lane 1 [laugh]

 

In situation, where it is not possible to shift, can indicate with left signal.

 

[StefanK]

The problem is a lot of road hogger don't look at rear view mirror to see your tulan face.  The only solution is to install PA system to them to f off from lane 1 [laugh]

 

In situation, where it is not possible to shift, can indicate with left signal.

 

 

That's the advantage of tailgating as well. Although hogger cannot see my dulan face, I can slipstream him and because he cannot see my dulan face, he also cannot see my signal lights, if he cannot see my signal lights, he wunch know imma gonna undertake him, if he dunch know imma gonna undertake him, he cannot speed up to block me, he cannot block me, lim pei will be ahead of him.

 

I must remember to wave bye bye to chao hogger after every undertake. it's only polite. 

[Nzy]

I tailgate so the hogger in front can see my dulan face behind him.

1 car distance regardless of speed, count as tailgate boh?

 

Driving nia... you all talk until macam rocket science, very soon all the graphs will come out liao.

 

Anyway, if people tailgate you, give way when safe to do so. When is it safe to do so? When got space, at the earliest, that is the safest. Like that tailgater wouldn't be too dulan, you also can rejoin back the lane to be a hogger.

 

Women are not the cause of rapists, cos if there are no women, men will rape men.

 

Problem is hoggers won't give way no matter what. You tailgate or highbeam they will just ignore. Why contribute to the congestion? Keep safe distance and overtake when possible.

[Nzy]

LOL I give up.. Guess if you are a MP you will tell your residents lift breaking down and not doing proper maintenance is okay, it is the residents fault when they still take the lift despite knowing it is unsafe (;

 

You don't seem to get it. Both hoggers and tailgaters are bad. I am not saying only tailgaters are bad. In your example, I would say it is half correct only. I mean, I agree that if the lift is faulty, avoid it. If the person still uses it knowing it is dangerous, isn't he stupid? But then on the other hand, it is the town council's fault that the lift is not maintained properly. Both sides are wrong.

 

Just like the hogger and tailgater. Hogger not supposed to hog in the first place but tailgater is being stupid to put himself and others in danger.

[StefanK]

Problem is hoggers won't give way no matter what. You tailgate or highbeam they will just ignore. Why contribute to the congestion? Keep safe distance and overtake when possible.

 

actually it's all relative. some of us have tailgated short enough for the hogger to give way, sometimes it doesn't work. however, it's not hogger and tailgaters who contribute to congestion. if both parties are moving continuously, congestion doesn't happen.

 

safe distance is relative cos my one car distance is tailgating to you and your five cars distance is hogging to me.

 

while I recognise your need to keep such a far distance, I don't see why you can't give way to me for my one car distance and you can rejoin back to the lane for that five car distance. that's basically the gripe. just like walking, we all have the feeling to smack on the back of the head, that particular person who is walking really slowly in front of you.

 

the real people who are contributing to the congestion? the ones who keep tapping on their brakes to maintain the five car distance then stepping hard on the accelerator again to prevent others from undertaking them. Singapore's congestion is 70% phantom jams caused by these idiots.

Edited June 24, 2016 by StefanK

[Nzy]

while I recognise your need to keep such a far distance, I don't see why you can't give way to me for my one car distance and you can rejoin back to the lane for that five car distance. that's basically the gripe. just like walking, we all have the feeling to smack on the back of the head, that particular person who is walking really slowly in front of you.

 

the real people who are contributing to the congestion? the ones who keep tapping on their brakes to maintain the five car distance then stepping hard on the accelerator again to prevent others from undertaking them. Singapore's congestion is 70% phantom jams caused by these idiots.

 

If you noticed. I already said, I always give way to cars behind that are faster than me. Never had a chance to be tailgated on lane 1 before.

 

I always thought there is a standard for the safe distance. Isn't it 2s? What is the 2s rule being taught in driving school for? 

 

I always feel that both contribute to congestion cuz hoggers block the overtaking lane while tailgaters always have to tap on their brakes whenever the front car slows down. I do not need to tap on my brakes at all when keeping the safe distance cuz there is enough space for me to slow down gradually by releasing the accelerator. 

 

All the while, I was trying to say that don't blame hoggers for chain collisions. People who don't keep the safe distance are the ones who cause chain collisions. If they had kept a safe distance. It doesn't matter if the front car brakes for nothing. They won't hit him.

 

Edited June 24, 2016 by Nzy

[StefanK]

If you noticed. I already said, I always give way to cars behind that are faster than me. Never had a chance to be tailgated on lane 1 before.

 

I always thought there is a standard for the safe distance. Isn't it 2s? What is the 2s rule being taught in driving school for? 

 

I always feel that both contribute to congestion cuz hoggers block the overtaking lane while tailgaters always have to tap on their brakes whenever the front car slows down. I do not need to tap on my brakes at all when keeping the safe distance cuz there is enough space for me to slow down gradually by releasing the accelerator. 

 

All the while, I was trying to say that don't blame hoggers for chain collisions. People who don't keep the safe distance are the ones who cause chain collisions. If they had kept a safe distance. It doesn't matter if the front car brakes for nothing. They won't hit him.

 

i don't necessarily think it's tailgaters who share the major blame on chain collisions. like you said, hoggers don't check their mirrors, they are not gonna care who is behind them and I think we all know how hard these people brake.

 

i've always wanted a new bumper but every time I slow down or brake, I always see how close the car behind me is and react accordingly. so from experience alone, no, tailgaters do not deserve the major blame on chain collisions. to further strengthen that, we've all seen chain collision videos here where the offending car had so much time to stop but ended up rear ending the car. it's not the tailgating, it's whether one is alert at the wheel or not.

[Nzy]

i don't necessarily think it's tailgaters who share the major blame on chain collisions. like you said, hoggers don't check their mirrors, they are not gonna care who is behind them and I think we all know how hard these people brake.

 

i've always wanted a new bumper but every time I slow down or brake, I always see how close the car behind me is and react accordingly. so from experience alone, no, tailgaters do not deserve the major blame on chain collisions. to further strengthen that, we've all seen chain collision videos here where the offending car had so much time to stop but ended up rear ending the car. it's not the tailgating, it's whether one is alert at the wheel or not.

Found some articles regarding the 2s rule and collisions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-second_rule

 

The two-second rule is useful as it can be applied to any speed. It is equivalent to one vehicle-length for every 8 km/h (5 mph) of the current speed.

The practice has been shown to considerably reduce risk of collision, and also the severity of an accident, if an accident occurs. It also helps to avoid tailgating and road rage for all drivers.

The two-second rule tells a defensive driver the minimum distance needed to reduce the risk of collision under ideal driving conditions.

 

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/speed-limits/speed-limits_2-second-rule.html

 

Never drive closer than indicated by the two-second rule. If you drive too close to the vehicle in front (tailgating) and it brakes suddenly, you may not have enough time to react. If you run into the vehicle, you will be liable for any damage caused.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/highways-agency-warns-tailgaters-that-only-a-fool-breaks-the-two-second-rule

 

14% of casualties on our roads are caused by people tailgating. That’s why we’re reminding people to stay safe and keep at least a 2-second gap from the car in front.

 

Not doing so could have tragic consequences. If in doubt, remember the saying, ‘only a fool breaks the 2-second rule’.

 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/following-distance/

 

It's very important to make sure you have a safe distance between you and the vehicle in front, so you will have enough time to stop if you need to stop suddenly.

 

Several seconds can pass from the time you see the hazard until you come to a complete stop. This is because you need time to react to the hazard and take action – putting your foot on the brake – as well as time for the brakes to slow the vehicle down.

 

 

 

Couldn't find anything that says that people who brake suddenly cause chain collisions though. Apparently, insurance companies also seem to agree that it is the responsibility of the driver at the back to keep a safe distance since they always blame the rear driver in any rear-end collisions.

[ins1dious]

i don't necessarily think it's tailgaters who share the major blame on chain collisions. like you said, hoggers don't check their mirrors, they are not gonna care who is behind them and I think we all know how hard these people brake.

 

i've always wanted a new bumper but every time I slow down or brake, I always see how close the car behind me is and react accordingly. so from experience alone, no, tailgaters do not deserve the major blame on chain collisions. to further strengthen that, we've all seen chain collision videos here where the offending car had so much time to stop but ended up rear ending the car. it's not the tailgating, it's whether one is alert at the wheel or not.

 

[StefanK]

[Vratenza]

When in Rome, do what the Romans do.

 

Seem like JB car also starting to pick up bad habits when driving on Singapore roads....is it our air or something?

 

I followed for a distance, waited for the motorcycle to clear the 2nd lane before doing my undertaking move.