COE refinements to be finalised in next few weeks

[Hydrocarbon]

But the assumption is that your survey targets are RANDOM. Something that is violated in LTA's online poll. LTA should not ask anyone to do the survey, but rather approach randomly selected people.

 

"LTA should not ask anyone to do the survey, but rather, [sic] approach randomly selected people."

 

[Wind30]

"LTA should not ask anyone to do the survey, but rather, [sic] approach randomly selected people."

 

 

yup, I think random is the wrong word to use. They should designed the sample such that it is reflective of the general population.

 

The point I am trying to make is you cannot leave the survey open and ask anyone to do the survey. If you see how the population census is done in 2010 in singapore, the survey is by invitation only.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Wind30

[Wt_know]

no need survey or random interview la ...

just zip up this thread with 50 pages send to lta can liao

the coe topic is debated to death with left/right/center/top/bottom views ... lol

 

anyway, i think lta know exactly what is the issue ... they aint stupid la ... they are smarter than anyone

 

the problem is what steps to be taken so that

 

a. satisfy the left camp

b. satisfy the right camp

c. reduce the impact / side-effect to the minimum

 

just like MND with their rounds and rounds of new measures including banning PR to sublet HDB and now bar new PR to buy resale for the first 3 years

Edited September 5, 2013 by Wt_know

[Elfenstar]

???? errr did you actually read that link? what does that has to do with polling which is what we are discussing?

 

everything must be in context right, cannot anyhow google.

 

A better link you should read is

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/education...tals_error.html

 

Inside you can learn about the sampling error I am talking about and how many people you need to survey to have confidence in your results.

 

But the assumption is that your survey targets are RANDOM. Something that is violated in LTA's online poll. LTA should not ask anyone to do the survey, but rather approach randomly selected people.

 

By opening the survey to everyone, it is kind of pointless as your sample will be biased.

 

read this

http://thisnation.com/question/002.html

 

You obviously know nothing much about stats, and I didn't just study it in uni, I had to create various test, and apply the various techniques. Did I mention I worked in a market research firm part time while I was in uni?? Unless everyone takes part, there is no context for needed for any result to be statistically significant. This doesn't matter what sample type it is, nor what kind of statistical test, hypothesis, etc it is. It has to be statistically significant for the researcher to say with confidence that the results are not due to chance.

 

I hope with the links you provided show you how much more flawed your poll is than LTA's.

[Elfenstar]

"LTA should not ask anyone to do the survey, but rather, [sic] approach randomly selected people."

 

 

Don't bother, this is one subject I aced with little effort, and he doesn't know what he's talking about. Just trying to find random info to try and support his tenuous claims (while at the same time shooting down his other points )

[Elfenstar]

yup, I think random is the wrong word to use. They should designed the sample such that it is reflective of the general population.

 

The point I am trying to make is you cannot leave the survey open and ask anyone to do the survey. If you see how the population census is done in 2010 in singapore, the survey is by invitation only.

 

Really??? You think??? BUT is it even possible? No it isn't. There isn't any perfect sample. Oh, and the population census is by invitation??? [laugh]

Edited September 6, 2013 by Elfenstar

[Knoobie]

I can only say, my family and friends are all totally unaware of a focus group that LTA had going on. Until I told some of them what I saw on this forum.

 

And trust me on it, non of us prefer to bid our own COE.

 

Majority did not have iBanking.

 

We are not high ranking/taokay that can suka suka take time off or spend working hours go bid/monitor COE.

 

 

[Ernestchewjiyang0908021996]

Which date is the coe rules coming out

[Wt_know]

until our beloved mr lui feel good to tell or when you spotted him in a bus or mrt may be can ask him

 

Which date is the coe rules coming out

 

[Celeste_blur]

Actually for those who think that families with young kids wanting a car can be a "want" instead of a "need" pls think again. Imagine having 2 kids with age gap of 1-2yrs meaning when one is 1yr+ the other is few mths old baby. Every morning the parents need to get both the kids to infantcare n then rush to work. If their workplace is 1-1.5hrs from their home via public transport do u think they can get to work on time w/o a car (infantcare/childcare opens only on 7am and most close at 7pm) Of course some of u might say both husband n wife should change jobs to somewhere nearer to their house but then when job is stable and with 2 kids to feed how many will risk that. To add on, during rainy days if u need to bring the 2 kids to the infantcare (do note that not all infantcares are within walking distance to one's home) and still having to get to work on time is a bigger challenge.

 

But in the end yes i do agree we should separate bnb cars from the luxury ones so that at least it will help especially families with young kids to own a bnb car. I also agree on maintaining the 40-50% dp and 5yr loan to encourage financial prudence.

[Hydrocarbon]

Actually for those who think that families with young kids wanting a car can be a "want" instead of a "need" pls think again. Imagine having 2 kids with age gap of 1-2yrs meaning when one is 1yr+ the other is few mths old baby. Every morning the parents need to get both the kids to infantcare n then rush to work. If their workplace is 1-1.5hrs from their home via public transport do u think they can get to work on time w/o a car (infantcare/childcare opens only on 7am and most close at 7pm) Of course some of u might say both husband n wife should change jobs to somewhere nearer to their house but then when job is stable and with 2 kids to feed how many will risk that. To add on, during rainy days if u need to bring the 2 kids to the infantcare (do note that not all infantcares are within walking distance to one's home) and still having to get to work on time is a bigger challenge.

 

But in the end yes i do agree we should separate bnb cars from the luxury ones so that at least it will help especially families with young kids to own a bnb car. I also agree on maintaining the 40-50% dp and 5yr loan to encourage financial prudence.

 

This has been debated many times already, and I believe most came to the consensus that a car is a "want" in most, if not all situations. Any scenario one can come up with, it cannot be argued conclusively that a car is a need, unless you're a taxi driver, then you're not having your own car.

[Celeste_blur]

Actually its very easy to determine the difference between "want" and "need". It depends on how often you need to use it. You have mentioned many different similar scenarios but with the current public transport system its almost mission impossible to rely on public transport based on the above scenario especially when you need to do this 5 days a week. Only those that have been thru it will understand.

[Simplecar]

Actually its very easy to determine the difference between "want" and "need". It depends on how often you need to use it. You have mentioned many different similar scenarios but with the current public transport system its almost mission impossible to rely on public transport based on the above scenario especially when you need to do this 5 days a week. Only those that have been thru it will understand.

if one family needs dual income, then they have over-extended their situation. If wife/husband cannot afford to stay home to look after kiddo, then what is the problem?

[Hydrocarbon]

Actually its very easy to determine the difference between "want" and "need". It depends on how often you need to use it. You have mentioned many different similar scenarios but with the current public transport system its almost mission impossible to rely on public transport based on the above scenario especially when you need to do this 5 days a week. Only those that have been thru it will understand.

 

So you define your "want" and "need" based on how often you "need to use it"? How does that even make sense?

 

If you're gonna base government policy on arbitrary "wants / needs", it's just gonna be a whole lot messier. I believe, if you've read through the entire thread, you'll see fellow MCF-ers coming up with crappy "need" situations that aren't really "need" situations.

[Yeshe]

Actually for those who think that families with young kids wanting a car can be a "want" instead of a "need" pls think again. Imagine having 2 kids with age gap of 1-2yrs meaning when one is 1yr+ the other is few mths old baby. Every morning the parents need to get both the kids to infantcare n then rush to work. If their workplace is 1-1.5hrs from their home via public transport do u think they can get to work on time w/o a car (infantcare/childcare opens only on 7am and most close at 7pm) Of course some of u might say both husband n wife should change jobs to somewhere nearer to their house but then when job is stable and with 2 kids to feed how many will risk that. To add on, during rainy days if u need to bring the 2 kids to the infantcare (do note that not all infantcares are within walking distance to one's home) and still having to get to work on time is a bigger challenge.

 

But in the end yes i do agree we should separate bnb cars from the luxury ones so that at least it will help especially families with young kids to own a bnb car. I also agree on maintaining the 40-50% dp and 5yr loan to encourage financial prudence.

 

so in olden days families with 5-8 kids how?

 

there is also something called a cab which you can book on a long term basis until your kids are old enough.

last but not least, 2nd hand BB cars are not really too expensive.

[Jamomatt]

So you define your "want" and "need" based on how often you "need to use it"? How does that even make sense?

 

If you're gonna base government policy on arbitrary "wants / needs", it's just gonna be a whole lot messier. I believe, if you've read through the entire thread, you'll see fellow MCF-ers coming up with crappy "need" situations that aren't really "need" situations.

 

Private car is a want and not a need. Whatever excuses people come up with, you can achieve the same results with a taxi. Public transport is even more flexible as it allows you to drink. Having a car just makes things more convenient, and for sales people, may even be cheaper than taking public.

[Wt_know]

yes, car is a want whether the family is big small rich poor especially in the context of singapore being a small city and public transport mrt bus and taxi is vastly available and accessible

 

Private car is a want and not a need. Whatever excuses people come up with, you can achieve the same results with a taxi. Public transport is even more flexible as it allows you to drink. Having a car just makes things more convenient, and for sales people, may even be cheaper than taking public.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Wt_know

[Knoobie]

I think, the results will be that they will use CC and OMV to determine CAT A or B.

 

Since they announced it so many times in the news.. I have no idea why CC plays a part still when OMV is considered. If OMV is set at 20k, hardly any cars above 1.6l is in CAT A.

 

Maybe that is a measure in place to prevent dealers from declaring the OMV lower? Who knows. We shall see..