Honda Vezel

[Dino-Lee]

Hi Goh,

 

I have test drove 1.2QQ and I must admit that it is very competitive with Vezel. Below is my comments:

 

Look wise: Both have nice sporty look through Vezel has younger look and QQ more executive look!

 

Cabin space: QQ wheelbase is 2646mm vs Vezel 2610mm. So QQ supposed to have slightly larger interior space. But Vezel has magic seat to make its cabin space big enough too.

 

Power: Vezel wins with larger cc but QQ 1.2 turbo provide sufficient power too at SG road condition. However, it engine may struggle to push QQ above 130km/h if you travel at NS highway in MY.

 

Equipment: QQ is better but it seems that the HU is not factory fitted and it is OEM one. Few customer complaint the quality of the HU if you refer to QQ forum topic. Hope Tan Chong has resolved the problem already. You can install high end HU for Vezel as you have already save 5K as it cheaper than QQ.

 

After sales service: QQ definately wins as 5 years warranty and free service is provided. But for JDM Vezel, it should be reliable so no worry about its warranty.

 

Suggest you go to test drive QQ and see any kind soul here allow you to test drive their Vezel and judge yourself

 

 

 

I did not get to test drive the 1.2T but on 2L, so I cannot say much about the engine. However I would agree that running the 1.2T in MY highway would be a challenge not to mentioned going up Genting or Cameron Highlands.

 

 

Comparing to a sedan, the SUV rear seat is very upright and makes you sit up straight, not relax mode. In QQ, the rear seats are really straight up. We tried to adjust the angle but was max. Vezel is much better but still lose to a sedan. I also understand 1.2T has 5 years warranty but only first 3 servicing FOC, unless they upgrade the package recently. Only the 2L has 5 years free servicing.

 

[Donut]

 

Can compare car cost as such...i may be wrong but this is what i gather from LTA, not including inspection fees.

 

Assuming Vezel S Model:

OMV = $20347 (got this from onemotoring Dec 2014 data)

Excise Duty = $4069.40 (20% of OMV)

GST = $1709.15 (7% of OMV + Excise Duty)

Reg Fee = $140

ARF= $10486 (after 10000 CEV rebate)

 

Total gross costs b4 inspection & misc = $36751.55

 

Assuming Vezel Hybrid:

OMV= $23000

Excise Duty = $4600

GST = $1932

Reg Fee = $140

ARF = $9200 (after 15000 CEV rebate)

 

Total gross costs b4 inspection & misc = $38872.00

 

In a strict sense, other than higher warranty costs, Hybrid should not cost alot more than X or S model.

 

So if we talk about 50k for car body X model, gross profit is decent. Same for the rest.

 

Then of course running a business with showroom to show credibility etc, good feeling during the shopping process so we dun mind paying few k more for the aircon..all these need money, can factor in to the cost of car and freebies.

 

Add on to commission earned from loan and insurance..nett nett profit margin estimated at $10k for an entry level car.

 

My numbers may totally be wrong, anyone can correct me or add on pls do so. Much much more to learn. In future we do group buy!! Haha, import cars our own, or buy from importer. Throw out a 3-5k commission per car, everything settled, just need a date and venue of delivery for car storage b4 inspection.

 

Does anyone know the average basic pay of the SE?

[bigtan]

Looking for a good car groomer for paint protection? Exclude ceramic protection...not within my budget

[Johnson]

 

I did not get to test drive the 1.2T but on 2L, so I cannot say much about the engine. However I would agree that running the 1.2T in MY highway would be a challenge not to mentioned going up Genting or Cameron Highlands.

 

 

Comparing to a sedan, the SUV rear seat is very upright and makes you sit up straight, not relax mode. In QQ, the rear seats are really straight up. We tried to adjust the angle but was max. Vezel is much better but still lose to a sedan. I also understand 1.2T has 5 years warranty but only first 3 servicing FOC, unless they upgrade the package recently. Only the 2L has 5 years free servicing.

 

Yes bro, u are right the temperature really goes higher on a turbo charged engine especially in smaller cc where the turbo must spool in order to get into the speed. NA engines normally can just whack without much worry about heating up in long distance travels.

 

i frequent north cos i like to travel to malacca, genting. I felt safer going NA but that's just me. Maybe technologies has changed cos i'm still driving a manual car as of now..haha few days more i shall be able to relac my left foot.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Johnson

[Vantivetech]

 

Yes bro, u are right the temperature really goes higher on a turbo charged engine especially in smaller cc where the turbo must spool in order to get into the speed. NA engines normally can just whack without much worry about heating up in long distance travels.

 

i frequent north cos i like to travel to malacca, genting. I felt safer going NA but that's just me. Maybe technologies has changed cos i'm still driving a manual car as of now..haha few days more i shall be able to relac my left foot.

The turbo charged cars of today are different from the past. The turbines are water cooled as part of the engine block cooling system. This will regulate overall temperatures of the coolant and engine oil.

 

Your added maintenance risk is that of the turbine and its hoses. Turbine bearing kaput, hoses crack, etc.

small price to pay for added fun

[Johnson]

The turbo charged cars of today are different from the past. The turbines are water cooled as part of the engine block cooling system. This will regulate overall temperatures of the coolant and engine oil.

 

Your added maintenance risk is that of the turbine and its hoses. Turbine bearing kaput, hoses crack, etc.

small price to pay for added fun

 

thanks for the clarification bro. Indeed i'm outdated liao

[Rationalexuberance]

Looking for a good car groomer for paint protection? Exclude ceramic protection...not within my budget

hi bro,nowadays is either glass coating or ceramic coating. i did glass coating b4 at 250plus in my ex-car. do u have in mind what kind of other paint protection you want? if it's high end carnuba waxing which washes off in 3-4mths..i tink needa pay anything 50-150 per session of grroming every quarter.

 

Does anyone know the average basic pay of the SE?

 

my experience is 500-800 per sale of 2nd hand car. and may 1k for new car

[Chanlccs]

Hi, can I check with you guys if it is normal to settle the payment a few days before collection of cars or on the day of collection? My SE is asking me to sign the documents and settle the remaining a few days before collection date. Any inputs?

[Wattokkingu]

Thanks for the detailed calculation bro Rational. Seems like the diff between X and Z taking into account of 8k Coe diff and about 2k basic cost diff should be around 10k. So additional 10k is to account for the hybrid maintenance. Hopefully, the hybrid model price will drop once more dealers bring in the model.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Wattokkingu

[Rationalexuberance]

Thanks for the detailed calculation bro Rational. Seems like the diff between X and Z taking into account of 8k Coe diff and about 2k basic cost diff should be around 10k. So additional 10k is to account for the hybrid maintenance. Hopefully, the hybrid model price will drop once more dealers bring in the model.

welcome bro. hope i din offend anyone. vezel is entry level car,hefty profit alredy. if we churn the numbers for merc and bmw..hohoho..powerful! still feel alot of other costs involved not accted for.

 

from e calculation,kinda seems like Hybrid OMV was under-declared. My unit's OMV was only 22k plus. have to make up for actual costs paid with higher asking price. any higher costs incurred at ARF wud mean even higher asking price then it wud not.be competitive already as it moves towards the realm of european car pricing.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Rationalexuberance

[Vantivetech]

 

Can compare car cost as such...i may be wrong but this is what i gather from LTA, not including inspection fees.

 

Assuming Vezel S Model:

OMV = $20347 (got this from onemotoring Dec 2014 data)

Excise Duty = $4069.40 (20% of OMV)

GST = $1709.15 (7% of OMV + Excise Duty)

Reg Fee = $140

ARF= $10486 (after 10000 CEV rebate)

 

Total gross costs b4 inspection & misc = $36751.55

 

Assuming Vezel Hybrid:

OMV= $23000

Excise Duty = $4600

GST = $1932

Reg Fee = $140

ARF = $9200 (after 15000 CEV rebate)

 

Total gross costs b4 inspection & misc = $38872.00

 

One other cost which is very difficult to quantify is business risk. The organization may have used credit facilities to bring the car in or paid in cash, there is risk to these ;) there is risk that inventories sit around in singapore for long time, etc... So considering the margins they make while not heap lot is fair. That's imo ;)

[Johnson]

guys how do you recover from the CTBA when it is fully activated? sorry i remembered reading somewhere in the pages but lost in the 200 over pages.

[saysay]

hi bro,nowadays is either glass coating or ceramic coating. i did glass coating b4 at 250plus in my ex-car. do u have in mind what kind of other paint protection you want? if it's high end carnuba waxing which washes off in 3-4mths..i tink needa pay anything 50-150 per session of grroming every quarter.

 

 

my experience is 500-800 per sale of 2nd hand car. and may 1k for new car

 

Bro, I am holding back my plan for paint protection waiting for your 5 layers 9H ceramic @$500 kangtao. Can pm contact...

 

[wkloh]

Hi, can I check with you guys if it is normal to settle the payment a few days before collection of cars or on the day of collection? My SE is asking me to sign the documents and settle the remaining a few days before collection date. Any inputs?

You have a choice..

Hear them out then make your wise decision.. 😉

[Vroomvroom]

 

I did not get to test drive the 1.2T but on 2L, so I cannot say much about the engine. However I would agree that running the 1.2T in MY highway would be a challenge not to mentioned going up Genting or Cameron Highlands.

Comparing to a sedan, the SUV rear seat is very upright and makes you sit up straight, not relax mode. In QQ, the rear seats are really straight up. We tried to adjust the angle but was max. Vezel is much better but still lose to a sedan. I also understand 1.2T has 5 years warranty but only first 3 servicing FOC, unless they upgrade the package recently. Only the 2L has 5 years free servicing.

Just a thought. With the number of tech gadgets in the car, the 5 yrs warranty may comes in handy.

[Dino-Lee]

Hi, can I check with you guys if it is normal to settle the payment a few days before collection of cars or on the day of collection? My SE is asking me to sign the documents and settle the remaining a few days before collection date. Any inputs?

Same thing happen to me bro. My first time buy from PI and I was shock. I thought same procedure with buying car from AD; settle all payment during delivery. I paid fully and sign all documents 3-4 days before collecting my ride.

[Rationalexuberance]

Same thing happen to me bro. My first time buy from PI and I was shock. I thought same procedure with buying car from AD; settle all payment during delivery. I paid fully and sign all documents 3-4 days before collecting my ride.

hi guys, i also paid full days b4 i physically collected my car..however i was told to pay by a certain time on the particular day becos registration of COE to my ride was gona be done.

i made payment, and couple of hrs later i could check on onemotoring the ownership and log card. That's when the legal ownership is handed to me.

[Dino-Lee]

guys how do you recover from the CTBA when it is fully activated? sorry i remembered reading somewhere in the pages but lost in the 200 over pages.

After activation, between 1-2 seconds, all will be back to normal. You do not need to do anything.

 

Just be careful if you are at a slope. The engine will cut off and your car will start rolling. Just step on the brake to stop the car and you can drive on after that.