"PAP MP Inderjit Singh confronts Singapore

[Acemundo]

 

 

giuess we can see where the lack of EQ stems from then

it is not always true that a direct relationship exists between highly logical mind and low EQ.

 

I would rather say his low EQ stems from being in the ivory tower too long too far to understand what the people at the ground are thinking and feeling.

[Mockngbrd]

[Ahgong]

http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/05/29/heated-debate-between-pm-lee-low-in-parliament/

 

 

Heated debate between PM Lee & MP Low in Parliament

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Mr Low: We had made a calculation at that point in time while debating the Population White Paper and that if you continue to allow the foreign workers to grow it will be untenable in the future population growth and thereby we decided that we need to keep the population number in check and one way of doing it, of course, is to freeze the foreign workers’ growth in numbers.

 

Our calculation was that probably within the existing number of foreign workers, you can still move (them) around in some sectors that don’t need so much of FWs thereby you can still get by with the zero foreign workers’ growth.

 

We understand perfectly the possibility and the trade-off. That is our position at that point in time. We have not objected subsequently, or grilled the Government, for why are (they) not doing it because that is our view, that it should have zero (foreign worker) growth, but the Government decided otherwise that’s their way of doing it.

 

We have said our piece but we have to respect the decision of the Government to move on. But our message has got across. We cannot sustain continuously the kind of population growth plan the Government is planning and I’m glad to hear today that PM is saying that the Government is taking a very serious view the about tightening and watching the growth of population.

 

 

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Mr Low: Mdm speaker, I disagree. This is not the mark of a sub-standard Opposition. This is the mark of a responsible Opposition not to jam up the Government; allowing the Government – after giving our view, debating it – allowing the Government to move forward, not to jam up the Government. It is a mark of a responsible Government and a mark of first world Parliament.

 

 

 

 

re-read the dialogue.

assuming that they are not political opponents, the dialogue, if they are in a debating competition, already scores quite a few points~!

I really like the way he put the message across

[Baal]

 

re-read the dialogue.

assuming that they are not political opponents, the dialogue, if they are in a debating competition, already scores quite a few points~!

I really like the way he put the message across

 

Yep. I actually noted a few mths back that LTK's English did improve compared to the past. And yes the way he put across the message, very suave. Maybe Pritam & SL gave him an in house diplomacy course. :)

 

In any case, from the start, they have already established that they are not prepared to govern the country, but instead provide checks & balances for the people. The way I see it, they are being pressured to take a firm stance & "invited" to go head on. It will be good if they don't fall for it as that would be akin to walking on a knife's edge.....

[Goldbug]

If Indergit is a minister, there might be still hope for the party...

 

but he is a back bencher probably not contesting in the coming elections....

 

Edited May 29, 2014 by Goldbug

[macrotrust2]

 

Yep. I actually noted a few mths back that LTK's English did improve compared to the past. And yes the way he put across the message, very suave. Maybe Pritam & SL gave him an in house diplomacy course. :)

 

In any case, from the start, they have already established that they are not prepared to govern the country, but instead provide checks & balances for the people. The way I see it, they are being pressured to take a firm stance & "invited" to go head on. It will be good if they don't fall for it as that would be akin to walking on a knife's edge.....

LTK is playing a poker game- dont want to provoke the PM now- as to abide his time nearing the GE which is next year. In fact, the more agitated the PM, the happier LTK is meaning he is losing control of his voter and taking the heat from the recent CPF.

 

You notice he keep asking him what his stand is- LTK never reply much or offer much information except to say the white paper population of 6.9M which is the fear factor of most singaporean. then the PM mention he already reduce FW as to placate the people.

 

interesting to watch the CPF saga- another fear factor of most singaporean on how the govt will do something about it. increase min sum with certain condition which may be peg to earning or salary level

[Super7]

I saw some time back that LTK spoke Chinese in parliament,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_1RRHKvCl0&list=PL8fbjYvSrlD33sheFO-kweLkH7I2u8FSL

that's how he leads our gov,,, rudderlessly in a very subtle way possible

 

Dragon is a Cambrigde grad, isnt he?

 

LTK is from Nanyang University, local born and bred.

 

Considering where they got their education, LTK did his Nanyang U proud. The father closed down the university, but the "enemy" of father and son has made his fellow classmates in NU proud in more ways than one.

 

Is mandarin still a working language in parliment? If it is, LTK can always use it to debate with "jiak kantang" dragon prince. [grin]

[Piyopico]

LHL threw a bait with the Population White Paper and Foreign Worker quota thingy.

 

PM not dumb. He knows the ground from SME is very very sore. Many are simply stunned by their stupidity in reducing the quota for manual workers. The fact is there is simply not enough locals to do those manual jobs. It is not even about pay sometimes. People wanna be mgr or boss or some great titles with high pay and short working hours plus plus plus .........

 

People are screaming about the influx of PMETs who are nowhere new professional nor of managerial quality and the PM still talking about number of Blangras............... ?

 

I know. I also SME. I gave up.

[Joseph22]

LHL threw a bait with the Population White Paper and Foreign Worker quota thingy.

 

PM not dumb. He knows the ground from SME is very very sore. Many are simply stunned by their stupidity in reducing the quota for manual workers. The fact is there is simply not enough locals to do those manual jobs. It is not even about pay sometimes. People wanna be mgr or boss or some great titles with high pay and short working hours plus plus plus .........

 

People are screaming about the influx of PMETs who are nowhere new professional nor of managerial quality and the PM still talking about number of Blangras............... ?

 

I know. I also SME. I gave up.

TBF, over here most of us are PMET level. of course we talk about PMET stuff and think FW doesn't affect Singaporean.

 

however, what the MP see at MTP session are ppl of lower salary range requesting for help.

 

sadly lets face it, who will want to hire a local when they can pay for 400 dollar ~ 600 dollar foreigner (before levy) who is willing to do ot. while Singaporean likely need to hire for 1K?? and not willing to do OT. even if they are willing to do OT. 1.5 Times OT pay still more expensive then FW.

[Piyopico]

TBF, over here most of us are PMET level. of course we talk about PMET stuff and think FW doesn't affect Singaporean.

 

however, what the MP see at MTP session are ppl of lower salary range requesting for help.

 

sadly lets face it, who will want to hire a local when they can pay for 400 dollar ~ 600 dollar foreigner (before levy) who is willing to do ot. while Singaporean likely need to hire for 1K?? and not willing to do OT. even if they are willing to do OT. 1.5 Times OT pay still more expensive then FW.

Nonsense. Foreign workers in F&B not paid $600. In fact they are paid just slightly less than locals. After factoring the levy, foreign workers actually cost more. Even when you dangle higher pay for locals with more off days etc still no takers. I spent hundreds every other week to advertise but only PRs (who are not much different from locals in their demands) and foreigners call. Locals make up less than 10% of people who enquire. You have no idea how crazy the market is due to these policy changes. It has made the situation worse.

[Joseph22]

Nonsense. Foreign workers in F&B not paid $600. In fact they are paid just slightly less than locals. After factoring the levy, foreign workers actually cost more. Even when you dangle higher pay for locals with more off days etc still no takers. I spent hundreds every other week to advertise but only PRs (who are not much different from locals in their demands) and foreigners call. Locals make up less than 10% of people who enquire. You have no idea how crazy the market is due to these policy changes. It has made the situation worse.

FW not just found in F&B. I am talking about factory worker and shipyard.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Joseph22

[Piyopico]

FW not just found in F&B. I am talking about factory worker and shipyard.

I know but my point is that FW is cheap is not true.

[Joseph22]

then you say my post nonsense for what?? [mad]

In shipyard, its normal for them to start on $400 6 years back. and in some factory, FW pay is around 600.

 

 

I know but my point is that FW is cheap is not true.

 

[Piyopico]

then you say my post nonsense for what?? [mad]

In shipyard, its normal for them to start on $400 6 years back. and in some factory, FW pay is around 600.

 

 

 

Sorry I mean nonsense for F&B. Me bad.

 

BTW the shipyard workers salary low cos the agent take a cut. They also get accommodation.

[Kb27]

 

Heated debate between PM Lee & MP Low in Parliament

 

 

 

 

After reading, it sounds like LTK is keeping a cool head, while LHL is ranting away like a mad man.

 

No prize to see who's the loser.

[Joseph22]

Sorry I mean nonsense for F&B. Me bad.

 

BTW the shipyard workers salary low cos the agent take a cut. They also get accommodation.

haha okay.

[Fuelsaver]

So, when they make a 'U' turn, it is called a policy 'Shift' not flip flop .....

 

extract from CNA news on Parliament sitting:

 

 

{ The discussion then moved on to Mr Lees assertion that the Workers Party has flip-flopped on issues. Mr Low said he has clarified the partys stand, adding: I also noted that when the PAP has to make a policy U-turn, they call it policy shift. I don't know whether if that is a shift or a flip flop. }

 

link: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pm-lee-and-wp-chief-cross/1125870.html

Men can say what they want but their conscience will know n definitely GOD knows.

 

 

hmmmm........... new vocab to use in meetings ...

[Riverfish]

 

as mentioned in the other thread. Am sad to see the way it is turning out. LTK was celarly discussing the issues on 'constructive politics', etc and here, we have another saying that 'opposition substandard', 'inarticualte' etc. Clearly seems like back agst the wall and getting personal.

 

If i were mod there, i give yellow card aldy. Lock the thread(session) and start new thread...hahahaha

 

 

 

i have said it once, and many times too. I do not envy the current gahmen. The new generation are more savvy and they are not blinded by what the mainstream media says. They look for alternative CREDIBLE sources and discern for themselves. The battleground is now different from those eras where info was limited to the few sources only.

 

I disagree. What's the point of discussing some abstract concepts/ideologies like the so-called "constructive politics"? Shouldn't the time in parliament be spent debating on specific policies that impact people's everyday life and future? I'd rather see LTK respond directly to LHL's challenge on his stand on the population white paper after last year's one-off show. Sadly LTK beat around the bushes.

 

I don't envy the current government, either, but not because of the ballooning of alternative information sources, but the diverse needs of people after they've fulfilled their basic needs in necessities such as food and lodging. Human beings are selfish and we all want our cake and eat it, too.