Can buy this new engine oil in Giant? $17.90

[Kklee]

The thing is when I Google the specs it says it's an API group III base oil.

According to this website Group III base oil is mineral oil. But the label says "Fully Synthetic".

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29113/base-oil-groups

 

IIRC,  years back, highly refined Grp III became synthetic. 

[Kenopt2]

History is littered with incidents where people who chase the cheapest pays the price in the end.

 

Sure, cheap does not mean inferior, I don’t and will not pay $20 for chicken rice also. But the mentality of chasing the cheapest at all cost must be pointed out because sometimes it is just not worth the risk especially for a few tens of dollars savings a year, on cars that could cost tens of thousands.

 

Engine oil, when sold at hyper market should have been commoditized much that branding or marketing costs or markups are marginally different. That’s why I say you can get Shell HU for less than $40 at Giant versus $80 at Shell station or authorised workshop.

 

 

 

I went deeper into this discussion of EO price different between mega mart & kiosks.

 

In Aug, I bought SHU [$40] from Gaint Tampines. I took photo of it from NTUC and Gaint.  I have been using SHU from Gaint for the last 5 years.

 

The problem is NTUC/Gaint is selling SHU I with Active Cleansing Technology while Shell kiosk is selling SHU with PurePlus technology.  I can't find anything written on Active Cleansing Technoloy while the label states it was made in Hamburg.

 

Having spent ridicules much on a car, I don't want to have a fake EO in the engine as the repair bill can be hugh.

 

I have other advise from people who told me if I'm afraid using Fake EO, then get from Car Distributor...but car distributor can also buy from Giant...isn't it?

[Hachi]

We service based on the car we brought or including the price we paid (80% tax) for BB cars? Most have no qualm in paying more, but is it beneficial for the ride we brought?

[Kklee]

 

 I can't find anything written on Active Cleansing Technoloy while the label states it was made in Hamburg.

 

 

 

https://www.shell.com/motorist/oils-lubricants/helix-for-cars/pureplus.html

[Inlinefour]

Just look at Coke sold at neighbourhood discount stores vs Coke sold at 7-11 or petrol kiosks. Maybe 100 percent more expensive. Coke at 7-11 better cis it is more expensive?

 

Anyway I believe our cars are over serviced (dealers want to make more money by recommending shorter mileage between services) and it wastes time, money and kills the earth more. My car hit 15k and 2 years than I serviced it. Bo tai chee!

 

Bro really can last so long 

 

Pml recommend 12k or 1 year which ever come first 

 

Last time 25k then many engine clog claim warranty so they change pattern 

[inlinesix]

Bro really can last so long 

 

Pml recommend 12k or 1 year which ever come first 

 

Last time 25k then many engine clog claim warranty so they change pattern 

 

Without getting UOA, It is inconclusive.

 

Not forgetting short daily mileage (20km) + long oil change interval => disaster.

 

Ask Rod for his professional opinion.

[Ahbengdriver]

I dont go by month.  I DIY oil change every 5000km.  I must be an idiot, based on the earlier posts suggest one.  I use SHU, LM, M-1, Castrol or anything approved by manufacturer.  No wonder I didnt even clear PSLE.  Haigh.

[jjandyy]

Just look at Coke sold at neighbourhood discount stores vs Coke sold at 7-11 or petrol kiosks. Maybe 100 percent more expensive. Coke at 7-11 better cis it is more expensive?

 

Anyway I believe our cars are over serviced (dealers want to make more money by recommending shorter mileage between services) and it wastes time, money and kills the earth more. My car hit 15k and 2 years than I serviced it. Bo tai chee!

 

 

The discussion was about comparing EO of different brands or makes with different pricing, sometimes in the same place i.e. hypermarkets. For example, SHU vs some turtle brand.

 

We all know why the same EO can be sold higher at higher price at stations or workshops, like your example of Coke, which is not the point of discussion here.

 

 

However, if you compare Coke made by The Coca Cola Company and another brand like Big Cola by another manufacturer, then yes, they are different so the price can be different.

[Inlinefour]

Without getting UOA, It is inconclusive.

 

Not forgetting short daily mileage (20km) + long oil change interval => disaster.

 

Ask Rod for his professional opinion.

 

His new style is every 6 months for EO irregardless mileage cos mine 5 to 6k yearly

 

Then ATF 40k or 3 years 

[Mkl22]

His new style is every 6 months for EO irregardless mileage cos mine 5 to 6k yearly

 

Then ATF 40k or 3 years

Make more money lor. On what basis is 6mths?

If I take the sample at 6mths and send it to a few USA labs and it’s is proven that 6mths is an overkill will he change his mind? Wihout data is free talk.

 

And just in case people diss such overseas oil analysis labs. Such labs analyze more than just motor oil. Their analysis has to be spot on cause the equipment relies on an accurate analysis to work well and keep cost down. Aeroplane turbines and power station turbines are some examples I would think.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Mkl22

[inlinesix]

Make more money lor. On what basis is 6mths?

For short drive, I would say they are a lot of water condensation mix with oil.

[inlinesix]

His new style is every 6 months for EO irregardless mileage cos mine 5 to 6k yearly

 

Then ATF 40k or 3 years

It is good preventative measure.

 

Your EO would likely to have higher water condensation.

[Mkl22]

For short drive, I would say they are a lot of water condensation mix with oil.

Like you say without UOA it is inconclusive. Have you ever done a UOA to prove as such? If you do, then ok. If not.....

 

I have only ever done 1 UOA with black stone labs in USA back in 2003 on a Toyota Corolla.

Bro really can last so long

 

Pml recommend 12k or 1 year which ever come first

 

Last time 25k then many engine clog claim warranty so they change pattern

Jaguar diesels are 36k km or 2years. You say ley? Maybe jaguar engineers are damn stupid. And jaguar is a dumb company to quote such intervals. Everyone else is smarter.

 

For me I don’t have any data to claim to know better. I also do not have any answers other than follow recommended oils and intervals. If I want to waste money by changing earlier then I do it to feel happier but I do admit I do not have any technical grounds for doing as such.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Mkl22

[Inlinefour]

It is good preventative measure.

 

Your EO would likely to have higher water condensation.

 

 

 

Nad said prevention better than cure but their EO per litre very expensive   

[Kklee]

For short drive, I would say they are a lot of water condensation mix with oil.

 

I drive long distance, also got quite a bit of water. 

My conclusion from previous UOAs,  the vehicle is under serviced.  

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Kklee

[RideTheWind]

The discussion was about comparing EO of different brands or makes with different pricing, sometimes in the same place i.e. hypermarkets. For example, SHU vs some turtle brand.

 

We all know why the same EO can be sold higher at higher price at stations or workshops, like your example of Coke, which is not the point of discussion here.

 

 

However, if you compare Coke made by The Coca Cola Company and another brand like Big Cola by another manufacturer, then yes, they are different so the price can be different.

 

"We all know why the same EO can be sold higher at higher price at stations or workshops"

 

May I know why tho? And are you suggesting that SHU can be developed by other company and they can sell it at a much cheaper price? (Just like the Cola analogy)

[jjandyy]

"We all know why the same EO can be sold higher at higher price at stations or workshops"

 

May I know why tho? And are you suggesting that SHU can be developed by other company and they can sell it at a much cheaper price? (Just like the Cola analogy)

 

 

Coca Cola, Big Cola = brand product.  Commodity = cola

 

SHU, Mobil1 = brand product. Commodity = synthetic engine oil

 

Yes, various companies can develop the same commodity with some variations, brand them differently and sell at different price.

 

They can even sell the same brand product at different marketplace with different price points, just like the cola example. Ask yourself why the same Coca-Cola is generally more expensive in convenience stores vs supermarket/hypermarket, you will answer why the same EO is more expensive at station or workshops.

[inlinesix]

I drive long distance, also got quite a bit of water.

My conclusion from previous UOAs, the vehicle is under serviced.

Is it Japanese car？

 

If it is, I would think it is normal. Jap engine operating temp is around 80 deg