Engine oil change - what can go wrong

[Mkl22]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:12 AM, Comage said:

On a side note, I have a honest and serious question... Does anyone have a workshop to recommend; one that does not resort to hack jobs to get a job done? 

By this, I mean that the workshop doesn't pull stunts that involve:

- Plumber's tape to seal drain pan bolts, whether it be transmission pan or engine oil pain

- Zip ties to secure broken latches, studs and/or retainer pins

- Using Coke to perform a radiator flush, and then charging you the full price as if you had paid for the proper radiator flush chemicals

- Duct tape to patch cracked or broken panels from the inside

- Drilling holes and then using a drill/screw to secure loose panels, when the looseness is due to some retaining bracket that is broken behind the loose panel

Would appreciate it if anyone has such a workshop that won't do such shit, to recommend. 

Thanks for reading. 

agent workshop... cause if they do it. you can KPKB... and probably have some resolution. everyone else its a risk.

i try to only patronise workshops where the boss or partner do hands on. those bosses that sit in office ones are not so good.

[Beregond]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:12 AM, Comage said:

On a side note, I have a honest and serious question... Does anyone have a workshop to recommend; one that does not resort to hack jobs to get a job done? 

By this, I mean that the workshop doesn't pull stunts that involve:

- Plumber's tape to seal drain pan bolts, whether it be transmission pan or engine oil pain

- Zip ties to secure broken latches, studs and/or retainer pins

- Using Coke to perform a radiator flush, and then charging you the full price as if you had paid for the proper radiator flush chemicals

- Duct tape to patch cracked or broken panels from the inside

- Drilling holes and then using a drill/screw to secure loose panels, when the looseness is due to some retaining bracket that is broken behind the loose panel

Would appreciate it if anyone has such a workshop that won't do such shit, to recommend. 

Thanks for reading. 

Got la.

As long as u willing to pay for it.

😁

[Comage]

On 4/29/2024 at 11:15 AM, Beregond said:

Got la.

As long as u willing to pay for it.

😁

I am willing to pay, but so far have not found any single workshop that does this. 

I pay the "premium" that is charged for the job - and instruct specifically not to do any hack job methods, but the moment I leave they resort to their old ways again. 

Then when I pickup my car and go back to inspect the job on my own (jack the car up, teardown the panels etc) , I see all the shit they covered up inside. 

Talk a out charging a premium and giving me a hack job... 

[Fcw75]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:12 AM, Comage said:

On a side note, I have a honest and serious question... Does anyone have a workshop to recommend; one that does not resort to hack jobs to get a job done? 

By this, I mean that the workshop doesn't pull stunts that involve:

- Plumber's tape to seal drain pan bolts, whether it be transmission pan or engine oil pain

- Zip ties to secure broken latches, studs and/or retainer pins

- Using Coke to perform a radiator flush, and then charging you the full price as if you had paid for the proper radiator flush chemicals

- Duct tape to patch cracked or broken panels from the inside

- Drilling holes and then using a drill/screw to secure loose panels, when the looseness is due to some retaining bracket that is broken behind the loose panel

Would appreciate it if anyone has such a workshop that won't do such shit, to recommend. 

Thanks for reading. 

Have. You open your own workshop. 🤪

[Comage]

On 4/29/2024 at 1:08 PM, Fcw75 said:

Have. You open your own workshop. 🤪

Sounds like you either resigned to fate, or you condone such hack job practices by local mechanic workshops... 

I'm still looking for serious recommendations if you have any Sir. 

[Fcw75]

On 4/29/2024 at 3:04 PM, Comage said:

Sounds like you either resigned to fate, or you condone such hack job practices by local mechanic workshops... 

I'm still looking for serious recommendations if you have any Sir. 

Resigned to fate haha. 

Your requirements too high. 

 

[Beregond]

On 4/29/2024 at 12:38 PM, Comage said:

I am willing to pay, but so far have not found any single workshop that does this. 

I pay the "premium" that is charged for the job - and instruct specifically not to do any hack job methods, but the moment I leave they resort to their old ways again. 

Then when I pickup my car and go back to inspect the job on my own (jack the car up, teardown the panels etc) , I see all the shit they covered up inside. 

Talk a out charging a premium and giving me a hack job... 

Some time u need to bring up or point out precisely what u want and willing to pay for.

Because most driver will take the cheaper route , and most ws will not keep those very seldom use stuff such as those clips etc.

If u pointed out u only want original and willing to pay and ask WS order for u.

I am sure most ws will do it.

 

[Comage]

On 4/29/2024 at 3:18 PM, Fcw75 said:

Resigned to fate haha. 

Your requirements too high. 

 

How can this be "too high"? It's really very basic request from any mechanic what - just do it once, and do it right... with the right tools, and no shortcuts (hack jobs).

On 4/29/2024 at 3:28 PM, Beregond said:

Some time u need to bring up or point out precisely what u want and willing to pay for.

Because most driver will take the cheaper route , and most ws will not keep those very seldom use stuff such as those clips etc.

If u pointed out u only want original and willing to pay and ask WS order for u.

I am sure most ws will do it.

 

I once went to my usual workshop for an alternator change. I asked my mechanic:

- Existing alternator need to trade-in? He said no need.
- Then, can you keep my existing alternator? He went "Har? Keep for what? Cannot keep, when I change, it's very messy one, I got so many spare parts lying around, I cannot keep track of your alternator amongst all those scrap parts lying around the workshop"
- I said "You tell me what you want - some coffee money or what? $20? $50? I can give you right now, you keep for me"
- He grudgingly said "OK", but did not want to take my money beforehand.

When I came back to pick up my car the next day - I asked him where is my used alternator?

He said "Oh - I forgot! I threw it into the scrap pile - it's gone now!"

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So, good Sir - if your workshop does that (I own a dinky COE Toyota) - please recommend me your good workshop.
Thank you for reading.

[Gnahp]

On 4/29/2024 at 11:24 PM, Comage said:

How can this be "too high"? It's really very basic request from any mechanic what - just do it once, and do it right... with the right tools, and no shortcuts (hack jobs).

I once went to my usual workshop for an alternator change. I asked my mechanic:

- Existing alternator need to trade-in? He said no need.
- Then, can you keep my existing alternator? He went "Har? Keep for what? Cannot keep, when I change, it's very messy one, I got so many spare parts lying around, I cannot keep track of your alternator amongst all those scrap parts lying around the workshop"
- I said "You tell me what you want - some coffee money or what? $20? $50? I can give you right now, you keep for me"
- He grudgingly said "OK", but did not want to take my money beforehand.

When I came back to pick up my car the next day - I asked him where is my used alternator?

He said "Oh - I forgot! I threw it into the scrap pile - it's gone now!"

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So, good Sir - if your workshop does that (I own a dinky COE Toyota) - please recommend me your good workshop.
Thank you for reading.

alternator, drive shaft, starter motor, all can rebuild one

they won't throw them away

[Comage]

On 4/29/2024 at 11:35 PM, Gnahp said:

alternator, drive shaft, starter motor, all can rebuild one

they won't throw them away

Ya, I am aware of that as well.

Obviously the mechanic took it, traded it in to the supplier who provided the new alternator, and then the rest is history.

This was despite me asking upfront whether my existing/broken alternator would be traded-in or not, to which he said "No" (means I can keep it).

Then again, coming back to this... when you guys get a new altenator/compressor/starter/waterpump/whatever... if you guys ask to keep the old part - does your workshop quote you a higher price (due to lack of trade-in)?

[Beregond]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:32 AM, Comage said:

Ya, I am aware of that as well.

Obviously the mechanic took it, traded it in to the supplier who provided the new alternator, and then the rest is history.

This was despite me asking upfront whether my existing/broken alternator would be traded-in or not, to which he said "No" (means I can keep it).

Then again, coming back to this... when you guys get a new altenator/compressor/starter/waterpump/whatever... if you guys ask to keep the old part - does your workshop quote you a higher price (due to lack of trade-in)?

Normally, trade in alternator and starter only apply to recon parts, most ws themself dun fix alternator or starter, got a specialize ws for it, they repair this 2 parts, normally they are more pro in wiring and stuff also.

Most of the time, they have on hand already repaired and refurbished alternator and starter, your ws will bring the damage parts to them and do exchange. in this case u will not  get your old parts back.

Or if there are no standby parts for exchange, then have to repair, which will take longer, and in this case, u not gonna get your old parts back also.

The only way u gonna get your old parts back, is u buy a new 1, there is no reason for your ws to deny u your old parts, or u pay higher to buy a recon parts without exchange. ( or in some case your damage alternator and starter is damage beyond repair )

other parts like water pump, absorber, lower arm etc etc, very very rare have exchange, most is replace new parts, u can get back your old parts.

Others parts i can think of that use recon, is drive shaft, (need to exchange also, ) and steering rack, also need to exchange.

[Jamesc]

On 4/29/2024 at 1:08 PM, Fcw75 said:

Have. You open your own workshop. 🤪

He open his workshop we all go there.

We also like high standards on our cars.

[Comage]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:49 AM, Beregond said:

Normally, trade in alternator and starter only apply to recon parts, most ws themself dun fix alternator or starter, got a specialize ws for it, they repair this 2 parts, normally they are more pro in wiring and stuff also.

Most of the time, they have on hand already repaired and refurbished alternator and starter, your ws will bring the damage parts to them and do exchange. in this case u will not  get your old parts back.

Or if there are no standby parts for exchange, then have to repair, which will take longer, and in this case, u not gonna get your old parts back also.

The only way u gonna get your old parts back, is u buy a new 1, there is no reason for your ws to deny u your old parts, or u pay higher to buy a recon parts without exchange. ( or in some case your damage alternator and starter is damage beyond repair )

other parts like water pump, absorber, lower arm etc etc, very very rare have exchange, most is replace new parts, u can get back your old parts.

Others parts i can think of that use recon, is drive shaft, (need to exchange also, ) and steering rack, also need to exchange.

The "exchange" is the trade in I was referring to. I know most workshops don't do such repairs. 

Hence I'm asking my original question... The supplier knows the broken part can be repaired and flipped out to the next customer for a profit, so if they just sell one recon part without taking a broken one in... There is such a basis to "mark up" the prices. 

Just wondering if you guy's workshops does quote higher price if you insist to take back your old part. 

And I do remember buying a new compressor, and I did not get my old compressor back. The price is inclusive of the old party that gone in to the supplier from my workshop. 

Edited May 1, 2024 by Comage

[Beregond]

On 5/1/2024 at 12:18 PM, Comage said:

Just wondering if you guy's workshops does quote higher price if you insist to take back your old part. . 

i dun know about others.

but for trade in parts, they will inform before going ahead, and yes, i will need to pay more if i want to take back, it become a buy a recon parts instead of trade in.

for new parts replacement, they more then welcome me to bring back the old parts, like engine mount, lower arm etc etc.

My best guess for your case, is your ws wanted to do a trade in, but maybe they cannot find a recon parts and went ahead to repair, thats why they cannot give u your old alternator back.

or another case, they quote u a trade in price, but they realise they can fix it themself, and at a lower cost, so they didnt go exchange, and thats why they cannot give u back, and chut pattern.

 

[Jamesc]

What is he going to do with the old worn out parts?

Old timing belts, old brake pads, used oils he wants to keep and admire?

[Mkl22]

On 4/29/2024 at 11:24 PM, Comage said:

How can this be "too high"? It's really very basic request from any mechanic what - just do it once, and do it right... with the right tools, and no shortcuts (hack jobs).

I once went to my usual workshop for an alternator change. I asked my mechanic:

- Existing alternator need to trade-in? He said no need.
- Then, can you keep my existing alternator? He went "Har? Keep for what? Cannot keep, when I change, it's very messy one, I got so many spare parts lying around, I cannot keep track of your alternator amongst all those scrap parts lying around the workshop"
- I said "You tell me what you want - some coffee money or what? $20? $50? I can give you right now, you keep for me"
- He grudgingly said "OK", but did not want to take my money beforehand.

When I came back to pick up my car the next day - I asked him where is my used alternator?

He said "Oh - I forgot! I threw it into the scrap pile - it's gone now!"

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So, good Sir - if your workshop does that (I own a dinky COE Toyota) - please recommend me your good workshop.
Thank you for reading.

This is 100% con. They take and send for refurbishment. Where Got throw away. My workshop keeps the used parts for me to inspect then pay money and he then throws. Not plugs or oil filter la. But things like clutch and engine mounts and brake pads. 

[Mkl22]

On 5/1/2024 at 12:18 PM, Comage said:

The "exchange" is the trade in I was referring to. I know most workshops don't do such repairs. 

Hence I'm asking my original question... The supplier knows the broken part can be repaired and flipped out to the next customer for a profit, so if they just sell one recon part without taking a broken one in... There is such a basis to "mark up" the prices. 

Just wondering if you guy's workshops does quote higher price if you insist to take back your old part. 

And I do remember buying a new compressor, and I did not get my old compressor back. The price is inclusive of the old party that gone in to the supplier from my workshop. 

I change my compressor recently and was due to the clutch being worn out. There was not separate part locally for just the clutch so no choice. But I kept the compressor and will source for the clutch overseas.  Aircon workshop L&Kim gladly let me take it back. 

[Mkl22]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:32 AM, Comage said:

Ya, I am aware of that as well.

Obviously the mechanic took it, traded it in to the supplier who provided the new alternator, and then the rest is history.

This was despite me asking upfront whether my existing/broken alternator would be traded-in or not, to which he said "No" (means I can keep it).

Then again, coming back to this... when you guys get a new altenator/compressor/starter/waterpump/whatever... if you guys ask to keep the old part - does your workshop quote you a higher price (due to lack of trade-in)?

I will tell the mechanic off. And won’t go back. Such workshops to be avoided. All I ask is to be upfront. What for lie.