Aion V

[13177]

On 10/11/2025 at 5:26 AM, Zerstorer said:

Reliability both should be on par,  but I think Aion V has higher body warranty of 8 years vs 5 for MGS5.

Aion V has higher OMV 30K vs MGS5 26K and yet both are offered at similar price so it should have better resale ceteris paribus. 

BYD has how many years vehicle warranty? It is 7 years?

Really quite a tough choice choosing between BYD, MG and Aion. Lol.

[steveting99]

On 10/3/2025 at 3:34 PM, Zerstorer said:

Isn't BYD also having similar margins? Why isn't anyone complaining about that.

IMO the high RRP just gives the dealers more wiggle room to play with. Usually those dealers with larger margins tend to be able to bid more aggressively to secure the COE and may also offer a higher overtrade amount.

Ultimately, what matters most for a buyer is for a particular price point, is the car worth what you are getting in comparison to the competition. In that respect, the Aion scores very highly and all the local reviewers seem to agree on this.

The correct comparison to make is the standard set by Tesla Singapore with the market leading 40% profit margin on OMV on the basic configuration of the Model Y (irrespective of Cat A or B) - last time I checked in April 2025. If one gets the full spec Model Y, the margin grows to just over 45%. The best in the industry. 

Do note that Model Y OMV is much higher than Aion V, so the subsequent duties and taxes will be higher and there will be a higher basic cost as a result. Tesla's website makes this plain and clear - transparency that's sorely lacking with many other vendors.

Tesla (with just two models) sells around 3x more rides than GAC / VinCar / EV Hub. Currently Tesla sits a #6 in new vehicle registrations (1,419 units) as at the middle of 2025. So Tesla must be doing something right by cutting out the money jiāngshī (吸血鬼), i.e importer/Authorised Distributor and/or Authorised Dealer - by going straight to consumer from manufacturer. Wish GAC did the same.

But, you're correct that BYD via it's authorised importer (Sime Darby), Authorised Distributor (Vantage Auto) and Authorised Dealers (there's at least four) are making fat triple digit margins off the blood, sweat and tears of hard working Singaporeans who want or need a new ride. The money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) have a lucrative business here in Singapore on new rides. Many victims to drain their hard earned money on a daily basis.

The current spread of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) regarding the loss of VES and EEAI rebate (-$10k) is a good example of how jiāngshī (吸血鬼) are plying their trade to draw in more victims in Singapore. When are Singaporeans going to wake up?

[leetzean]

recently asked my sales assistant about the battery, he said that its sourced from CATL and assembled in house, was anyone else told this as well?

[13177]

On 10/11/2025 at 10:37 AM, steveting99 said:

The correct comparison to make is the standard set by Tesla Singapore with the market leading 40% profit margin on OMV on the basic configuration of the Model Y (irrespective of Cat A or B) - last time I checked in April 2025. If one gets the full spec Model Y, the margin grows to just over 45%. The best in the industry. 

Do note that Model Y OMV is much higher than Aion V, so the subsequent duties and taxes will be higher and there will be a higher basic cost as a result. Tesla's website makes this plain and clear - transparency that's sorely lacking with many other vendors.

Tesla (with just two models) sells around 3x more rides than GAC / VinCar / EV Hub. Currently Tesla sits a #6 in new vehicle registrations (1,419 units) as at the middle of 2025. So Tesla must be doing something right by cutting out the money jiāngshī (吸血鬼), i.e importer/Authorised Distributor and/or Authorised Dealer - by going straight to consumer from manufacturer. Wish GAC did the same.

But, you're correct that BYD via it's authorised importer (Sime Darby), Authorised Distributor (Vantage Auto) and Authorised Dealers (there's at least four) are making fat triple digit margins off the blood, sweat and tears of hard working Singaporeans who want or need a new ride. The money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) have a lucrative business here in Singapore on new rides. Many victims to drain their hard earned money on a daily basis.

The current spread of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) regarding the loss of VES and EEAI rebate (-$10k) is a good example of how jiāngshī (吸血鬼) are plying their trade to draw in more victims in Singapore. When are Singaporeans going to wake up?

I find BYD cars are overpriced. Their margin really very fat, this is why they can afford guaranteed coe bid, no matter how much coe has went up.

[inlinesix]

On 10/11/2025 at 11:42 AM, 13177 said:

I find BYD cars are overpriced. Their margin really very fat, this is why they can afford guaranteed coe bid, no matter how much coe has went up.

Buy Tesla.

No margin.

If kpkb about Tesla, you should relook at your statement.

[Ake109]

On 10/11/2025 at 5:28 AM, Zerstorer said:

MG had roadshow in August for the MG4EV at very attractive NDP pricing(under 150K) so that could form bulk of the sales for that month.

Roadshow in Aug cannot make it for Aug registration lah.

[Ake109]

On 10/11/2025 at 8:57 AM, 13177 said:

BYD has how many years vehicle warranty? It is 7 years?

Really quite a tough choice choosing between BYD, MG and Aion. Lol.

Go with heart. Cannot win one, in Singapore. So just buy what you like.

[13177]

On 10/11/2025 at 1:05 PM, Ake109 said:

Go with heart. Cannot win one, in Singapore. So just buy what you like.

True, buy what you like, but people would say buy something that make your money worth, esp the car price now is so ex. Buying something what you like might wasted your hard earned money if the car don't worth the money you spent.

[steveting99]

On 10/1/2025 at 9:21 AM, 13177 said:

What is CBV4A Blade battery cells? Better battery?

@13177 CBV4A refers to the model of blade battery cell, see picture below.

 

The individual blade battery cells are combined into an array and forms part of the high voltage battery pack. This in turns becomes a structural element of the vehicle's body. BYD's innovation is the geometry of their blade battery which allows more battery cells to be packed together into a given volume, thus improving overall volumetric efficiency. It's a clever and better design. Lowers cost of production.

Compared to prismatic or pouch type cells, these require an additional structural element called battery module. The battery modue takes up additional weight and space. It's also more complex to manufacture. This what GAC implements in the Aion V with their magazine battery system. See picture below.

Edited October 12, 2025 by steveting99
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[Nisse]

On 10/10/2025 at 9:58 AM, Zerstorer said:

For perspective, other popular SUVs in comparison based on spec sheet:

BYD Atto3 :2160-1750=410kg

Jaecoo J6rwd:2150-1775=375kg

MG MGS5:2200-1775=445kg

Aion V: 430-510kg

Taken in perspective it's at least as competitive if not class leading. So why was it a concern?

375kg payload is the minimum limit set by Chinese authority for SUVs. There are cases of broken axles in Chinese EV models and, fortunately, GAC produced EV is not one of them. 

[steveting99]

On 10/11/2025 at 10:40 AM, leetzean said:

recently asked my sales assistant about the battery, he said that its sourced from CATL and assembled in house, was anyone else told this as well?

@leetzean Was expecting GAC / VinCar / EV Hub to produce test certificates to show compliance to GB 38031-2025 regarding battery safety standard. 

An example where CATL showed their Naxtra Sodium batteries complies with GB 38031-202 is here: https://www.bestmag.co.uk/catls-naxtra-battery-china-safety-standard/. The test certificate is issued by China Automotive Technology and Research Center, demonstrating that CATL's Naxtra sodium battery resists thermal run away, bottom impact, and fast-charging stress.

My understanding is that GAC uses their own proprietary system called Magazine battery 2.0. Not sure where GAC sources the individual cells from. Could be from CATL, CALB or other LFP cell vendors. 

[SGCM928]

On 3/14/2025 at 12:00 PM, SGCM928 said:

The distance cousin of Aion V

The motoring world is getting more and more confusing.

Toyota bZ3X is supposedly based on the Aion V, but now there is going to be an Aion version of bZ3X?!

 

Toyota bZ3X sibling from GAC Aion to launch in China in November (https://carnewschina.com/2025/10/13/toyota-bz3x-sibling-from-gac-aion-to-launch-in-china-in-november/#google_vignette)

The Toyota bZ3X sibling from GAC will launch in China in November with BEV and PHEV powertrain variants. It is the Aion i60 compact crossover. It will enter the domestic market with a starting price of around 100,000 yuan (14,050 USD).

The Toyota bZ3X is a compact electric SUV jointly developed by the Japanese automaker and GAC. It entered the Chinese market in March 2025 with a starting price of 109,800 yuan (15,430 USD) before discounts. Its cumulative sales volume reached 33,748 units by August 2025, according to China EV DataTracker. It was disclosed in October that GAC will launch its own variant of the bZ3X with adjusted styling and Aion badges.

 

[steveting99]

On 10/10/2025 at 12:07 PM, Zerstorer said:

Well what's stopping you from buying the Sealion 7? Is it the 25k+  price difference?

 

@Zerstorer Apart from the Sealion 7, there's also Tesla Model Y, Kia EV5 and Skyworth K to consider as shown below (prices relevant as at 20-Oct-2025 from SGCarMart).

All are Cat A rides, the exception being Skyworth K - which appears to be the cheapest Cat B EV currently available in Singapore. 

The advantage that Model Y has is the AFR of $24.8k, due to current VES and EEAI rebates of -$40k. All others are close to zero. Which means Model Y PAFR will be half before CoE expires and scrap value is around $12.4k. Something to consider as Model Y OMV has the highest value of $49.4k. The nice thing about Model Y's Cat A version of the is there's no gimping or features removed compared to the Cat B version.

Unlike Sime Darby / Vantage Motor / ADs of BYD, where the Sealion 7 Cat A version has been gimped. It depends if one is willing to accept these features being cut. These include a smaller high voltage battery pack of 71.8kWhr, resulting in a shorter driving range of 405kms. Missing HUD, no memory for saving of seat settings, fake leather seats, no driver lumbar support, fake leather seats and two less speakers. All this makes the Cat A version of the Sealion 7 feel cheap for the asking price of $219.4k. The Cat A Sealion 7 has a carrying capacity limitation of 410kg - so my all bui bui kakis can't squeeze in. There is also the problem of BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) making triple digit profit margin on OMV for the Cat A version of the Sealion 7.  

So how the game works is that upfront, BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) No.1 🧛‍♂️ sinks his teeth in and drains most of the life savings of an unsuspecting Singaporean - leaving him/her half dead financially while taking a profit margin is 150% of OMV. Not bad right? It's made worse by "encouraging" one to take out a high interest, long term and large value dealer financing. All this to make it look one is getting a great deal by pretending to lower upfront costs. This provides an opening for BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) No.2 🧛‍♀️ to come along and continue to bite every month - for the next 7 years. The purpose is to drain any remaining savings and leave Singaporeans financially dead.☠️ Profit margin now jumps to 257% of OMV.🥳

 

[Zerstorer]

Cheapest cat B should be Proton Emas7 at $189K. Why not get that to lug all your big buddies?

Edited October 20, 2025 by Zerstorer

[13177]

On 10/20/2025 at 3:57 PM, steveting99 said:

@Zerstorer Apart from the Sealion 7, there's also Tesla Model Y, Kia EV5 and Skyworth K to consider as shown below (prices relevant as at 20-Oct-2025 from SGCarMart).

All are Cat A rides, the exception being Skyworth K - which appears to be the cheapest Cat B EV currently available in Singapore. 

The advantage that Model Y has is the AFR of $24.8k, due to current VES and EEAI rebates of -$40k. All others are close to zero. Which means Model Y PAFR will be half before CoE expires and scrap value is around $12.4k. Something to consider as Model Y OMV has the highest value of $49.4k. The nice thing about Model Y's Cat A version of the is there's no gimping or features removed compared to the Cat B version.

Unlike Sime Darby / Vantage Motor / ADs of BYD, where the Sealion 7 Cat A version has been gimped. It depends if one is willing to accept these features being cut. These include a smaller high voltage battery pack of 71.8kWhr, resulting in a shorter driving range of 405kms. Missing HUD, no memory for saving of seat settings, fake leather seats, no driver lumbar support, fake leather seats and two less speakers. All this makes the Cat A version of the Sealion 7 feel cheap for the asking price of $219.4k. The Cat A Sealion 7 has a carrying capacity limitation of 410kg - so my all bui bui kakis can't squeeze in. There is also the problem of BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) making triple digit profit margin on OMV for the Cat A version of the Sealion 7.  

So how the game works is that upfront, BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) No.1 🧛‍♂️ sinks his teeth in and drains most of the life savings of an unsuspecting Singaporean - leaving him/her half dead financially while taking a profit margin is 150% of OMV. Not bad right? It's made worse by "encouraging" one to take out a high interest, long term and large value dealer financing. All this to make it look one is getting a great deal by pretending to lower upfront costs. This provides an opening for BYD's money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) No.2 🧛‍♀️ to come along and continue to bite every month - for the next 7 years. The purpose is to drain any remaining savings and leave Singaporeans financially dead.☠️ Profit margin now jumps to 257% of OMV.🥳

 

Cat A sealion driving rang is 405km? Consider a sharp drop from the Cat B version?!

But i find the range become shorter also ok if drive in SG, if you have the habit of charging your car when you are out.

[steveting99]

On 10/20/2025 at 5:05 PM, Zerstorer said:

Cheapest cat B should be Proton Emas7 at $189K. Why not get that to lug all your big buddies?

@Zerstorer LOL. 😀 Proton's eMas7 is a wasted opportunity by VinCar / EV Hub by not providing a competitive B&B ride in the Cat A version here in Singapore. Who ever thought that eMas7 is going to sell well and bring back Proton from the dead here in Singapore must be a bit delulu. 🤪

Below is the pricelist from VinCar / EV Hub.

Once VinCar / EHV Hub money jiāngshī (吸血鬼) No.1 🧛‍♂️bites you with the call cash penalty of $5k and this gets added into the guaranteed CoE bid, price comes to around $203k. So yeah, the eMas7 just squeezes out the Skyworth K as the cheapest Cat B SUV by $3k. Not by much though, so it all depends if the features are worth the price difference.

Was looking for the kerb weight and gross vehicle weight of the eMas7 and its not easy to find. So went to looking at the equivalent Geely EX5 and found some technical info here: https://www.carexpert.com.au/geely/ex5/2025-inspire-jsgom8mg20250311

EX5 Unladen Weight : 1,980kg

EX5 Gross Vehicle Weight: 2,460kg

EX5 Maximum carrying capacity: 480kg

Not bad! If the Geely EX5 and eMas7 are one and the same. The maximum carrying capacity if better than BYD or MG. So my bui bui kakis will be happy to know this! 🏋️‍♂️

Still think the eMas7 is too expensive in the Cat B territory and needs to be -$20k less in Cat A. Unfortunately this would put the eMas7 in direct competition with the gimped Aion V Premium. So VinCar / EV Hub is caught between a rock and a hard place in moving the metal for both Proton and GAC. 

Edited October 21, 2025 by steveting99
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[Zerstorer]

Bro! Cheapest CAT B car that's already cheaper than Cat A and you still say it's $20k too much.

You got something against Vincar?🤪

[Ake109]

On 10/21/2025 at 6:51 PM, Zerstorer said:

Bro! Cheapest CAT B car that's already cheaper than Cat A and you still say it's $20k too much.

You got something against Vincar?🤪

Eh, he is saying it should be $20k cheaper by being in Cat A instead of B lah dey.

The EV SUV market here seems to have stratified into roughly above 4.7m go into Cat B* and below 4.7m into Cat A. If you have a smaller SUV in the below 4.7m range, hard to price in the 200s where people will go buy a 7X or G6 or Sealion 7 or Juniper instead.

Yes got a few exceptions like the perf ones and bloody Sealion 7 100kW (priced like Cat B anyway) but roughly there for most.

Edited October 22, 2025 by Ake109