Battle between Civic & Sylphy

[Quantum]

Ecactly! this is Vtec's achivement , Nissan doesn't have Vtec

[Nav14]

I am amazed with the obsession with vtec. Actually only a certain category of people are obsessed with it.

 

When I first sat in the Civic and saw the cockpit, I realised straight away looking at all the gawdy looking bright lights in front of me, that only this certain category of people will be able to appreciate this and this car was specially designed for them.

 

There are a certain category of buyers there who look beyond things like vtec , quick acceleration, fast screeching cornering, etc etc that the Civic is very good for. This category of people look for something that is relaxing to drive, surrounds you with luxury, more space etc which the Sylphy can provide.

 

Such a thread actually can tell you a lot about which category the person responding to this thread falls in without taking a physical look at him.

[W210k]

I did check the specs for the 0-100 km/h from a car magazine. Figures should be quite accurate. The Saab 9-3 2.0t is the entry model with light-pressure turbo. The 9-5 is definitely faster than the 9-3 2.0t model.

 

Figures are only as accurate as what the manufacturers claim.

Some over-claim, while others under-claim ... with the majority in between.

 

Based on my discussions with the Saab folks, they usually understate their 0-100 timing (even versus their arch-rival, Volvo). Thus a Saab 9-5 and Volvo S60 with both 0-100 at say 9.5 secs, will see the Saab outrunning the Volvo usually.

 

Then again, there is also a distinct difference between how the Japanese and European automobile testing institutes specify for performance test pre-requisites for 0-100, fuel consumption etc. AFAIK, the Japs have only 1 driver + half tank full, while the Europeans have 1 driver + 1 passenger + full tank.

 

So you tell me, which car will be faster on the roads when it comes to acceleration in the real world, when their 0-100 is printed exactly alike on paper?

 

In short, don't read too much into the numbers published in magazines to make comparative statements. Need to compare them in the real world ... at the red lights.

 

I am no Saab owner, but I can bet you the Saab 9-3 2.0t will outrun the Nissan Sylphy by the time they reach 3000 rpm and beyond.

Edited July 25, 2006 by W210k

[W210k]

A V6 engine also have SOHC wah, so where is the end point to this?

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

A V6, by virtue of its V-configuration can never have SOHC - since each bank of 3 cylinders is separated from the other bank by a given V degrees.

 

Well, SOHC per bank of 3 cylinders maybe.

But for the engine block as a whole, it becomes a DOHC.

 

Now, if its DOHC per bank of 3 for the V6, then it becomes a quad-cam ... as those found in the Alfa Romeo V6 and the latest Lexus V6.

Edited July 25, 2006 by W210k

[Clement]

I think you have raised some valid points.

 

But anyway, it is rather unfair to compare a turbo charged engine with a N.A. type engine. Of course, the turbo engine will beat the N.A. engine when the turbo boost kicks in. In such a situation, even the 2.0 Si Honda Civic will be left behind. The Saab 9-3 should be compared against another similar car like the Subaru Legacy GT (Turbo).

 

Maybe a local car magazine can do a comparison with a mixture of Jap and Euro cars with real life red light starts as you have pointed out. I am sure that the results would make quite interesting and surprising reading.

[Kelpie]

A V6, by virtue of its V-configuration can never have SOHC - since each bank of 3 cylinders is separated from the other bank by a given V degrees.

 

Well, SOHC per bank of 3 cylinders maybe.

But for the engine block as a whole, it becomes a DOHC.

 

Now, if its DOHC per bank of 3 for the V6, then it becomes a quad-cam ... as those found in the Alfa Romeo V6 and the latest Lexus V6.

 

I'm not a car engineer. The Acura RL is a 3.5L SOHC V6, this is a widely published information in the web. Perhaps, you can write to Honda and challenge them that they should change it to DOHC rather than SOHC.

 

Regards,

[Mrmurano]

I see more sylphys on the road now. Civics are also decreasing in number. so.. maybe, different people have differnet views? Sylphy concentrates on luxury quality , interior and exterior. While Civic concentrates more on Sportiness and also power. That doesn't mean that Sylphy moves like a donkey. I saw a Sylphy race with a Civic once. Sylphy beat the civic cuz of the traffic light.

[Gnoikj]

Sylphy 1.5l or 2l? Civic u referring to which model? So many...ES or FD? Lowest spec ES8 - 1.5l? or ES1 - 1.7l? FD version 1.8? or 2l Si?

 

More info would be appreciated...If its a Sylphy 1.5l that trounce a FD 2l Si, then I think it proves Sylphy superiority...but if its a Sylphy 2l which trounce a ES8-1.5l..

[W210k]

I did not compare the Saab 2.0t with the Sylphy to begin with.

I was just responding to your comparison made on the 2 cars, which I felt was incomparable.

 

I think we are aligned then. They cannot be compared.

The Saab will beat the Sylphy outright, regardless of what is shown on paper for their 0-100.

Edited July 28, 2006 by W210k

[Clement]

how to compare Sylphy with Civic?

 

Majority of those above 45 may like Sylphy better and most of those below 45 will prefer the Civic. The poll results here proof this since majority of the forumers are below 45.

 

 

I think your statement of age here is controversial. I have seen some Civic drivers who are in their 40s or 50s and I have seen some Sylphy drivers who are in their 20s and 30s. I guess it is their individual preference for the cars that matter, not their age.

[Clement]

Agreed, and to set the matter in perspective, I believe that the Saab 9-3 will beat the Civic 2.0 Si as well no matter what, as it has a turbo charged engine and even if the 0-100 paper specs for the Civic are 9.2sec and the Saab 9-3 is 10.7 sec.

 

However, I still think that the Subaru Legacy GT will beat the Saab 9-3 in a traffic light start.

[W210k]

Who's comparing against the Subaru LGT now?

 

For that matter the WRX will beat the LGT.

And yet again, the Audi RS6 will beat the WRX.

So if money is no constraint, I'd get the Audi RS6 anytime

 

Such arguments doesn't end and there is no point to compare cars that way.

[Kelpie]

I see more sylphys on the road now. Civics are also decreasing in number. so.. maybe, different people have differnet views? Sylphy concentrates on luxury quality , interior and exterior. While Civic concentrates more on Sportiness and also power. That doesn't mean that Sylphy moves like a donkey. I saw a Sylphy race with a Civic once. Sylphy beat the civic cuz of the traffic light.

 

1. Yes, I tend to agree that certain cars suit certian people and pockets.

 

2. Hehehe..I don't mind doing 0-100 sprint with a Sylphy at traffic light anytime.

 

3. IMHO, Nissan lags behind Honda and Toyota in hybrid technology. I think they are spenidng more time trying to refine their interior and to improve further on their higher capacity cars.

 

Regards,

[Clement]

Yes and the Bugatti Veyron will beat all the cars you have mentioned... no arguments...

 

But I bet some Civic owners will not be too happy that a Saab 9-3 can beat them at the traffic lights.

Edited July 28, 2006 by Clement

[Kanr]

true,bro!!!

[Kelpie]

Yes and the Bugatti Veyron will beat all the cars you have mentioned... no arguments...

 

Even the slowest jet can also beat Bugatti Veyron. No end lah. Car is still not the fastest transportation machine.

 

Regards,

[Clement]

Hmm... lets limit our discussion to cars, don't complicate the matter by introducing planes and rockets etc...

[Lingerbell]

Personally, civic is my choice.

With good FC, engine, interior to exterior etc