Need help,i'm lost.

[Sgcop]

Hi all,

 

First of all, sorry to hv to ask this question.(i dun understand law)

I do not contribute much to this forum thus i hope i'm forgiven.

 

Got into a maligned case & its driving me nuts,very stressed, keep hv to get leave for "interview" & my boss is not happy. Need some views on how to counter back or stay safe.I keep it in point form.

 

Director is A, B is me.

 

1. A has agreed to go down to agent to sign some docs on the following morning, my job is to accompany the A down.

 

2.That morning, A suddenly hv something on, could not make it but he pass me his company chop & instructed me to see what needs to be done first & do it.

 

3.On reaching the "agent's place", i found out is a piece of paper that need the A's >NRIC,Full Name,Position & Signature.I do not have any of his infos & also cannot sign for him because its forgery without his knowledge.

 

4.I gave him a call, told him i cannot do this & that, need his infos & signature, he told me over phone to fill in his infos for him.**I then ask him what bout the signature, he say write his name there> which i again ask him, how to spell. He say write XXX on the signature part, if anything happen, he will be answerable for it because he is the boss.I then followed his instructions> fill in his infos & write the XXX on the signature part.

 

(i hv witness tat hear the conversation as i on speaker jus to be on the safe side.)

 

5.Now, some @#$& happen> during interogation *Initially, A said he ask me to sign, then later part he change his statment to say> he only ask me to fill in his info for him.

 

*Meaning to say> i forge his signature without his knowledge?

 

How should i stay safe on this issue or fight my way with the allegations.

 

*I do not know the witness will say what, maybe he forgotten.

 

Any lawyers here or good powerful brain to help me think.I'm lost.

 

Thanks.

 

[Silver_blade]

This sounds serious and I doubt any lawyer can give you a solution with only the info you have here, I am sure they will need to know in greater details. I suggest you approach and engage a lawyer to look into the matter.

Edited September 8, 2009 by Silver_blade

[Altivo]

good luck bro. Can't advised much here....

[Civic6656]

You already mentioned you have a witness rite? So the witness is your witness!

[1l0v3you]

why the guy so bad one?

 

faster go and ask the witness if he still remember.

try to refresh his memory.

you should have recorded the phone conversation.

[Zniper]

if u hav a witness and provided the witness still remember and willing to be ur witness in court dan u hav a higher chances of winning.... if not, sad to say it will be difficult...

[Sgcop]

So meaning>>

The Director wanted to go & do all nessary application in the 1st place but he could'nt make it at the last minute. He passed me his company chop & instructed me to fill in whatever i can,Upon reaching agent's place, I called him because i cannot do anything ( i also cannot forge his signature because i dunno how he sign & without his knowledge also do not hv his infos to fill in the form.)

 

So i called the Director, say need to fill in form, need his infos..he gv me all infos & then the signature part, i ask him if he wanted to come down to sign, he say write XXX on it...**(because that word hv different spelling), i do not know which is the correct spelling, i ask him to spell for me, after spelling it, he said: "U help me write the spelling i gave you, anything he will be answerable for it, as he is the director of company".. then i followed his instruction & write on it.

 

I did not write "F" infront of the spelling he gave me, because the part requires the Director signature, meaning actual person to sign it.

 

I understand that> Actual fact is i did write his name on the signature part, under the instruction of the Director.

 

I did not forge his signature, it is WITH his knowledge & he instructed me to write on it, furthermore, i dun stand to gain anything, not even 1 cent..

 

Is like help to write his name on behalf then i kanna tis case lor

 

These are the facts & i also jia lat?OMG..

[Scoots]

So meaning>>

The Director wanted to go & do all nessary application in the 1st place but he could'nt make it at the last minute. He passed me his company chop & instructed me to fill in whatever i can,Upon reaching agent's place, I called him because i cannot do anything ( i also cannot forge his signature because i dunno how he sign & without his knowledge also do not hv his infos to fill in the form.)

 

So i called the Director, say need to fill in form, need his infos..he gv me all infos & then the signature part, i ask him if he wanted to come down to sign, he say write XXX on it...**(because that word hv different spelling), i do not know which is the correct spelling, i ask him to spell for me, after spelling it, he said: "U help me write the spelling i gave you, anything he will be answerable for it, as he is the director of company".. then i followed his instruction & write on it.

 

I did not write "F" infront of the spelling he gave me, because the part requires the Director signature, meaning actual person to sign it.

 

I understand that> Actual fact is i did write his name on the signature part, under the instruction of the Director.

 

I did not forge his signature, it is WITH his knowledge & he instructed me to write on it, furthermore, i dun stand to gain anything, not even 1 cent..

 

Is like help to write his name on behalf then i kanna tis case lor

 

These are the facts & i also jia lat?OMG..

 

I know this is no consolation, but you could have gotten him to SMS you his instruction... that way you would have a record of everything.

 

 

Wish you the best in clearing all this up.... like others have said, get your witness to back your story

Edited September 8, 2009 by Scoots

[Tigershark1976]

lesson of the day... do not anyhow sign for people, if really order to do so, put a BIG "f" beside the signature, then no one can sue u like that.... In fact, u should avoid signing anything for the company, push it to the next level....

[Jman888]

is this work related? you can get help through some free legal advice agency, if not MoM.

[Sgcop]

is this work related? you can get help through some free legal advice agency, if not MoM.

 

What are the free legal services?

MOM?, they are the one that now interogating me..

[Thug]

Quite straight forward. The Witness.

If u can't get him to recall, its ur words against his.

[David]

Sad to hear about your plight. Unless the person at the agency is willing to put his head on the chopping block, he s most likely to backout of it altogether. He may lose his job at the agency. His boss might lose a client unless the employer backs him up to stand against your Director.

 

This could have been a setup for you from the beginning if going by what you related here is true.

[Fireball0088]

Sorry to say, I think you are in DEEP SH*T.

 

1. You should not have signed

2. You should have ask the person there whether you can sign on behalf of the director. I think putting a "F" there doesn't do anything, if you cannot sign on behalf.

3. Does the director has to the right to give you the authority to sign on behalf of the company (assuming you are talking about a company's document)? Do you have the authority to sign?

 

Regardless, IMHO, I think you can only ask the witness to stand up for you and that you were ORDERED to sign on behalf. Also, you should have good a documentary evidence subsequently that you were ORDERED to sign on behalf.

 

Good luck.

[PointyEwe]

Although it could be difficult to prove, verbal communications and committments can be used as evidence in courts.

 

In my opinion, you should prove that you have absolutely nothing to gain from the fogery. Hence you have no motive.

Since A passed you the company chop basically means he had given you the mandate to sign on his behalf.

If you are not required to act on his behalf, why the fuxx he give you the com chop? Unless he reported that you stole it, then this will be a different story.

 

[Guyver]

Hi all,

 

First of all, sorry to hv to ask this question.(i dun understand law)

I do not contribute much to this forum thus i hope i'm forgiven.

 

Got into a maligned case & its driving me nuts,very stressed, keep hv to get leave for "interview" & my boss is not happy. Need some views on how to counter back or stay safe.I keep it in point form.

 

Director is A, B is me.

 

1. A has agreed to go down to agent to sign some docs on the following morning, my job is to accompany the A down.

 

2.That morning, A suddenly hv something on, could not make it but he pass me his company chop & instructed me to see what needs to be done first & do it.

 

3.On reaching the "agent's place", i found out is a piece of paper that need the A's >NRIC,Full Name,Position & Signature.I do not have any of his infos & also cannot sign for him because its forgery without his knowledge.

 

4.I gave him a call, told him i cannot do this & that, need his infos & signature, he told me over phone to fill in his infos for him.**I then ask him what bout the signature, he say write his name there> which i again ask him, how to spell. He say write XXX on the signature part, if anything happen, he will be answerable for it because he is the boss.I then followed his instructions> fill in his infos & write the XXX on the signature part.

 

(i hv witness tat hear the conversation as i on speaker jus to be on the safe side.)

 

5.Now, some @#$& happen> during interogation *Initially, A said he ask me to sign, then later part he change his statment to say> he only ask me to fill in his info for him.

 

*Meaning to say> i forge his signature without his knowledge?

 

How should i stay safe on this issue or fight my way with the allegations.

 

*I do not know the witness will say what, maybe he forgotten.

 

Any lawyers here or good powerful brain to help me think.I'm lost.

 

Thanks.

 

Did your name appear anywhere in the documents involved?

[Osiris]

Since A passed you the company chop basically means he had given you the mandate to sign on his behalf.

 

having access to the co. stamp does not grant one the right to sign any contract unless it is stated in the co. policy. ie delegation of authority

 

http://www.knowledgeleader.com/KnowledgeLe...tionofAuthority

 

i personally think that TS is being set up since the director should be well aware of the who can sign what up to how much.

 

 

 

 

[999]

U r scrape goat. Clearly without POA, what authority do u hold 2 sign on behalf?