Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 Skunk, you da man! Just sharing my own experience: I used to suffer from gout occasionally. The pain was excruciating. I always thought I broke my leg when gout hit me (cos I have had my ankle broken before). Yes, it is that painful. I had to use crutches to walk. Yes, I kept a pair of crutches for gout attacks. During the time, I ate a pretty "healthy" diet then. Plenty of whole grains like natural muesli, oatmeal, brown rice, wholemeal bread, plenty of fruits, fruit juices, some meat (all lean), zero red meat, will not touch any animal fat or skin at all. My doc keeps telling me to eat less meat, especially red meat. I kept telling him I didn't eat much meat at all (mostly chicken breast and fish) and totally zero red meat. In the end, he will shrug and give me some medication and send me home. Obviously he didn't believe me. After I switched over to low carb, high fat and moderate protein, minimised O6's from crappy oil and started an exercise program, I have not experienced gout even once. Maybe it's the saturated fat I'm eating, maybe it's the the ghee I'm cooking with, maybe it's the zero rice/noodles/bread/pasta, maybe it's the exercise, maybe it's the combination. I just know this works for me. Don't try, never know. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 now i really enjoy my food. red meat, bloody pink. fat.. fragrant oily soft and jelly like.. next.. thinking of smoking ribs without the sugar in the marinade.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk Clutched March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 almost all the guys i know that suffer from gout, are overweight and unhealthy, one of them dangerously obese. There's only 1 guy i know that's slim, and muscular and suffers from gout. That said, he's a hardcore drinker LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 A few more gout resources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7219473.stm http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/200...auses-gout.html And the mother of them all, by Gary Taubes: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/10/05/gout/ Gout and the condition known technically as hyperuricemia, or elevated levels of uric acid, are the most recent examples of this kind of institutional neglect of the potential health effects of fructose, and how pervasive it can be. Gout itself is an interesting example because it is a disease that has gone out of fashion in the last century and yet the latest reports suggest it is not only as prevalent as ever, but becoming more so. Recent surveys suggest that nearly 6 percent of all American men in their fifties suffer from gout, and over ten percent in their seventies. The proportion of women afflicted is considerably less at younger ages but still rises over 3 percent by age 60.(1) Moreover, the prevalence of gout seems to have doubled over the last quarter century, coincident (perhaps not coincidentally) with the reported increase in obesity, and it may have increased five- or even six-fold since the 1950s, although a large portion of that increase may be due to the aging of the population.(2) Until the late 17th century, when the spread of gout reached almost epidemic proportions in Britain, the disease afflicted almost exclusively the nobility, the rich and the educated, and so those who could afford to indulge an excessive appetite for food and alcohol. This made gout the original example of a disease linked to diet and over-consumption, and so, in effect, the original disease of civilization. But once gout became easily treatable, in the early 1960s, with the discovery of the drug allopuranol, clinical investigators and researchers began to lose interest. And the pathology of gout has been understood since the British physician Alfred Garrod, in the mid-19th century, identified uric acid as the causative agent; the idea being that uric acid accumulates in the circulation to the point that it falls out of solution, as a chemist would put it, and so crystallizes into needle-sharp urate crystals. These crystals then lodge in the soft tissues and in the joints of the extremities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 almost all the guys i know that suffer from gout, are overweight and unhealthy, one of them dangerously obese. Yup! I was a fat ass alright! But my new nickname given to me by a female friend whom I haven't seen in a while is "Mr Man Hunt", haha!! Who would've thought! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 30, 2010 Share March 30, 2010 now i really enjoy my food. red meat, bloody pink. fat.. fragrant oily soft and jelly like.. next.. thinking of smoking ribs without the sugar in the marinade.. That is the only reason it is feasibly sustainable for me. Enjoyment and satiety from the food. "Delicious" and "satisfying" at every meal makes me a very happy man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 (edited) For those who are concerned about low carb and kidney health: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20338292?dopt=Abstract J Am Diet Assoc. 2010 Apr;110(4):633-638. Renal Function Following Long-Term Weight Loss in Individuals with Abdominal Obesity on a Very-Low-Carbohydrate Diet vs High-Carbohydrate Diet. Brinkworth GD, Buckley JD, Noakes M, Clifton PM. A frequently cited concern of very-low-carbohydrate diets is the potential for increased risk of renal disease associated with a higher protein intake. However, to date, no well-controlled randomized studies have evaluated the long-term effects of very-low-carbohydrate diets on renal function. To study this issue, renal function was assessed in 68 men and women with abdominal obesity (age 51.5+/-7.7 years, body mass index [calculated as kg/m(2)] 33.6+/-4.0) without preexisting renal dysfunction who were randomized to consume either an energy-restricted ( approximately 1,433 to 1,672 kcal/day), planned isocaloric very-low-carbohydrate (4% total energy as carbohydrate [14 g], 35% protein [124 g], 61% fat [99 g]), or high-carbohydrate diet (46% total energy as carbohydrate [162 g], 24% protein [85 g], 30% fat [49 g]) for 1 year. Body weight, serum creatinine, estimated glomerular filtration rate and urinary albumin excretion were assessed before and after 1 year (April 2006-July 2007). Repeated measures analysis of variance was conducted. Weight loss was similar in both groups (very-low-carbohydrate: -14.5+/-9.7 kg, high-carbohydrate: -11.6+/-7.3 kg; P=0.16). By 1 year, there were no changes in either group in serum creatinine levels (very-low-carbohydrate: 72.4+/-15.1 to 71.3+/-13.8 mumol/L, high-carbohydrate: 78.0+/-16.0 to 77.2+/-13.2 mumol/L; P=0.93 time x diet effect) or estimated glomerular filtration rate (very-low-carbohydrate: 90.0+/-17.0 to 91.2+/-17.8 mL/min/1.73 m(2), high-carbohydrate: 83.8+/-13.8 to 83.6+/-11.8 mL/min/1.73 m(2); P=0.53 timexdiet effect). All but one participant was classified as having normoalbuminuria at baseline, and for these participants, urinary albumin excretion values remained in the normoalbuminuria range at 1 year. One participant in high-carbohydrate had microalbuminuria (41.8 mug/min) at baseline, which decreased to a value of 3.1 mug/min (classified as normoalbuminuria) at 1 year. This study provides preliminary evidence that long-term weight loss with a very-low-carbohydrate diet does not adversely affect renal function compared with a high-carbohydrate diet in obese individuals with normal renal function. Copyright Edited March 31, 2010 by Chickenbackside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 strange tat they said weight loss is similar for both groups?? . ang mo body too much reserve in carbo compared to asian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 Yup, no surprises. I have lost weight on a high carb diet before too. You just feel damn hungry all the time. The thing is, they didn't measure other health markers to see which group was healthier. But that doesn't matter. A Stanford University study already did. Low carb ALWAYS wins: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrocious 1st Gear March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 Thanks to both CBS and Skunk for answering my questions on Gout... I will try out the new fats diet and give you guys an update :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahleon Neutral Newbie March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 I'm curious on the ghee that u guys use for cooking...any brand recommendation or just wack any on display at the supermarket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbackside 1st Gear March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 I'm curious on the ghee that u guys use for cooking...any brand recommendation or just wack any on display at the supermarket? Very simple. Look at the ingredient list. There should only be 1 thing: 100% pure ghee or clarified butter. Don't buy anything that's not pure or that is hydrogenated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrocious 1st Gear March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 Very simple. Look at the ingredient list. There should only be 1 thing: 100% pure ghee or clarified butter. Don't buy anything that's not pure or that is hydrogenated. What about sauces for the meats? Can we use sauces like Tobasco or even soy sauce? What about condiments like cut chili etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 cut chilli is fine. what ever you buy from the super market shelves, just look at the ingredient list. look for the carbs % or % sugar, fructose, corn syrup.. etc.. and the hydrogenated BS. if in doubt, don't buy. but use your own head. if you can stand a bit of sugar or can't do without it, its up to your own control. important is you don't lose enjoyment of your food, and go crazy over counting calories and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1l0v3you Clutched March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 i had the world's awesomest lunchie! yes. 11am lunchie. i was hungwee. again. as usual. hahahaaa. my colleague ate with me and i had: 1 dollar worth of fried eggs with onions <- i believe this is not considered a low carb food 2 bucks steam egg<- 2 bucks is ALOT. 2 bucks of braised chicken<- chicken drummies and wings. and my collegue passed me about 6 pieces of roast pork. (some fatty some lean) i am feeling....satisfied. yummy~ dont think i'll be hungry till 11pm. my appetite is really big for a girl and i'm proud of it anyway, the cai fan auntie is so cute. i keep ordering the same things from her haha.. i ordered 2 different eggs and she was like, EGG AGAIN? she asked why and i told her i diet! and i asked her next tome cook more eggs cause sometimes by 1pm no more steam egg already LOL. and she thought i was joking hahaa. she said she will reserve a portion for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk Clutched March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 What about sauces for the meats? Can we use sauces like Tobasco or even soy sauce? What about condiments like cut chili etc? Tabasco sauce and soy sauce both contain sugar and carbs. Chilli also has carbs, as it's a fruit. But the amount of carbs is so small, i think it's ok to use in small amounts, although i don't use them at all as i want to keep daily carbs as low as possible. As long as u r just using a few drops and not drinking the entire bottle, or eating an entire chilli farm, it's ok wan lah. One way is to use only the chilli seeds, they contain all the spiciness and throw away the rest, which contain most of the carbs hehe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk Clutched March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 i had the world's awesomest lunchie! yes. 11am lunchie. i was hungwee. again. as usual. hahahaaa. my colleague ate with me and i had: 1 dollar worth of fried eggs with onions <- i believe this is not considered a low carb food 2 bucks steam egg<- 2 bucks is ALOT. 2 bucks of braised chicken<- chicken drummies and wings. and my collegue passed me about 6 pieces of roast pork. (some fatty some lean) i am feeling....satisfied. yummy~ dont think i'll be hungry till 11pm. my appetite is really big for a girl and i'm proud of it anyway, the cai fan auntie is so cute. i keep ordering the same things from her haha.. i ordered 2 different eggs and she was like, EGG AGAIN? she asked why and i told her i diet! and i asked her next tome cook more eggs cause sometimes by 1pm no more steam egg already LOL. and she thought i was joking hahaa. she said she will reserve a portion for me I understand most people have to eat out sometimes, unlike me, I eat almost all my meals at home....but MOST food outside have some sort of nonsense added to them, like ajinomoto or sugar. I won't be surprised there's sugar added in every dish, including the steamed egg. I ever seen entire SACKS of sugar being delivered to the cai-fan stall LOL. That's the way they make people addicted to their food. Carbohydrates, like sugar, has been found to be 4 times more addictive than cocaine. I would suggest eating as little as possible outside....maybe a tiny portion just to control your hunger, then go home and cook. Or just prepare food in lunch-boxes and heat it up in the office microwave. That's how i cook for my wife to bring to the office. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1l0v3you Clutched March 31, 2010 Share March 31, 2010 Tabasco sauce and soy sauce both contain sugar and carbs. Chilli also has carbs, as it's a fruit. But the amount of carbs is so small, i think it's ok to use in small amounts, although i don't use them at all as i want to keep daily carbs as low as possible. As long as u r just using a few drops and not drinking the entire bottle, or eating an entire chilli farm, it's ok wan lah. One way is to use only the chilli seeds, they contain all the spiciness and throw away the rest, which contain most of the carbs hehe. sat was my grandmother's bday and she noticed i slimmed down and i told her about the diet. and of course, she say no good. high cholestral bla bla bla. ask me to eat chilli.. after that, feel very hot and spicy, wont feel like eating. think think, makes sense LOL. but i cant possibly have chilli for every meal and the spicyness lasts only for like how long. i'll be hungry in like 15mins again haha.. but i entertained her and said, oh.. i try i try. if it works i tell you. and she was so happy cause i "listened" to her ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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