Call for public feedback on COE

[Mllcg]

remove the 10 yr scrap rule....nowadays, cars can be so well maintained and technology has made cars to be clean efficient.

 

so if every one can drive beyond 10yrs, I am sure many people will continue to maintain their car well, and whole onto the car longer.

 

i dont mind even if i have to pay 50k more. at least i choose when to destroy my car

[Ahbengdriver]

Just kick all the FTs out and reduce population back to 4 million, AND THERE LL BE NO ISSUES WITH coe

[Aventador]

The current PAP is doing a great job pissing off every voter segment

 

When they penalise the wealthy even further for buying premium cars and/or owning more than 1 car, the wealthy will still be able to afford it but will be pissed off

 

The COE will still be high and the middle class will still feel cars are too expensive

 

And the poor will still not be able to afford a car.

 

While the public transport system is still insufficiently effective to convert car oners

 

Everyone loses

 

Even the PAP , as they lose even more votes

 

Great job !

[Benarsenal]

The current PAP is doing a great job pissing off every voter segment

 

When they penalise the wealthy even further for buying premium cars and/or owning more than 1 car, the wealthy will still be able to afford it but will be pissed off

 

The COE will still be high and the middle class will still feel cars are too expensive

 

And the poor will still not be able to afford a car.

 

While the public transport system is still insufficiently effective to convert car oners

 

Everyone loses

 

Even the PAP , as they lose even more votes

 

Great job !

 

They like pressing the self-destruct button.

[Mllcg]

The current PAP is doing a great job pissing off every voter segment

 

When they penalise the wealthy even further for buying premium cars and/or owning more than 1 car, the wealthy will still be able to afford it but will be pissed off

 

The COE will still be high and the middle class will still feel cars are too expensive

 

And the poor will still not be able to afford a car.

 

While the public transport system is still insufficiently effective to convert car oners

 

Everyone loses

 

Even the PAP , as they lose even more votes

 

Great job !

 

only way to make all happy is to increase the quota which is what they cant/wont do.

[macrosszero]

You'll probably be very surprised at how many. Isn't that what Govt is encouraging?

 

Is not like many people now can afford to move out and have their own place anyway.

 

I probably may be surprised how many. But statistically it would still be the minority - because the HDB is building smaller apartments citing the trend towards smaller nuclear families. Out of your married friends how many still live with either of their parents? 20%? 10%? Probably not even that......

[Jwee85]

I propose to divert from car to motorcycle.

 

Allocate more motorcycle quotas, so as to reduce the Cat.D price down to $1.

There is no reason for motorcycle COE to be so high actually, since motorcycle seldom jams up the roads. Don't say about accidents, but then statistically, motorcycle accident seems to align with taxi frequency.

 

Those boderline case car owners maybe convinced to scrap their 7-10yeaers old car, and ride motorcycle instead.

Earlier post says this group of people are making noise, because they worried cannot afford a new car after their COE expire.

If public transport is too lousy as an option. Then make motorcycle as the next viable option.

Many nice and safe three wheels motorcycle now, Piaggio MP3 and ADVIA AD3 are two good examples.

 

 

[1fast1]

I propose to divert from car to motorcycle.

 

Allocate more motorcycle quotas, so as to reduce the Cat.D price down to $1.

There is no reason for motorcycle COE to be so high actually, since motorcycle seldom jams up the roads. Don't say about accidents, but then statistically, motorcycle accident seems to align with taxi frequency.

 

Those boderline case car owners maybe convinced to scrap their 7-10yeaers old car, and ride motorcycle instead.

Earlier post says this group of people are making noise, because they worried cannot afford a new car after their COE expire.

If public transport is too lousy as an option. Then make motorcycle as the next viable option.

Many nice and safe three wheels motorcycle now, Piaggio MP3 and ADVIA AD3 are two good examples.

 

Motorcycles are often regarded as dangerous, but that's mainly because they have to negotiate bigger vehicles.

 

OTOH, if *everyone* drove 2-wheelers, we'd free up a ton of space *and* riding would be quite safe. If shelter is an issue, there are covered 3-wheeler scooters, and those can be allowed.

 

Heavy vehicles would remain necessary for industry, but those can be restricted very strictly (under penalty of complete disqualification and loss of employment) to a single lane on the left with clear rules on when and how they can come out to make a turn to the right.

 

Just playing devil's advocate, haha.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Turboflat4

[Maseratigood]

make it mandatory by law that all car must be priced without coe and dealer cannot bid coe even with their agent

don't have simi coe rebate and all that s.hit

 

buyer must secured a coe first before able to buy a car. coe must be attached together for loan application or upon signing the purchase agreement if buy 100% cash.

 

with coe on hand, you walk into a showroom ... you are customer ...

now without coe ... you walk into a showroom ... you are beggar begging the dealer as they are the one has supernatural power to bid coe ... even you try to bid with them you cant up against their supernatural power

 

buyer bid coe online or via atm and got 3 months to buy the car. if buyer back out due to change of heart of loan disapprove, forfeit $2500 as admin fees and the coe must be returned to LTA for next bidding. no transfer or resell of coe is allowed.

 

we must CUT the dealer evil hand from touching the coe.

swee bo???

Swee!!

 

dealers have exploited the system for far too long......

[Maseratigood]

I propose to divert from car to motorcycle.

 

Allocate more motorcycle quotas, so as to reduce the Cat.D price down to $1.

There is no reason for motorcycle COE to be so high actually, since motorcycle seldom jams up the roads. Don't say about accidents, but then statistically, motorcycle accident seems to align with taxi frequency.

 

Those boderline case car owners maybe convinced to scrap their 7-10yeaers old car, and ride motorcycle instead.

Earlier post says this group of people are making noise, because they worried cannot afford a new car after their COE expire.

If public transport is too lousy as an option. Then make motorcycle as the next viable option.

Many nice and safe three wheels motorcycle now, Piaggio MP3 and ADVIA AD3 are two good examples.

To improve the life/comfort of bike riders, the bike can come with a simple, or stylish (if they want style) canopy, a compact cooling fan hidden in the canopy, etc etc, such convenience can also be provided in tri-bikes, or sidecars, etc.

 

The other main issue is to have strict enforcement of safe driving habits of trucks and other big vehicles so that bikers' safety can be improved.

[Maseratigood]

only way to make all happy is to increase the quota which is what they cant/wont do.

or making public transport irressitible?

[Maseratigood]

They like pressing the self-destruct button.

or enjoying self-inflicted pains

[Maseratigood]

Just kick all the FTs out and reduce population back to 4 million, AND THERE LL BE NO ISSUES WITH coe

i think proper control of the influx may work

[Maseratigood]

just keep releasing more COEs to keep costs low.

Jam up the roads and carparks.

naturally, nobody will wanna drive anymore.

Faster to ride bike to cycle to work

another form of "free" market forces? provided there's an alternative eg good public transport system to avoid traffic jams

[Mockngbrd]

Finally in front of a computer so i'll type my predictions:

 

 

1: COEs to be revised based on a combined permutation of the car's OMV / Engine capacity / Power output

 

2: Additional levies on individuals (or) households buying additional cars, current owners with multiple cars exempted.

 

3: Nothing else changes.

 

 

Effects:

 

The rich,

 

If levies imposed under individuals:

1: Those with multiple cars under one name will be penalized and will rightly be upset as they probably are not the ones who are skewing the COE to current levels, nor are they contributing to congestion on the roads as at any one time, only 1 car will be on the road.

 

2: Those with multiple cars in one family (mum/dad/sister/brother/maid) will just put ownership of the cars under different names which will make the levies moot.

 

But if imposed under households:

1: Those with multiple cars under one name, will probably be part of the population with more than one property. Levies moot. If not, same guy will just be upset over same reasons stated above.

 

2: Those with multiple cars in one family household will be upset, but will have to LL pay the levies. Considering that we are talking about the rich here, a household will probably mean a landed property, so i guess such levies will just be a minor inconvenience.

 

 

The man on the street currently crying foul because he cannot buy a new car after he missed out in 2009 while at the same time not viewing used cars as a viable option.

1: Will feel "victorious" of their "win" over the rich.

 

2: Will still not be able to buy a new car.

 

3: Will still such thumb end of the day, but he good because he made the "rich" pay more.

 

 

The middle class, with more than one generation currently living in an apartment (hdb or otherwise). Let's not kid ourselves that there are not many of these around. Prices of properties are at an all time high, so it is not wrong to assume there will be more than 1 person per household who needs a car for work or otherwise.

 

1: Cars will be more expensive but LL have to pay because of govt's "good intentions" for "social equity".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My solution? Just leave it as it is. It's all a cycle anyway, up and down, up and down. Srsly, all these changes are probably in the end just ensuring COEs will never crash again, and instead remain high. For $$$$$$ reasons of course.

 

Poor man on the street thinking he has victory over the rich will instead be pulling the middle income down.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Mockngbrd

[Benarsenal]

I probably may be surprised how many. But statistically it would still be the minority - because the HDB is building smaller apartments citing the trend towards smaller nuclear families. Out of your married friends how many still live with either of their parents? 20%? 10%? Probably not even that......

 

Here's the deal. Lesser people are getting married (or rather more are holding off getting married), due to rising costs and inability to get housing. So there is actually more and more single working adults FORCED to live with their parents because they simply cannot afford to get married, settle down and move out.

 

And Govt is actually not discouraging this. They are not exactly clear on their official line, but I highly suspect this is what they want also.

[Maseratigood]

Your points will need sometime to digess....

 

why not for those who want to drive second, third, cars etc be made to "rent or lease" it from a GIC rental campany on weekly/monthly basis if these drivers want to try out different models? win win mah, every month they can drive different cars, govt gets to control car population (thru GIC rental company fleet size). These cars will not sit idle at home (ie current situations in rich men's houses) most of the time but be rented out for actual use on the roads. on?

 

only thing: rich men cant own but only use these cars.

[Mockngbrd]

why not for those who want to drive second, third, cars etc be made to "rent or lease" it from a GIC rental campany on weekly/monthly basis if these drivers want to try out different models? win win mah, every month they can drive different cars, govt gets to control car population (thru GIC rental company fleet size). These cars will not sit idle at home (ie current situations in rich men's houses) most of the time but be rented out for actual use on the roads. on?

Thats just dumb. Might as well say singles no need get married, go to geylang try out different models better.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Mockngbrd