Wt_know Supersonic December 16, 2014 Share December 16, 2014 (edited) i would say ... it's the CAR Button become 1-time champion ... because of the car Vettel become 4-times champion ... the car definitely give him a HUGE advantage how come Vettel lose this year ... he has been driving fantastically for 4 years ... it's the car Hamilton can drive ... but without the CAR ... he cannot win race after race Just look at the race where Nico outbrake at 1st corner and drop to almost tail end and yet can finished No. 2 at podium (i know he used 1 set of tyres only) the CAR play at least 70-80% advantage ... driver only capatalise on the car competitiveness Look at Daniel Riccardo ... without a good car ... when he was in Red Bull second team ... he where got go up podium ... same driver ... different car another good example is Bottas ... without a good car ... he where got chance to go up podium did Bottas suddenly drive better than the champion like Alonso, Vettel, Kimi, etc? alonso ... i would concur he is an excellent driver ... 5 years in ferrari ... and yet cannot win ... good car + good driver = highly likely to win good car + ok ok driver = got chance to win lousy car + good driver = not likely to win CAR contributes 70-80% of the winning chances ... Edited December 16, 2014 by Wt_know ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 16, 2014 Share December 16, 2014 Some say its the car.. But then having said that, there were times in 2012 when Button seemed lost at sea while Hamilton was taking the car to P1 (though Ham did retire THREE times while in the lead) but i think SkyF1 has presented quite a good comparison.. It's harsh but I'd say McLaren paid the price in 2013/2014 for not having a tier 1 driver. Let's see how they go in 2015 with ALO around. IMO, Button is too safe a driver ie he doesn't take risks. To win, he needs others to make mistakes or he has a superior car. It is precisely cos both these 2 factors were missing over the last few years and that's why he was never in contention. That said, he is still useful as he's experienced and will be able to give valuable feedback esp with a new Engine partner in Honda next season. The real racers are Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and to a lesser extent Vettel. Upcoming ones would be Ricciardo, Grosjean, Bottas IMO 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 16, 2014 Share December 16, 2014 i would say ... it's the CAR Button become 1-time champion ... because of the car Vettel become 4-times champion ... the car definitely give him a HUGE advantage how come Vettel lose this year ... he has been driving fantastically for 4 years ... it's the car Hamilton can drive ... but without the CAR ... he cannot win race after race Just look at the race where Nico outbrake at 1st corner and drop to almost tail end and yet can finished No. 2 at podium (i know he used 1 set of tyres only) the CAR play at least 70-80% advantage ... driver only capatalise on the car competitiveness Look at Daniel Riccardo ... without a good car ... when he was in Red Bull second team ... he where got go up podium ... same driver ... different car another good example is Bottas ... without a good car ... he where got chance to go up podium did Bottas suddenly drive better than the champion like Alonso, Vettel, Kimi, etc? alonso ... i would concur he is an excellent driver ... 5 years in ferrari ... and yet cannot win ... good car + good driver = highly likely to win good car + ok ok driver = got chance to win lousy car + good driver = not likely to win CAR contributes 70-80% of the winning chances ... well written and I couldn't agree more!! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
revamp 3rd Gear January 5, 2015 Share January 5, 2015 Agreed agreed 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic January 5, 2015 Share January 5, 2015 (edited) It's funny ppl just look at individual drivers & numbers alone. It's still a team effort. Usually teams keep an experienced driver to give them the valuable car's feedback to improve on it and the other driver to be out there to collect as many points as possible. The car doesn't improve itself alone. It requires the driver's feedback to the engineers who doesn't or don't get to drive the car. Not all drivers know how to give feedback, some only know how to drive fast. Playing car's technology catch up is no overnight thing. The ever changing rules makes it very challenging. Edited January 5, 2015 by Watwheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic January 5, 2015 Share January 5, 2015 (edited) that's why i conclude that car contribute 70% of the winning chances yes, feedback from the driver is valuable and critical but if the team cannot improve the car ... no amount of feedback can make the team/driver win just look at alonso in ferrari for 5 years ... ferrari car cannot make it for 5 years ... It's funny ppl just look at individual drivers & numbers alone. It's still a team effort. Usually teams keep an experienced driver to give them the valuable car's feedback to improve on it and the other driver to be out there to collect as many points as possible. The car doesn't improve itself alone. It requires the driver's feedback to the engineers who doesn't or don't get to drive the car. Not all drivers know how to give feedback, some only know how to drive fast. Playing car's technology catch up is no overnight thing. The ever changing rules makes it very challenging. Edited January 5, 2015 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic January 5, 2015 Share January 5, 2015 that's why i conclude that car contribute 70% of the winning chances yes, feedback from the driver is valuable and critical but if the team cannot improve the car ... no amount of feedback can make the team/driver win just look at alonso in ferrari for 5 years ... ferrari car cannot make it for 5 years ... I dun look at it this way. There are just too many factors that contribute to winning the championship. Luck plays a part as well. There's no sure win for teams like Ferrari. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpmanz 5th Gear January 8, 2015 Share January 8, 2015 Korea GP is removed for e upcoming season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kac 4th Gear January 12, 2015 Share January 12, 2015 Should we rename this thread or should someone start a new one in Mar 2015? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianli Hypersonic January 12, 2015 Share January 12, 2015 Should we rename this thread or should someone start a new one in Mar 2015? Should start a new thread instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase01 Neutral Newbie February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Here's some additional source of F1 news - http://www.dafabetsports.com/en/formula1 McLaren boasts their new MP4-30 car.. Edited February 5, 2015 by Jase01 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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