Subaru Levorg

[wheelogist]

"Woah! things are getting hotter here!

 

I am not a Subaru owner, but I have to say a few things.

Not interested in AWD, 4WD as I do not see the necessity here in S'pore concrete jungle.

It only adds extra weight to the car and increases FC.

2WD is good enough for me, as I do not even drive out of S'pore.

 

But I can see why some prefer AWD, 4WD as it is perceived to be more stable in poor road conditions.

Everyone has their own opinion and to each their own.

One man's meat is another man's poison.

That is why there are many different types of cars to cater to everyone."

 

 

Fully agree with what you said. It's one's preference. I prefer AWD for more stability even on good road condition especially when it's wet and slippery and cornering. That to me is a safer drive. The trade-off is of course higher FC, which is ok to me. As I said in my earlier post, I treasure my life more when driving than higher FC. Others may think differently. It's your choice!

[Clement]

"Fully agree with what you said. It's one's preference. I prefer AWD for more stability even on good road condition especially when it's wet and slippery and cornering. That to me is a safer drive. The trade-off is of course higher FC, which is ok to me. As I said in my earlier post, I treasure my life more when driving than higher FC. Others may think differently. It's your choice!"

 

Just to add on to my earlier comments:

There is VSC/ASC feature which is also good for controlling a wheel which is loosing traction when cornering regardless of whether AWD/2WD.

It is available on some AWD/2WD cars, my car happens to have this feature even though it is 2WD.

 

 

 

[teomingern]

"Fully agree with what you said. It's one's preference. I prefer AWD for more stability even on good road condition especially when it's wet and slippery and cornering. That to me is a safer drive. The trade-off is of course higher FC, which is ok to me. As I said in my earlier post, I treasure my life more when driving than higher FC. Others may think differently. It's your choice!"

 

Just to add on to my earlier comments:

There is VSC/ASC feature which is also good for controlling a wheel which is loosing traction when cornering regardless of whether AWD/2WD.

It is available on some AWD/2WD cars, my car happens to have this feature even though it is 2WD.

Yup... that's very useful to have... all cars should have traction control as standard safety feature... but unfortunately the economics don't add up here and only the Cat B cars come with traction control and even then not every model.

[K20VTEC]

Yup... that's very useful to have... all cars should have traction control as standard safety feature... but unfortunately the economics don't add up here and

only the Cat B cars come with traction control and even then not every model.

 

Not all CAT A cars come without traction control. 

[jg2000]

Not all CAT A cars come without traction control. 

 

E.g. Subaru XV, which is CAT A, has Subaru's VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control system) which includes traction control.

 

This is how the Subaru traction works:

http://www.stanleysubaru.com/blog/2014/january/7/how-does-traction-control-work-what-is-subaru-traction-control.htm

 

In fact, even if you turn of VDC in a Subaru, it does not really turn off as it will still come back on automatically when it feels the car needs it.  Hence, need to find tricks to really by-pass it for those who want to do some drifting in a Subaru - which is already quite difficult to do as the AWD already make the car very stable and not easy to put into a drift unless you are in snow or mud.

Edited June 15, 2016 by jg2000

[teomingern]

Not all CAT A cars come without traction control.

Yes yes of course... but among the non-premium marques, I only know that Hyundai of Kia Cat A 1.6 L cars come with traction control as standard including the base trims. Not sure about Jap brands cos when I was buying my car a few months back, I didn't look at the Jap brands.

[Columbian78]

There are cat b cars without traction control and only 2 airbags. Example is sylphy

[jg2000]

E.g. Subaru XV, which is CAT A, has Subaru's VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control system) which includes traction control.

 

This is how the Subaru traction works:

http://www.stanleysubaru.com/blog/2014/january/7/how-does-traction-control-work-what-is-subaru-traction-control.htm

 

In fact, even if you turn of VDC in a Subaru, it does not really turn off as it will still come back on automatically when it feels the car needs it.  Hence, need to find tricks to really by-pass it for those who want to do some drifting in a Subaru - which is already quite difficult to do as the AWD already make the car very stable and not easy to put into a drift unless you are in snow or mud.

 

Just to correct myself, not all Subaru's have difficulty drifting.  Only those with AWD - including Levorg.

 

But there is one Subaru that is specifically made for drifting.

 

That is the Subaru BRZ (also re-badged as Toyota 86).

 

The BRZ is the only Subaru with no AWD and more importantly, it is jointly designed by Toyota and Subaru specifically to be the spiritual successor to the 1980s Toyota AE86 which is the most famous drifter in history (partly because it was a fantastic drifting machine and also because Japanese Manga comic Initial D uses that car as the main star and of course, Initial D gave rise to Fast and Furious movies etc).

 

Toyota gave recognition to that successor status by putting 86 into the name of its re-badged Toyota version of the Subaru BRZ (both are made by Subaru by the way - just different logo).

[Vyeron]

The tread has become the pro Subbie and trashing AWD discussion.. this should be about Levorg.

Subaru's AWD is about a choice, not a need. If you are not an owner before, you wont be able to enjoy the AWD just from test drive itself. Subbie is marketed more for lifestyle car in JPN - so if ones argument about FC and pickup as priority, then Subbie isnt the car for you.

Oh yeah, my 2.5 litre has better FC than CRV2.4, has AWD and seems to be heavier, so whats absolute? Its even better than my first '09 1.5 litre Subbie.

I hope people will start to be more objective that many smaller players are improving over the years.

 

I love the Levorg looks and interor qualitly. Any owner care to post some pics?

Edited June 15, 2016 by Vyeron

[teomingern]

Yes of course it's a choice... but in that choice, there are also many practical conditions, including fuel consumption. And this comes from a former owner. I struggle to get 10 km/L on my '07 Impreza. And it was a manual. Probably would have been worse if it was an automatic.

 

And yes of course I loved the AWD... you could really take curves and corners and power out of them. And when running at high speeds in the rain, you could have that sure-footedness that comes only from AWD.

 

I'm sure that the Levorg has all these qualities. But for potential owners who have never driven a Subaru before, these discussions we have been having are valid considerations...

 

But can I live without this AWD and with better fuel consumption... any time... that's why I switched.

[Vyeron]

Yes of course it's a choice... but in that choice, there are also many practical conditions, including fuel consumption. And this comes from a former owner. I struggle to get 10 km/L on my '07 Impreza. And it was a manual. Probably would have been worse if it was an automatic.

 

And yes of course I loved the AWD... you could really take curves and corners and power out of them. And when running at high speeds in the rain, you could have that sure-footedness that comes only from AWD.

 

I'm sure that the Levorg has all these qualities. But for potential owners who have never driven a Subaru before, these discussions we have been having are valid considerations...

 

But can I live without this AWD and with better fuel consumption... any time... that's why I switched.

 

'07 impreza .. thing has changed so much since. Its kinda irrelevant to Levorg which is rather different segment target. If I am driving a Yaris, doesn't mean i can take that experience to comment on Mark X since both are Toyota, rite?

But yeah I got your point that FC matters and AWD is a choice.

 

Not all AWD car owners are speedster and step full throttle during heavy rain 

[wheelogist]

'07 impreza .. thing has changed so much since. Its kinda irrelevant to Levorg which is rather different segment target. If I am driving a Yaris, doesn't mean i can take that experience to comment on Mark X since both are Toyota, rite?

But yeah I got your point that FC matters and AWD is a choice.

 

Not all AWD car owners are speedster and step full throttle during heavy rain

Exactly! If one were to compare the FC of say a fwd or rwd car made in the sixties or seventies, can it be better than the FC of levorg which is awd? Will I then tell the whole world that fwd and rwd cars are bad on fc just because I have owned and driven one in those era.

[Bird5011]

The tread has become the pro Subbie and trashing AWD discussion.. this should be about Levorg.

Subaru's AWD is about a choice, not a need. If you are not an owner before, you wont be able to enjoy the AWD just from test drive itself. Subbie is marketed more for lifestyle car in JPN - so if ones argument about FC and pickup as priority, then Subbie isnt the car for you.

Oh yeah, my 2.5 litre has better FC than CRV2.4, has AWD and seems to be heavier, so whats absolute? Its even better than my first '09 1.5 litre Subbie.

I hope people will start to be more objective that many smaller players are improving over the years.

 

I love the Levorg looks and interor qualitly. Any owner care to post some pics?

Agreed. Either you love AWD or not. But for me, I lOVE AWD!!! Fark the FC issues....because of AWD...this my second Subaru...

[wheelogist]

Agreed. Either you love AWD or not. But for me, I lOVE AWD!!! Fark the FC issues....because of AWD...this my second Subaru...

100% agree with you. For those whos main criteria is FC, go for electric car like tesla. No FC at all.

 

Incidentally a rolls-royce dawn which is only rwd and not awd, the FC is 7.1km/L and the Levorg with awd at 13.5km/L (both on printed spec sheet). Can I now claim that awd cars get better FC? Answer is obvious. Its not an apple to apple comparison.

[jg2000]

AWD is great even in Singapore conditions.

To get it in a Levorg is like getting the Audi Quattro experience at a great value.

 

(My earlier comments were more to highlight that Subaru make great cars - whether AWDs that have confidence in motion, or non-AWDs that are drift kings.

I myself have a Subaru AWD and greatly enjoy it.

Would have opted for the Levorg if my budget could have afforded it).

 

 

[Bird5011]

AWD is great even in Singapore conditions.

To get it in a Levorg is like getting the Audi Quattro experience at a great value.

 

(My earlier comments were more to highlight that Subaru make great cars - whether AWDs that have confidence in motion, or non-AWDs that are drift kings.

I myself have a Subaru AWD and greatly enjoy it.

Would have opted for the Levorg if my budget could have afforded it).

 

yeah...i am eyeing the Levorg and had test drive it....Subaru again for me...my present car is 2015 Legacy.

[BenTong]

Yes of course it's a choice... but in that choice, there are also many practical conditions, including fuel consumption. And this comes from a former owner. I struggle to get 10 km/L on my '07 Impreza. And it was a manual. Probably would have been worse if it was an automatic.

 

And yes of course I loved the AWD... you could really take curves and corners and power out of them. And when running at high speeds in the rain, you could have that sure-footedness that comes only from AWD.

 

I'm sure that the Levorg has all these qualities. But for potential owners who have never driven a Subaru before, these discussions we have been having are valid considerations...

 

But can I live without this AWD and with better fuel consumption... any time... that's why I switched.

the 1.5 subarus bo lak but many people buy Coz they think got lak.. So ppl hantam the accelerator to get the lak.. Then FC kena..

 

I had a 3.0 OB.. Average FC 8-9km/l.. Now drive 2016 OB avg 11-12km/l.

[Muser]

yeah...i am eyeing the Levorg and had test drive it....Subaru again for me...my present car is 2015 Legacy.

Any reason you want to change cars already? Unhappy with the Legacy? I'll probably end up keeping my 2016 Legacy for at least a decade, though that's partly cuz I no money to change cars often, hahah.