AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore missing - QZ8501

[Thaiyotakamli]

My speculative guess is the plane struck by lightning or got into serious turbulance.

 

Lightning fry the plane system, maybe that's why pilot cannot communicate with control tower for distress.

 

In any case of emergency, pilots are supposed to give distress call to control tower. If there is no distress call, it means something serious gone wrong.

Yah the lightning may affect the ability of plane to communicate with the control tower thus distress signal not detected

Yeah ....

 

Also playing "what if" ---

 

But what if a lightning strike happened to hit the cockpit window? What would happen? I don't know if this is possible but extremely unlikely or whether it is literally impossible.

 

Just remember - even if the odds are 75,000,000:1 it does happen sometimes

 

Guess we'll just have to wait for the black box to find out more...

 

But whatever the case - we do know that the pilot wanted to "avoid" the weather -

 

I remember seeing somewhere that it is possible that he should have flown "around" the weather once he was denied permission to go above - whether or not the operating parameters of a budget airline made him resistant to that is probably an unfair question, but something that may need to be looked into.

Maybe the control tower worried that planes may crash and resulting in two plane lost

 

 

Maybe u are right, the plane is budget thus have lesser priority and some request will be hard to be carried out

[Darryn]

Yah the lightning may affect the ability of plane to communicate with the control tower thus distress signal not detected

 

Maybe the control tower worried that planes may crash and resulting in two plane lost

 

 

Maybe u are right, the plane is budget thus have lesser priority and some request will be hard to be carried out

Oh...

 

I didn't mean that -

 

I wouldn't think that ATC would differentiate between carriers when a request was made.....

 

I meant that flying around the storm would add time and fuel - maybe, just maybe, a budget carrier is less willing to do this than a full service carrier because their whole operating scheme is quick turnaround -

 

and also, on a short flight - and extra 20 or 30 minutes is a big deal, but on a 10 or 12 hour flight, it doesn't matter so much...

 

Like I say - it's unfair to even suggest at the moment - but it may well be something they need to look at

[Evillusion]

Yeah ....

 

Also playing "what if" ---

 

But what if a lightning strike happened to hit the cockpit window? What would happen? I don't know if this is possible but extremely unlikely or whether it is literally impossible.

 

Just remember - even if the odds are 75,000,000:1 it does happen sometimes

 

Guess we'll just have to wait for the black box to find out more...

 

But whatever the case - we do know that the pilot wanted to "avoid" the weather -

 

I remember seeing somewhere that it is possible that he should have flown "around" the weather once he was denied permission to go above - whether or not the operating parameters of a budget airline made him resistant to that is probably an unfair question, but something that may need to be looked into.

na....lightning will be attracted to metal and will pass through the plane unless there is break in the electricity flow! Too many speculations abound.....but most prob kana hit by lightning....fry the electric control system and lost plane control.

[Atonchia]

 

I'm not so puzzled myself. They were probably panicking and too busy trying to stabalize the plane and extricate themselves out of this deadly spiral to report back to control. They probably didn't expect to crash too, hope always springs eternal.

 

I believe the same thing happened to the AF flight, i.e. they did not transmit a SOS or mayday or distress signal. What we know today is from the blackbox recording of what transpired verbally in the cockpit.. and I expect the same for this incident.

Think the term is call fixation? Too focus in diffusing a critical situation, putting secondary tasks aside.

[Thaiyotakamli]

Oh...

 

I didn't mean that -

 

I wouldn't think that ATC would differentiate between carriers when a request was made.....

 

I meant that flying around the storm would add time and fuel - maybe, just maybe, a budget carrier is less willing to do this than a full service carrier because their whole operating scheme is quick turnaround -

 

and also, on a short flight - and extra 20 or 30 minutes is a big deal, but on a 10 or 12 hour flight, it doesn't matter so much...

 

Like I say - it's unfair to even suggest at the moment - but it may well be something they need to look at

Oh i get it haha ps ps

 

Even increasing the altitude would cost more fuel than the optimal altitude.

 

 

But for the sake of safety i think budget airlines should not scrimp on it and gives the authorisation to pilot to handle the aircraft well

[Atonchia]

Just out of curiosity.

As we understand if there is a case of total electrical failure, will such situation cause these Fly-by-wire aircrafts deem uncontrollable?

 

Same sensation when no power steering, ie: when car engine fail, alternator not working, steering wheel is like seized.

[Thaiyotakamli]

Sg has yet to send their chinook, only superpuma

[Atonchia]

Oh i get it haha ps ps

 

Even increasing the altitude would cost more fuel than the optimal altitude.

 

 

But for the sake of safety i think budget airlines should not scrimp on it and gives the authorisation to pilot to handle the aircraft well

Not sure what type of storm clouds.

I think all military and civil aviation pilots knows

 

Never attempt to climb over cumulus nimbus storm cloud.

Which possible top >60k ft?

[Shibadog]

 

comparing how MY and Indo handle both air crashes, MY side is a real joke.

 

 

Indo has a much larger domestic air industry, and sad to say, much more experience in handling crashes in remote areas.

[Evillusion]

Not sure what type of storm clouds.

I think all military and civil aviation pilots knows

 

Never attempt to climb over cumulus nimbus storm cloud.

Which possible top >60k ft?

cumulus nimbus.....sounds exciting!

[Atonchia]

cumulus nimbus.....sounds exciting!

Wait till you see the mushroom top.

It's usually huge!

[Evillusion]

Wait till you see the mushroom top.

It's usually huge!

wah....a huge cumulus nimbus with mushroom top......lagi exciting! I joking lar......if i am on an aeroplane looking at what u described....i will be very worried! Edited December 31, 2014 by Eviilusion

[Darryn]

Looking for something and found THIS article ---

 

Not so relevant, but entertaining none the less...

[Vega]

cumulus nimbus.....sounds exciting!

This is also known as CB cloud. No joke. Go Google it. :-)

[Evillusion]

This is also known as CB cloud. No joke. Go Google it. :-)

hahaha....no need i believe you.......really.

[Lala81]

Not to be snide or anything, now you know why you pay the pilots a good salary to be your so called "bus driver".

 

45 seconds to save your life and hundreds others in an emergency.

Life is really uncertain and fragile.

 

Next time if i encounter bad turbulence, sure balls drop.

[Goldbug]

 

 

Indo has a much larger domestic air industry, and sad to say, much more experience in handling crashes in remote areas.

 

the previous Garuda crashes prepared them well

[2BDriver]

MALAYSIA Six bodies, including one crew member of AirAsia flight QZ8501 recovered, CNN reports

PUBLISHED: DECEMBER 31, 2014 09:40 AMUPDATED: DECEMBER 31, 2014 12:06 PM

Indonesian Navy ship KRI Yos Sudarso takes part in the search operation for missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501, as seen from an Indonesian Hercules aircraft, south of Pangkalan Bun, central Kalimantan December 30, 2014. — Reuters pic

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 31— Six bodies from missing AirAsia flight QZ8501, including one flight attendant has been recovered so far, US broadcaster CNN reported this morning quoting Indonesian search-and-rescue officials.

“Six bodies from AirAsia QZ8501 have been recovered, including one crew, Indonesia’s top search and rescue official says,” said a CNN report on its website quoting Indonesian search and rescue chief Bambang Soelistyo as saying.

The report also quoted him as saying that the six bodies recovered comprised of three men and three women, and that one of the women found was wearing a flight attendant’s uniform.

Yesterday the search chief said just three bodies had been recovered so far, after another official had claimed 40 had been found.

AFP quoted navy spokesman Manahan Simorangkir as saying that according to naval radio a warship had recovered more than 40 bodies from the sea.

But It was clarified later that the report was the result of a miscommunication.

Flight QZ8501 had a total of 162 people on board, 155 of which were Indonesians, three South Koreans, one Malaysian, one Singaporean, one Frenchman and one Briton. No Chinese nationals were on board.

Aircraft debris and some bodies from Flight QZ8501 were discovered yesterday from the Java Sea off the coast of Borneo, about two and a half days after the A320 jet was reported to have lost contact with Indonesian air traffic control.

A search-and-rescue effort by nine countries involving at least 15 aircraft and 30 ships have yet to recover any survivors.

Bad weather in the monsoon-prone region halted recovery efforts this morning, international newswire AFP reported Indonesia’s air force rescue coordinator S.B. Supriyadi as saying.

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