BPL 15/16 - The New Season Part 1

[Getzsfv]

To get maximum points after 2 games in a good result, regardless how they play... Its just the starting of the season and the players will need to gel with one another.

[Osprey23]

To get maximum points after 2 games in a good result, regardless how they play... Its just the starting of the season and the players will need to gel with one another.

Totally agree bro, happy with getting full points but share the concern with bro ktg that with BR's tinkering with the formations, it will make Pool more difficult to gel. The likes of Gomez and Ibe can't last the season. At some point, they need a break.

 

Tough test at the Emirates next week.

[Fooblack]

To get maximum points after 2 games in a good result, regardless how they play... Its just the starting of the season and the players will need to gel with one another.

 

think it's always good to see a team playing well. but at this stage of the season, getting the points on the board first is all that matters.

 

BR usually needs a bit (or alot) troubleshooting time before he lands a good and effective formation that allows the team to click. So, at least he has some pts in the bag to give him some space and buy some credit before the fans start complaining again haha.

 

What i like from the 2 wins is the 2 clean sheets. most successful teams can win because they can 1st defend and not concede. Then they can build their formations and play to score. To defend well is quite a rarity to say for BR's teams...

[Osprey23]

After second round, although still early I will predict

1)MC

2)Ars

3)Chelsea

4)MU

5)Everton

6)Liver

7)Lei/Swansea

19)Newc

20)Sunderland

Sorry bro but are you an Everton fan?

[Fooblack]

Totally agree bro, happy with getting full points but share the concern with bro ktg that with BR's tinkering with the formations, it will make Pool more difficult to gel. The likes of Gomez and Ibe can't last the season. At some point, they need a break.

 

Tough test at the Emirates next week.

 

BR's focus for this part of the new season is getting a consistent shape. however, I think as the game progressed, he started mix and match to get into experimentation mode. Also partly due to the withdrawal of Hendro in the 51st min.

 

For this home game, i expected BR to be more open and use a 4-3-3. Instead he maintained a 4-2-3-1 which is tight at the back but restrained the mobility of Hendro and Milner thru the centre.

 

I would have played Moreno as he will inject more pace and offensive power. But Gomez has chosen for defensive stability.

 

What is pretty pleasing is how Benteke is settling. He is getting more mobile and his link up play with Coutinho is already showing plenty of promise. Things should get better when Firmino gets up to speed and likely to replace Lallana who is pretty disappointing in the last 2 games.

 

Ibe may eventually be given some rest. Esp if BR reverts to a 4-3-3. But with a 4-2-3-1 whereby he is one of the rare out and out winger in the squad, he will definitely get more game time.

[Osprey23]

 

BR's focus for this part of the new season is getting a consistent shape. however, I think as the game progressed, he started mix and match to get into experimentation mode. Also partly due to the withdrawal of Hendro in the 51st min.

 

For this home game, i expected BR to be more open and use a 4-3-3. Instead he maintained a 4-2-3-1 which is tight at the back but restrained the mobility of Hendro and Milner thru the centre.

 

I would have played Moreno as he will inject more pace and offensive power. But Gomez has chosen for defensive stability.

 

What is pretty pleasing is how Benteke is settling. He is getting more mobile and his link up play with Coutinho is already showing plenty of promise. Things should get better when Firmino gets up to speed and likely to replace Lallana who is pretty disappointing in the last 2 games.

 

Ibe may eventually be given some rest. Esp if BR reverts to a 4-3-3. But with a 4-2-3-1 whereby he is one of the rare out and out winger in the squad, he will definitely get more game time.

Home or away, I believe we should really go 4-3-3. The back 4 can have Moreno back as the LB so that we can go down both wings. Can as the holding mid will act as the shield. If Gomez is to play, can also take over from one of the current 2 CBs. Can holding can also release Milner and Hendo to press further up and support attack.

 

Ibe can play the wide role in the front 3 too. Use him as an impact sub. His pace can trouble fullbacks late in games. Only person who will lose out is Lallana who is poor anyway. I do hope that we are not doing that is due to the fitness level of Can and Firmino.

 

I really really hope BR ditched this 4-2-3-1 at the Emirates.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Osprey23

[Spring]

Home or away, I believe we should really go 4-3-3. The back 4 can have Moreno back as the LB so that we can go down both wings. Can as the holding mid will act as the shield. If Gomez is to play, can also take over from one of the current 2 CBs.

 

Ibe can play the wide role in the front 3 too. Use him as an impact sub. His pace can trouble fullbacks late in games. Only person who will lose out is Lallana who is poor anyway. I do hope that we are not doing that is due to the fitness level of Can and Firmino.

 

I really really hope BR ditched this 4-2-3-1 at the Emirates.

Interesting you mention 4-3-3, means only 1 holding MF right?

 

I brought this up cos I read Fabregas being accused of being too weak defensively to partner Matic and thus caused Chelsea's defence to be exposed against City on Sunday.

My take is 1 holding MF (DM) is sufficient but these days most teams play 2 in a 4-2-3-1 formation which is the favoured formation of most teams. Whilst 4-3-3 is a different set-up altogether, it is more attacking than 4-2-3-1 I feel and I personally like it if you have the right players for it.

 

My point is do you really need 2 Dms? I know the standard answer would be depends on who you playing but still feel 2 DMs not really necessary. Your views and anyone else's for that matter?

[Fooblack]

Home or away, I believe we should really go 4-3-3. The back 4 can have Moreno back as the LB so that we can go down both wings. Can as the holding mid will act as the shield. If Gomez is to play, can also take over from one of the current 2 CBs. Can holding can also release Milner and Hendo to press further up and support attack.

 

Ibe can play the wide role in the front 3 too. Use him as an impact sub. His pace can trouble fullbacks late in games. Only person who will lose out is Lallana who is poor anyway. I do hope that we are not doing that is due to the fitness level of Can and Firmino.

 

I really really hope BR ditched this 4-2-3-1 at the Emirates.

 

i tend to think BR wont change formation at the Emirates cos the focus wont be going for the 3 pts but to avoid being beaten. the 4-2-3-1 has proven to him that it will be defensively sound with 2 clean sheets in the bag. I think BR will play safe and wont alter to a 4-3-3 unless players aren't fit.

 

for e.g. if hendro is injured, i dun think BR will Can as his direct replacement without altering the shape of the team. More likely to play 4-3-3 possibly moving Coutinho to a central midfield area.

[Osprey23]

 

i tend to think BR wont change formation at the Emirates cos the focus wont be going for the 3 pts but to avoid being beaten. the 4-2-3-1 has proven to him that it will be defensively sound with 2 clean sheets in the bag. I think BR will play safe and wont alter to a 4-3-3 unless players aren't fit.

 

for e.g. if hendro is injured, i dun think BR will Can as his direct replacement without altering the shape of the team. More likely to play 4-3-3 possibly moving Coutinho to a central midfield area.

If he doesn't switch, I am afraid we stand little chance. To get anything out of that tie.

 

If I am Wenger, this is what I am going to do:

 

1) 4-2-3-1, have Giroud sticks to Skrtel. Direct ball on the break down the left channel to exploit the space behind Clyne.

 

2) play Sanchez on the right wing and target Gomez

 

3) Coequlin on Coutinho, don't let him get the ball. Push him wide

 

4) Ozil to operate between the lines and left channel to allow Giroud to take up attacking position

 

5) both fullbacks to attack at will.

 

The key is the midfield matchup. If Hendo is not fit enough and Can to take his place, Can must be the dedicated DM to track Ozil. Else, if it is the same old Hendo-Milner taking turn, Ozil will find space and time to destroy us.

 

Hence I actually prefer a 4-3-3 with the midfield triangle matching theirs. Can on Ozil, Milner-Hendo pushed up to peg Carzola back and overload Coequlin on the break.

 

If BR insist on playing it safe, then he needs to take the caution approach, play deep and go long to Benteke. May get something from set pieces or long range shot from Coutinho

[Hshs]

Sorry bro but are you an Everton fan?

I am not Everton fan. I know many Pool fans will wonder why they below Everton. Btw this is just my prediction. Feel that Pool squad this year

weaker than last season(I may be wrong. Because sometime team work play a very important role also). And Everton have the habit to finish top six even though they without any big name in their team.

Fyi, I am the big fan of Ian Rush, John Barn and Kelvin Keegan.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Hshs

[Osprey23]

I am not Everton fan. I know many Pool fans will wonder why they below Everton. Btw this is just my prediction. Feel that Pool squad this year

weaker than last season(I may be wrong. Because sometime team work play a very important role also). And Everton have the habit to finish top six even though they without any big name in their team.

Fyi, I am the big fan of Ian Rush, John Barn and Kelvin Keegan.

Differing opinion is fine bro, no worries.

 

Everton I feel will very depends on keeping Barkley and Lukaku fit. Their ability to hold on to Stones might be defining too.

 

I am not really confident of Pool finishing top 4, especially no Man City are finding form. Need us to overachieve again and one of the top 4 to underachieve to stand a chance. However, I am quite confident of finishing above the Blues of merseyside as I feel our squad has a stronger depth than theirs. Their advantage over us probably would be the lack of Europe commitment

[Getzsfv]

My prediction:-

 

MANU

MANC

ARSENAL

LIVERPOOL

CHELSEA- Mourine got sacked... LOL

[Galantspeedz]

My prediction:-

 

MANU

MANC

ARSENAL

LIVERPOOL

CHELSEA- Mourine got sacked... LOL

 

Sorry bro but are you an Liverpool fan?

[Othello]

My prediction:-

 

MANU

MANC

ARSENAL

LIVERPOOL

CHELSEA- Mourine got sacked... LOL

 

ha ha ha !! very optimistic

[Othello]

 

Sorry bro but are you an Liverpool fan?

 

Pool fan will never put ManU at 1st

[Bacteria83]

 

Pool fan will never put ManU at 1st

 

Never put man utd last very nice already

[Galantspeedz]

 

Pool fan will never put ManU at 1st

 

is actually trolling o23.... haha.... because that MCFer put everton quite high up

[Bismarck]

Interesting you mention 4-3-3, means only 1 holding MF right?

 

I brought this up cos I read Fabregas being accused of being too weak defensively to partner Matic and thus caused Chelsea's defence to be exposed against City on Sunday.

My take is 1 holding MF (DM) is sufficient but these days most teams play 2 in a 4-2-3-1 formation which is the favoured formation of most teams. Whilst 4-3-3 is a different set-up altogether, it is more attacking than 4-2-3-1 I feel and I personally like it if you have the right players for it.

 

My point is do you really need 2 Dms? I know the standard answer would be depends on who you playing but still feel 2 DMs not really necessary. Your views and anyone else's for that matter?

4231 can be pretty attacking if the set up is right. If I set up my team in this formation, my fullback will be require to do a lot of overlapping and attacking. Crosses will most likely come from them too. So if the best man for the job uses this formation, Clyne and Moreno should be the preferred choice for full back role and allow the 2 defensive midfielders to cover for them when needed.

 

The term defensive midfielder was created because of the no. 10 role. Teams that like to have one main striker and the other "striker" having a free role between the lines of midfields and forwards can create chance and space to attack from there. If the centre back follow the no. 10 to mark him, there will be gaps in the centre defence and allow attacking midfielders to run from deep to exploit the gap. That's why a defensive midfielder comes into play. Not only that, it helps to control the centre circle and pull strings from there. Players like David batty and French coach didier deschamps though not very skillful but their ball keeping, simple passing and tackling and ability to sense danger are important for this role. Such players do not need to have outstanding passing or goal scoring ability.

 

In recent times some managers start to believe you don't really need such players as the game has envoled into a more dynamic style where even the most skillful have to do pressing, wingers must have the ability to run up and down to protect the flanks and double up as strikers when needed as most teams play with one real striker. Quickly get the ball back and hit the opponent before they get their team shape back. Having defensive midfielders are more about controlling and possessions as well what I mentioned earlier.

 

My view is since the best man for the job doesn't believe in having defensive midfielder, go for dynamic box to box midfielders instead. Can and Milner can do that and are more suited for such role.