Age Like Old Wine or Milk Till The Last Drop

[Carbon82]

Dealing with uncertainty in the future of automotive development, many manufacturers are stretching their R&D dollars by turning to 2nd or 3rd facelift for their decade old models, or launching "new" models which is basically an old model with a set of new cloth. Will you consider getting such old wine or a brand new model?

Some example for a better illustrations.

Volvo XC60, XC90, S90

 

Toyota Camry

 

Lexus IS

 

BMW 1 Series

[ER-3682]

During the Mercedes Benz W126 Era,that Model sold for 12 Years,even the last few units of ''Classic'' Model,People snap up,because when they saw the W140's Pictures,nobody like it.!

[inlinesix]

3g Cayenne was heavily facelifted in 2023 which will extend its product life beyond 2025

[Tohto]

The XC60 still look good with tge facelift.. interior with the lager LCD also make it look more modern.

Hopefully it come with a proper turbo hybrid instead of mild hybrid.

 

[Gnahp]

I always buy end of the line of a car model

don't like to chiong first to own a totally brand new model

facelift car using previous generation engine gearbox even better

 

[Volvobrick]

Got proper handles and some buttons. OK lah still got niche market. 

[Inlinefour]

1er nose hair grow slanted 

[107fan]

On 4/19/2025 at 5:12 PM, Carbon82 said:

Dealing with uncertainty in the future of automotive development, many manufacturers are stretching their R&D dollars by turning to 2nd or 3rd facelift for their decade old models, or launching "new" models which is basically an old model with a set of new cloth. Will you consider getting such old wine or a brand new model?

Some example for a better illustrations.

Volvo XC60, XC90, S90

 

Toyota Camry

 

Lexus IS

 

BMW 1 Series

Can't believe I am saying this but the beemer seems to have the nicest interiors

[Benarsenal]

Cars are like tech products now. Constantly updated and revised to keep it up to date, but the basic hardware architecture remains mostly unchanged.

Look at Tesla. All their cars never get full replacement, only updates once in a while.

[Tohto]

On 4/19/2025 at 10:38 PM, Benarsenal said:

Cars are like tech products now. Constantly updated and revised to keep it up to date, but the basic hardware architecture remains mostly unchanged.

Look at Tesla. All their cars never get full replacement, only updates once in a while.

I only know they get too much cost cutting.

Even signal stalk also removed...

[Mkl22]

I find all the latest ICE engines like shit and not reliable. So many rubbish valves and gizmos to meet emissions and yet need to give good power. All will break much faster and cost a bomb to fix. 
EV or hybrid with a simple power generating engine from Toyota will probably be something I will look for. 

[Knighthunter]

From all above Volvo engine still using timing belt, their engine development is stagnant.

[Volvobrick]

On 4/20/2025 at 9:02 AM, Knighthunter said:

From all above Volvo engine still using timing belt, their engine development is stagnant.

Those already downgraded to 4 cylinders. Any more developments means becoming half a I6. 

And alternative to timing belt is chain. Each has its pro and con.

I am sticking to the 5-potter.

 

Edited April 20 by Volvobrick

[Mkl22]

On 4/20/2025 at 9:09 AM, Volvobrick said:

Those already downgraded to 4 cylinders. Any more developments means becoming half a I6. 

And alternative to timing belt is chain. Each has its pro and con.

I am sticking to the 5-potter.

 

Conti timing chain also needs replacement like a belt. If not the chain, then the sprockets and chain guides. 

 

[Tohto]

On 4/20/2025 at 9:02 AM, Knighthunter said:

From all above Volvo engine still using timing belt, their engine development is stagnant.

Ask TS, he driving one now.

[Tohto]

On 4/20/2025 at 9:09 AM, Volvobrick said:

Those already downgraded to 4 cylinders. Any more developments means becoming half a I6. 

And alternative to timing belt is chain. Each has its pro and con.

I am sticking to the 5-potter.

 

Oñly the older 2.5L T5 come with 5 cylinder. 

When the 850 was first introduced in mid 90s, uncle owned one. Love the engine sound. It was so nice. 

[inlinesix]

On 4/20/2025 at 10:14 AM, Tohto said:

Oñly the older 2.5L T5 come with 5 cylinder. 

When the 850 was first introduced in mid 90s, uncle owned one. Love the engine sound. It was so nice. 

That’s why there are followers for Audi RS3

Edited April 20 by inlinesix

[Volvobrick]

On 4/20/2025 at 10:14 AM, Tohto said:

Oñly the older 2.5L T5 come with 5 cylinder. 

When the 850 was first introduced in mid 90s, uncle owned one. Love the engine sound. It was so nice. 

Even older there was a 2.0 T5. Also very sweet.  Revs better but less torque at lower rev.