Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Why limit yourself to just 6-speed. Just top up a little bit more and enjoy the 7-speed. Go test drive the Mercedes-Benz 7G-Tronic transmission. that's 5+2 5 forward gear + 2 reverse gear So comparing on the same platform against the VW Audi and BMW, that's 5 speed. sorry bro... that's a downgrade. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Mostly "assembled" in Germany rather than "made" there nowadays... Auto transmission or manual or torque converter or synchronizer or whatever. .. ask have numerous seals and gaskets. It is not the selection of auto or manual or semi auto that matters. It's how it's engineered and produced.Define made in Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 that's 5+2 5 forward gear + 2 reverse gear So comparing on the same platform against the VW Audi and BMW, that's 5 speed. sorry bro... that's a downgrade. 7-G tronic is a 7 speed transmission according to the easily googled wikipedia... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 7-G tronic is a 7 speed transmission according to the easily googled wikipedia... yah. there are 7 gears in the gearbox. 7 G tronic 5 forward + 2 reverse DSG6 6 Forward + 1 reverse Porsche PDK 7 forward + 1 reverse BMW ZF 8HP 8 forward + 1 reverse Landrover ZF 9HP 9 forward + 1 reverse Tell me... which one is the downgrade. hehehe... Mostly "assembled" in Germany rather than "made" there nowadays... how do you mean assembled in Germany? So the steering rack is assembled in Germany? The brake caliper is assembled in Germany? The gearbox is assembled in Germany? hmm... let's talk about the bmw 8 speed gearbox made by Zf. bmw assembled the gearbox or zf assembled the gearbox? So they assembled both in Germany? no more such thing bro... This is an international market. Global sourcing, as long as the engineering and design plus quality enforcement meets requirement, best price gets the business. BMW is a german brand running on german quality system and process. The rest are global. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 yah. there are 7 gears in the gearbox. 7 G tronic 5 forward + 2 reverse DSG6 6 Forward + 1 reverse Porsche PDK 7 forward + 1 reverse BMW ZF 8HP 8 forward + 1 reverse Landrover ZF 9HP 9 forward + 1 reverse Tell me... which one is the downgrade. hehehe... how do you mean assembled in Germany? So the steering rack is assembled in Germany? The brake caliper is assembled in Germany? The gearbox is assembled in Germany? hmm... let's talk about the bmw 8 speed gearbox made by Zf. bmw assembled the gearbox or zf assembled the gearbox? So they assembled both in Germany? no more such thing bro... This is an international market. Global sourcing, as long as the engineering and design plus quality enforcement meets requirement, best price gets the business. BMW is a german brand running on german quality system and process. The rest are global. Hahaha... you need to check properly... I'd venture that the overall assembly of the car takes place there. Individual components or sub-assemblies are typically from LCCs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Hahaha... you need to check properly... I'd venture that the overall assembly of the car takes place there. Individual components or sub-assemblies are typically from LCCs Then the question comes in. how overall is overall? and you sure the individual or sub assemblies are typically from the LCC or sub LCC? There is a whole network, my dear friend... Maybe you want to check with the real experts? there's a Bosch office in Singapore, zf is here too. Trw is also here. hahaha... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baal Supersonic January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 If I take it that ur post are accurate, you remind of another mcfer, who seem to have in-depth industry tech knowledge. Actually why would an AT box need 2 reverse ratios? About the global part,.....that's also why I can only say my car is labeled as MIJ. But I ever saw a bobo advertisement........stating "completely made in Sweden". In any case, do you if there is an industry standard, with certain criteria to be met before a vehicle can be labeled as MIG, MIJ, MIT or otherwise? yah. there are 7 gears in the gearbox. 7 G tronic 5 forward + 2 reverse DSG6 6 Forward + 1 reverse Porsche PDK 7 forward + 1 reverse BMW ZF 8HP 8 forward + 1 reverse Landrover ZF 9HP 9 forward + 1 reverse Tell me... which one is the downgrade. hehehe... how do you mean assembled in Germany? So the steering rack is assembled in Germany? The brake caliper is assembled in Germany? The gearbox is assembled in Germany? hmm... let's talk about the bmw 8 speed gearbox made by Zf. bmw assembled the gearbox or zf assembled the gearbox? So they assembled both in Germany? no more such thing bro... This is an international market. Global sourcing, as long as the engineering and design plus quality enforcement meets requirement, best price gets the business. BMW is a german brand running on german quality system and process. The rest are global. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 If I take it that ur post are accurate, you remind of another mcfer, who seem to have in-depth industry tech knowledge. Actually why would an AT box need 2 reverse ratios? About the global part,.....that's also why I can only say my car is labeled as MIJ. But I ever saw a bobo advertisement........stating "completely made in Sweden". In any case, do you if there is an industry standard, with certain criteria to be met before a vehicle can be labeled as MIG, MIJ, MIT or otherwise? nah.. there are many people in the car industry hanging around. I have been in the forum for many years but I am not that expert. I just go to the right source for the info. as for why the AT box need 2 reverse ratios is something only the design and development team of Mercedes benz can answer. yeah. agreed. that completely made in Sweden is quite bobo. No way in today's context. Maybe for some F&B. This criteria you spoke about has been in the discussion also. They say a certain percentage but seriously, nowadays, no one can manage that percentage that easily. Like some Mercedes benz are built in Bremen of Germany. But they source many parts from Italy, Austria, Russia, USA and China which have to follow the quality and engineering specs specified in Germany. Some higher end electronic German and American brand parts are assembled in Singapore like Sanmina SCI who also provide for the automotive industry. They have customers all over the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 (edited) Then the question comes in. how overall is overall? and you sure the individual or sub assemblies are typically from the LCC or sub LCC? There is a whole network, my dear friend... Maybe you want to check with the real experts? there's a Bosch office in Singapore, zf is here too. Trw is also here. hahaha... Overall means just that... overall... Yes I am sure, you do know typically means "usually" right? btw what's a sub-LCC? I am not talking about just gearboxes, you mean they are experts in every component making up a car? Edited January 26, 2016 by L_club23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Overall means just that... overall... Yes I am sure, you do know typically means "usually" right? I am not talking about just gearboxes, you mean they are experts in every component making up a car? I think you aren't even sure about what you are talking. It is ok. don't worry. I wasn't sure too until I checked with my sources. It is not usually. Every part is a combined effort of a network of expertise. There are people from festo who make solenoid parts for vehicles, Continental or Sanmina SCI who make PCB for electric power steering makers, siam steel who make steel components for your Korean or Japanese brand clutch pressure plate who ends up in an American brand car who was partly assembled in mexico before being transferred to the USA for final assembly process. The world is too wide to be confined in one place. Printed Made in China could carry Japanese designed parts, Marked Made in Germany could carry Chinese produced inner components, Nowadays I don't care anymore. I just listen to my friends who told me concentrate on the brand and model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 I think you aren't even sure about what you are talking. It is ok. don't worry. I wasn't sure too until I checked with my sources. It is not usually. Every part is a combined effort of a network of expertise. There are people from festo who make solenoid parts for vehicles, Continental or Sanmina SCI who make PCB for electric power steering makers, siam steel who make steel components for your Korean or Japanese brand clutch pressure plate who ends up in an American brand car who was partly assembled in mexico before being transferred to the USA for final assembly process. The world is too wide to be confined in one place. Printed Made in China could carry Japanese designed parts, Marked Made in Germany could carry Chinese produced inner components, Nowadays I don't care anymore. I just listen to my friends who told me concentrate on the brand and model. I am sure and didn't I just say that parts are typically from LCCs? When did I ever imply the manufacture to be confined to a single location? You really gotta improve your level of understanding of English... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fels 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 I am sure and didn't I just say that parts are typically from LCCs? When did I ever imply the manufacture to be confined to a single location? You really gotta improve your level of understanding of English... HAHAHA!!!... it's ok. I understand your ego have needs. enjoy your day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 HAHAHA!!!... it's ok. I understand your ego have needs. enjoy your day. Seriously...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7hm Turbocharged January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Many wrong info bro… haha. Porsche PDK made by ZF is 7 speed. The 8 speed is the torque converter planetary transmission offered to BMW. The VW DSG dry clutch DQ200 for the 7 speed is the one infamous is made by LuK not Borg Warner. Mechatronic didn’t corrode. The mechatronic failed due to heat dissipation problems and fluid selection issues. well this is the info i found, that there are some PDKs going up to 8-speed. I thought I remembered a 8-speed PDK in Panamera at some point. A quick search suggests that PDK is an Aisin box! DQ200 is made by LuK? My last info was it was designed by BorgWarner/VW and manufactured in-house by VW. I'm aware it's mechatronics corrosion due to the oil. Define made in Germany Assembled in Germany factory of course. Presumably Wolfsburg. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuelsaver Supercharged January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Many wrong info bro… haha. Porsche PDK made by ZF is 7 speed. The 8 speed is the torque converter planetary transmission offered to BMW. The VW DSG dry clutch DQ200 for the 7 speed is the one infamous is made by LuK not Borg Warner. Mechatronic didn’t corrode. The mechatronic failed due to heat dissipation problems and fluid selection issues. bro, does it mean if mechatronic issues r resolved, 7spd dsg will b generally problem free. or does it still have early clutch worn out issue due to dry & heat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricChan 5th Gear January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 (edited) bro, does it mean if mechatronic issues r resolved, 7spd dsg will b generally problem free. or does it still have early clutch worn out issue due to dry & heat?You will find that someone who cheats on fuel consumption cannot be simply trusted not to have taken a short cut on other areas. Such as in reliability, quality control, teething problems . Edited January 26, 2016 by EricChan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuelsaver Supercharged January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 I think you aren't even sure about what you are talking. It is ok. don't worry. I wasn't sure too until I checked with my sources. It is not usually. Every part is a combined effort of a network of expertise. There are people from festo who make solenoid parts for vehicles, Continental or Sanmina SCI who make PCB for electric power steering makers, siam steel who make steel components for your Korean or Japanese brand clutch pressure plate who ends up in an American brand car who was partly assembled in mexico before being transferred to the USA for final assembly process. The world is too wide to be confined in one place. Printed Made in China could carry Japanese designed parts, Marked Made in Germany could carry Chinese produced inner components, Nowadays I don't care anymore. I just listen to my friends who told me concentrate on the brand and model. so then, does made in japan = japan R&D + japan QC system manufactured parts from various awarded subcon in various countries + ship back japan for final assembly? understand the need to source for cheaper manufacturing / labor. so now doesn't matter made where - we're just buyin based on our past experience / believe in certain brands i suppose? You will find that someone who cheats on fuel consumption cannot be simply trusted not to have taken a short cut on other areas. Such as in reliability, quality control, teething problems . understood. in fact, becos of airbag issues, i should stop shortlisting jap cars. however, when i compare what is the greater evil, i avoided vw all the way until i'm proven wrong. no worries bro, asking such a qn doesn't mean i'm gonna shortlist vw. it's just for my knowledge seeking. side note, gotta admit vw interior fit n finish still good, post-ownership rattling notwithstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powersteer Clutched January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 Are you sure it's 5 forward, 2 reverse? do you have any documents to prove it? yah. there are 7 gears in the gearbox. 7 G tronic 5 forward + 2 reverse DSG6 6 Forward + 1 reverse Porsche PDK 7 forward + 1 reverse BMW ZF 8HP 8 forward + 1 reverse Landrover ZF 9HP 9 forward + 1 reverse Tell me... which one is the downgrade. hehehe... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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