Near accident with cyclist 16dec 2015

[Taipan49]

Is there a local law that prescribes 1.5m space when overtaking a cyclist? Can kindly quote please?

 

There is a really good website called google.  You type in stuff that you wish to know more about.  Worth trying.

[Kingkong]

This stretch is along Bukit Gombak towards the direction of BBDC.

 

This cyclist better not try his stunt with the L-platers in that area!

Don't worry for him lar.

He does that in front of L-platers, he'll still have chance to regret lar.

I'll like to see him do it in front of a hugh truck...

Edited December 18, 2015 by Kingkong

[Weez911]

How do mopez turn right at a busy junction?

 

 

Managed to find an example in Youtube, uploaded last year. Some may have seen it before. Ignore the header "lane splitting", just want to ask if cycling to the 1st lane to turn right is legal in Singapore and in the interpretation of the Bicycle Rules.

 

There is a really good website called google.  You type in stuff that you wish to know more about.  Worth trying.

 

I have tried but cannot find. I apologise to you for wasting your time in advance. Appreciate your quotes.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Weez911

[Kingkong]

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=E22598FE625FEF4C!1601&authkey=!AFIfMXBAHqkSVbA&ithint=video%2cMOV

 

Bicycle just turned and stop suddenly zzz. On a side note, am lucky that there was no vehicle on the left lane. Didn't have time to check blind spot before swerving. sigh...

I understand why you don't have time to check blind spot and stuffs...

But if the motorbike were to be any faster and are beside you, you'll be putting an innocent party in danger, while letting the culprick live another day...

I think its not the cyclist's lucky day, its the biker's lucky day man.

[Nzy]

What is your view of cyclists switching from left-most lane to the 1st lane to turn right at junction? I thought cyclists are supposed to ride close to the left hand edge of the roadway according to the Road Traffic (Bicycle) Rules?

 

I have seen many cyclists switching 2-4 lanes in the middle of a very busy road to turn right at junction.

 

You know why you got so many questions? Cuz till now you still don't think cyclists belong on the roads. Firstly, they are vehicles - slow moving vehicles. I guess you should know the answer now on whether they can switch to the right lane to turn right. 

 

So how if the left lane is left turn only? The cyclist can only turn left? Don't make sense right?

[flashbang]

Managed to find an example in Youtube, uploaded last year. Some may have seen it before. Ignore the header "lane splitting", just want to ask if cycling to the 1st lane to turn right is legal in Singapore and in the interpretation of the Bicycle Rules.

 

 

 

I have tried but cannot find. I apologise to you for wasting your time in advance. Appreciate your quotes.

You can search for 1.5m cyclist. I believe it's in the highway code, but as I passed my driving many years ago, the book is long gone.

 

Unfortunately many people (like you) have forgotten about this rule, and I don't think it's even being enforced.

[Taipan49]

You know why you got so many questions? Cuz till now you still don't think cyclists belong on the roads. Firstly, they are vehicles - slow moving vehicles. I guess you should know the answer now on whether they can switch to the right lane to turn right. 

 

So how if the left lane is left turn only? The cyclist can only turn left? Don't make sense right?

 

To practically interpret the rule, they are to keep to the left-hand side of the lane for the direction they are travelling.

[Weez911]

You know why you got so many questions? Cuz till now you still don't think cyclists belong on the roads. Firstly, they are vehicles - slow moving vehicles. I guess you should know the answer now on whether they can switch to the right lane to turn right. 

 

So how if the left lane is left turn only? The cyclist can only turn left? Don't make sense right?

 

Don't think it's fair to put words in my mouth. I have never state that cyclists don't belong to the roads.

 

While bicycles are vehicles (totally agree with that), there is a subsi legislation for bicycles that prescribed that bicycles should keep to the left of the roadway. My question arises because of this conflict.  

 

Some comments in Youtube opined that cyclists should dismount at traffic junctions at left lane, unsaddle then walk across like normal pedestrain. Not I say one.

[Nzy]

I have tried but cannot find. I apologise to you for wasting your time in advance. Appreciate your quotes.

 

There are signs by LTA that we should overtake cyclists with 1.5m gap. I think it was changed to 1.5m recently. During the advanced theory test, we only learnt that we must leave a safe gap. And during driving lessons, I remember being told that the safe gap is 0.5m for stationary objects and 1m or more for moving objects. I did get some points for my driving test when I overtook another vehicle with less than 1m gap while I was trying to filter left into a slip road.

Don't think it's fair to put words in my mouth. I have never state that cyclists don't belong to the roads.

 

While bicycles are vehicles (totally agree with that), there is a subsi legislation for bicycles that prescribed that bicycles should keep to the left of the roadway. My question arises because of this conflict.  

 

Some comments in Youtube opined that cyclists should dismount at traffic junctions at left lane, unsaddle then walk across like normal pedestrain. Not I say one.

 

Read the rest of the RTA then. It says that any vehicle that is moving slow has to be kept to the left of the road at all times and every vehicle should be driven in a manner that doesn't obstruct faster moving vehicles. It doesn't apply to bicycles only. The only reason they repeated there is probably because a bicycle is definitely a slow moving vehicle.

 

That is their opinion. Both are legal. For me, if I am unable to get to the right turn lanes, then I use the pedestrian crossings. If not, I will just change lanes like any other vehicle on the road.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Nzy

[Weez911]

There are signs by LTA that we should overtake cyclists with 1.5m gap. I think it was changed to 1.5m recently. During the advanced theory test, we only learnt that we must leave a safe gap. And during driving lessons, I remember being told that the safe gap is 0.5m for stationary objects and 1m or more for moving objects. I did get some points for my driving test when I overtook another vehicle with less than 1m gap while I was trying to filter left into a slip road.

Sorry for wasting all your time again, but I am looking for the Act/Regulations/Rules.

 

Highway code is not a law. Not I say one, Highway code 1st paragraph states :

 

1. The Highway Code is a code of conduct and not a digest of traffic laws. It lays stress on the responsibilities of road users towards each other.

[Nzy]

To practically interpret the rule, they are to keep to the left-hand side of the lane for the direction they are travelling.

 

Yup. Cuz it is definitely illegal to turn right from the left most lane.

Sorry for wasting all your time again, but I am looking for the Act/Regulations/Rules.

 

Highway code is not a law. Not I say one, Highway code 1st paragraph states :

 

1. The Highway Code is a code of conduct and not a digest of traffic laws. It lays stress on the responsibilities of road users towards each other.

 

Yes. That is why when you overtake too closely, it is considered as inconsiderate or reckless driving. There is no offence called overtaking with less than 1.5m gap.

[Weez911]

Yes. That is why when you overtake too closely, it is considered as inconsiderate or reckless driving. There is no offence called overtaking with less than 1.5m gap.

 

Thanks for this clarification. That answers my my initial question "Is there a local law that prescribes 1.5m space when overtaking a cyclist? Can kindly quote please?".

 

As to whether it is "inconsiderate or reckless driving", maybe it's not to the layman to interpret this way?

 

I dono why bro @Taipan49 asked me to look for something in google which wasn't there.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Weez911

[keanie]

guys, i feel that it is time we collect all these cyclist and motorized bicycle related incident in one place for our knowledge and experience sharing. With constant update of what cyclist may possibly behave on the road, we can learn to be more defensive in our driving, results in safer road usage for all.

 

A consolidated cyclist tread can also present to the TP one day that compulsory 'road safety for cyclist' lesson/license is necessary for the cyclist.

 

what do you think?

Welcome back, bro. Hope you are getting much better.

 

Good idea. The tread should also include reports on how police, court, insurance co, etc, if any, treat a case if there is a accident involving car & cyclist who is to blame. This will create awareness to both parties.

[Nzy]

Thanks for this clarification. That answers my my initial question "Is there a local law that prescribes 1.5m space when overtaking a cyclist? Can kindly quote please?".

 

As to whether it is "inconsiderate or reckless driving", maybe it's not to the layman to interpret this way?

 

I dono why bro @Taipan49 asked me to look for something in google which wasn't there.

 

I guess that is because it is all over the internet that the recommended distance that is considered safe is 1.5m. Even the driving instructors are teaching that now. My wife is taking her practical lessons now and the driving instructor told her just play safe and overtake with 1.5m gap or else might fail. If cannot estimate 1.5m gap then just change lane instead since they got to check mirror and blindspot before overtaking anyway.

[flashbang]

https://youtu.be/xTm6asKKhtI

 

Will there one day be fines for cyclists who ignore road rules?

[Darryn]

Don't think it's fair to put words in my mouth. I have never state that cyclists don't belong to the roads.

 

While bicycles are vehicles (totally agree with that), there is a subsi legislation for bicycles that prescribed that bicycles should keep to the left of the roadway. My question arises because of this conflict.  

 

Some comments in Youtube opined that cyclists should dismount at traffic junctions at left lane, unsaddle then walk across like normal pedestrain. Not I say one.

This is a very selective reading

 

Slower vehicles are expected to keep as far left as practicable - but there are so many exceptions that to say cycles can only cycle on the left lane is a bit silly. 

[Weez911]

I guess that is because it is all over the internet that the recommended distance that is considered safe is 1.5m. Even the driving instructors are teaching that now. My wife is taking her practical lessons now and the driving instructor told her just play safe and overtake with 1.5m gap or else might fail. If cannot estimate 1.5m gap then just change lane instead since they got to check mirror and blindspot before overtaking anyway.

 

Everywhere in internet doesn't means it is the law mah. A law is something that has to be passed in parliament. I think Lui Tuck Yew said in 2012 that this 1.5m thing is not passed in Singapore because he has seen statistics regarding designating 1.5m space will cause more accidents due to false sense of security. Again, you can send an email to LTA to ask them why so, if you wish to pursue.

[Hubwee]

If bicycle wants to be on public roads , should have some ID plate registered under the owner's name .  Can't understand why they are allowed to get away breaking traffic rules without consequences .

 

Dun want to register your bike , then stay out of public roads .