Only fully vaccinated allowed......

[Falc]

2 hours ago, Soya said:

Yeah...unvax better not go out mix w all those irresponsible dangerous ppl who got vaxxed

Stay at home watch conspiracy theory beedeos on YouTube better...lol

 

The vaccinated, i among them, can also contract and spread to others COVID with same potency! 

[Volvobrick]

4 hours ago, Somewhat1975 said:

Don't ever think about it. Isolating at our small cramped home just means the whole family will be infected. ended up ham ka chan

Maybe soon setting up tentage at Padang for the overflow..... 

[Nolicense]

6 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

Maybe soon setting up tentage at Padang for the overflow..... 

ya. run out of hotel can pitch tent at padang. put saf there make sure they dont go climb wall or meet lover..

[Ash2017]

6 + 3 = 9
but so does 5 + 4 or 2 + 7

The way you do things or the way you think isn't always the ONLY way to do them.

Respect other people's way of doing or thinking.

 

If you haven't bought the ST this week, this weekend Sunday Times extra thick so can use to clean windows / car windscreens / spare toilet paper / wrap vegetables / etc after reading.

[Ash2017]

In my humble opinion it is wrong to punish those who decide not to take the vaccine.

Why?

1. Who aims to walk into the hospital but only to come out in a body bag or perhaps spend some staycation in ICU for months? [For some who choose to be vaccinated].

2. Even with vaccination, those the risk is reduced, but that does not guarantee you that you will not have the severe form of infection.

3. Have all the politicians and their immediate family members including top civil servants had their vaccination? When you are rich and / or powerful, punishment means nothing.

4. Most who are not vaccinated would be very cautious taking great effort to prevent being ill. There are spike of infection among the vaccinated in several countries because they had a false sense of security thinking they are immune to the infection and let their guard down. Which group of individuals do we want in our community? Bearing in mind that a person having completed vaccination can still be a super spreader.

5. Confusing vaccination program. WHO approved Sinovac but in SG it is not included in the National Vaccination Program. Worse you have to pay for it and there is NO cover for adverse reactions. Yet if you have adverse reaction to the National Vaccination Program vaccines you would be offered Sinovac. A grassroot individual (especially) the elderly would be very confused. I would go for the Sinovac because it seems if the National Vaccination Program vaccines failed you can rely on Sinovac.

6. If the National Vaccination Program is so much better than Sinovac, why the need for eventual booster shots?

7. We all don't emphasize the fact the current vaccines are experimental drugs and we are the human trials. We do not know the long term effects yet.

8. CDC, instruct their citizens to return to wearing mask even after vaccination. Confusing to say the least when earlier it was mask off.

9. Its not about freedom of choice or freedom of speech or being less nationalistic but it is rather about survival of the individual as he or she calculates if it is literally worth dying for to take the vaccine.

[what happens if scientists discovery that previously presumed were proven false, earlier mentioned that vaccine that does not leave the muscle at the injection site but this was proven wrong, so what is there to guarantee that there would not be any long term side effects, by then it is too late, even the scientist who discovered mRNA is worried about the current vaccine then who are we to take it so likely, this vaccine or the likes may just the thing that wiped out our human race [may sound dramatic but it can't get any more real]]

 

I rather hope incentives given to those vaccinated rather than punish those who do not want to have the vaccine. This would be a great start.

 

Edited August 1, 2021 by Ash2017

[Kar_lover]

11 hours ago, Ash2017 said:

In my humble opinion it is wrong to punish those who decide not to take the vaccine.

Why?

1. Who aims to walk into the hospital but only to come out in a body bag or perhaps spend some staycation in ICU for months? [For some who choose to be vaccinated].

2. Even with vaccination, those the risk is reduced, but that does not guarantee you that you will not have the severe form of infection.

3. Have all the politicians and their immediate family members including top civil servants had their vaccination? When you are rich and / or powerful, punishment means nothing.

4. Most who are not vaccinated would be very cautious taking great effort to prevent being ill. There are spike of infection among the vaccinated in several countries because they had a false sense of security thinking they are immune to the infection and let their guard down. Which group of individuals do we want in our community? Bearing in mind that a person having completed vaccination can still be a super spreader.

5. Confusing vaccination program. WHO approved Sinovac but in SG it is not included in the National Vaccination Program. Worse you have to pay for it and there is NO cover for adverse reactions. Yet if you have adverse reaction to the National Vaccination Program vaccines you would be offered Sinovac. A grassroot individual (especially) the elderly would be very confused. I would go for the Sinovac because it seems if the National Vaccination Program vaccines failed you can rely on Sinovac.

6. If the National Vaccination Program is so much better than Sinovac, why the need for eventual booster shots?

7. We all don't emphasize the fact the current vaccines are experimental drugs and we are the human trials. We do not know the long term effects yet.

8. CDC, instruct their citizens to return to wearing mask even after vaccination. Confusing to say the least when earlier it was mask off.

9. Its not about freedom of choice or freedom of speech or being less nationalistic but it is rather about survival of the individual as he or she calculates if it is literally worth dying for to take the vaccine.

[what happens if scientists discovery that previously presumed were proven false, earlier mentioned that vaccine that does not leave the muscle at the injection site but this was proven wrong, so what is there to guarantee that there would not be any long term side effects, by then it is too late, even the scientist who discovered mRNA is worried about the current vaccine then who are we to take it so likely, this vaccine or the likes may just the thing that wiped out our human race [may sound dramatic but it can't get any more real]]

 

I rather hope incentives given to those vaccinated rather than punish those who do not want to have the vaccine. This would be a great start.

 

1. I don't know what is the point you are trying to make here

2. Yes, no guarantee but at least risk is reduced.  Better than nothing. U mean all those people queue up, pay money buy TOTO is guaranteed meh??

3. Ridiculous comment.

4. I am vaccinated and i STILL don't "anyhow" go out. Being complacent is a choice, not a side effect of being vaccinated. And are u saying we should NOT be vaccinated so we are more conscious? Then i guess we should also not work so hard that we all don't get better salary and therefore spend our money more wisely? Throwing hard earned money at KTVs is a choice. Not all rich people will do that. Just the few morons.

5. WHO approve doesn't mean SG must approve. From data obtained, Sinovac is less effective hence it is not used in the national programme but still available as a choice if you want to get it on your own (i guess u can call this freedom of choice). In any case this nonsense about being confused is not a valid argument against vaccination as a whole. If not sure/confused, just go for the national programme. 

6. Just because P&M need future booster shots doesn't mean that Sinovac is better. Sinovac is already less effective NOW to begin with.

7. Yes but we know the short term effect of NOT getting vaccinated. If everyone like that there may be no long term to speak off. And if nobody is being vacc'ed now, then how to know what is the long term effect? How long is your long term? 5 years? 10 years? U want to continue having COVID for so long? 

8. That is CDC own issue. It's another country. What has that got to do with us in SINGAPORE getting vaccinated? Nobody said those full vacc'ed no need to wear mask here. UK already lifted all their restrictions despite tens of thousands of new cases daily. That's their choice. Doesn't mean we will follow.

9. What kind of probability are we talking about? Everyday u step out of ur house u can die. U can die even just remaining in your house. What do you use to "calculate" whether you will die from vaccination? Can u calculate if u will get infected and die anyway? Nobody FORCE u to be vacc'ed but if you don't want to and therefore becomes a higher risk to yourself and the community, then of course u cannot expect the same "privileges" as those who are not. Don't come and kpkb say what punishment/discrimination. U are just being entitled and selfish.

 

[Ash2017]

31 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

PM was vaccinated on National TV right? You think it is not true? 

It is not what you say, it is the action that matters. 

It is people like you finding all excuses not getting the vaccine and waiting for everyone to take risk. 

With selfish people like you we will never move out of pandemic. 

I propose all those can get vaccinated, but refuse to, put into a jail until they take the vaccine. 

 

No wonder ST got all these bad press.

You don't read properly and go shooting from your hip.

Its individual like you, I want to completely frank with you, that you will always remain in the same station as where you and you will drag everyone around with you.

Let me help you understand. 

PM represent everyone meh. 

Everyone is finding a solution out of these on and off lockdown due to resurgence of the virus.

We provide possible reasons why individuals or groups may be uncomfortable to take the vaccine. Sometimes the top don't really have a grasp of what is happening at the grassroot level. Hence, with all the reasons stated, it is up to the authorities to do something about it.

In addition, you are just plain too stupid, yet we are moving out of the pandemic to embrace endemic.

Individuals like you always think you are very smart. Proposing that those who can but refused to be vaccinated to be placed in JAIL. When jail spaces filled up how, move them to your home OK. 

Why you choose only to see what you want to see. You so worried about spreading the virus and condemning individuals being selfish for wanting to spread the bug, why you so quiet about letting not just high but extremely high risk countries coming into our city (including non essential individuals) and spread the mutant bug. In addition, there was also an individual teaching those from high risk countries how to trip the system when we tightened the entry. How? These individuals not fish mongers.

No point start off punishing, but instead incentivize ore vaccination conversion. In this country everything is punishment even for the most basic of social issues eg returning of food trays.

Please do not reply to my post. ST can do with one less subscriber like you.  ST advice to individuals like you is please Monday morning, the start of the week, use the right head.

 

[Kopites]

43 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

PM was vaccinated on National TV right? You think it is not true? 

It is not what you say, it is the action that matters. 

It is people like you finding all excuses not getting the vaccine and waiting for everyone to take risk. 

With selfish people like you we will never move out of pandemic. 

I propose all those can get vaccinated, but refuse to, put into a jail until they take the vaccine. 

 

"Propose to put them in jail"?

Tell that to the family member whom mother passed away the day after 1st dose. 

Posted by FW75 in the other thread.

[Kopites]

I challenge the government to make it "mandatory" by law all must get the vaccination!

They won't dare to do so.

Why?

[Kopites]

50 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

PM was vaccinated on National TV right? You think it is not true? 

It is not what you say, it is the action that matters. 

It is people like you finding all excuses not getting the vaccine and waiting for everyone to take risk. 

With selfish people like you we will never move out of pandemic. 

I propose all those can get vaccinated, but refuse to, put into a jail until they take the vaccine. 

 

 

[Ash2017]

10 minutes ago, Kar_lover said:

1. I don't know what is the point you are trying to make here

2. Yes, no guarantee but at least risk is reduced.  Better than nothing. U mean all those people queue up, pay money buy TOTO is guaranteed meh??

3. Ridiculous comment.

4. I am vaccinated and i STILL don't "anyhow" go out. Being complacent is a choice, not a side effect of being vaccinated. And are u saying we should NOT be vaccinated so we are more conscious? Then i guess we should also not work so hard that we all don't get better salary and therefore spend our money more wisely? Throwing hard earned money at KTVs is a choice. Not all rich people will do that. Just the few morons.

5. WHO approve doesn't mean SG must approve. From data obtained, Sinovac is less effective hence it is not used in the national programme but still available as a choice if you want to get it on your own (i guess u can call this freedom of choice). In any case this nonsense about being confused is not a valid argument against vaccination as a whole. If not sure/confused, just go for the national programme. 

6. Just because P&M need future booster shots doesn't mean that Sinovac is better. Sinovac is already less effective NOW to begin with.

7. Yes but we know the short term effect of NOT getting vaccinated. If everyone like that there may be no long term to speak off. And if nobody is being vacc'ed now, then how to know what is the long term effect? How long is your long term? 5 years? 10 years? U want to continue having COVID for so long? 

8. That is CDC own issue. It's another country. What has that got to do with us in SINGAPORE getting vaccinated? Nobody said those full vacc'ed no need to wear mask here. UK already lifted all their restrictions despite tens of thousands of new cases daily. That's their choice. Doesn't mean we will follow.

9. What kind of probability are we talking about? Everyday u step out of ur house u can die. U can die even just remaining in your house. What do you use to "calculate" whether you will die from vaccination? Can u calculate if u will get infected and die anyway? Nobody FORCE u to be vacc'ed but if you don't want to and therefore becomes a higher risk to yourself and the community, then of course u cannot expect the same "privileges" as those who are not. Don't come and kpkb say what punishment/discrimination. U are just being entitled and selfish.

 

Honestly, I also don't understand what you are writing about. 

I serve my country with flying colors and your think I am entitled and selfish. Please remember, not easy to be General one.

 

[Watwheels]

5 minutes ago, Kopites said:

"Propose to put them in jail"?

Tell that to the family member whom mother passed away the day after 1st dose. 

Posted by FW75 in the other thread.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

[Kopites]

2 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

Yes. Got to trust and respect the professional. Hope the family can find closure.

Goodness sake I know most here adhere to government calling to have the nation vaccinated. Me too like many here (waiting for 2md dose), but the least we should have more empathy toward that can or can't or not yet gotten the vaccination. We aren't in their shoes to make judgment when will be the right times. Are we going to take responsibility of any mishap happen to them? Post Rip, Take Care such messages in social media won't help at all.

Show more concern, patient and empthay toward them. Dont discriminate against them. The discounted meal won't sway them.

Education and patient persuasive will do so. 

[Kopites]

14 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

Same case? I read FW75 post was 64 yo mother.

"My mother was only 64 years old. She is a woman of service, she lives her life for my father and the 3 of us. Even at the point where she collapsed, she was cleaning the floor at home so that we have a clean house to return to...."

Edited August 2, 2021 by Kopites

[Watwheels]

3 minutes ago, Kopites said:

Same case? I read FW75 post was 69 yo mother.

I think it is the same person. If 2 different women had died like that many ppl will start stirring the conspiracy pot of sh!t.

[Ash2017]

6 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

Ever wondered why so many believed that our resident undertaker is so powerful and most are scared stiff with the approaching 7th month. Most if not all are individuals with some science background and as it is of now, there is no such thing as ghost as science have not proven their existence.

When you are in not a normal situation, eg a person facing life and death situation or in severe grief, logic most of the time get thrown out of the window. When a child with a slight fever was hospitalized and parents go to work the following morning, hospital call them and inform them that their child is dead? You think the first think the dead child parents would think it is due to the illness even though the  hospitals are mend by medical professionals? 

Many years ago, how many individuals are locked up in then Woodbridge Hospital for being labelled mad? Only to discovered there are medical conditions that can be treated and the madness is a symptom of the medical condition and not the disease itself.

There were individuals who condemn parents who allowed their young children to throw tantrum in the bus or shopping centre without doing something like restraining them or beat the hell out of them. Many bad autistic kids, physical appearance can look pretty normal for many people. As most of us know, reprimand and punishment only makes the situation worse.

Everyone is built differently. We react differently. Some individual really sticks and stones cannot even harm them while others a minor misuse of words can result in making them really mad as hell. 

In general, we should learn to seek to understand the other party's situation before we jump to our normal logical conclusion.

 

 

 

[Watwheels]

2 minutes ago, Ash2017 said:

Ever wondered why so many believed that our resident undertaker is so powerful and most are scared stiff with the approaching 7th month. Most if not all are individuals with some science background and as it is of now, there is no such thing as ghost as science have not proven their existence.

When you are in not a normal situation, eg a person facing life and death situation or in severe grief, logic most of the time get thrown out of the window. When a child with a slight fever was hospitalized and parents go to work the following morning, hospital call them and inform them that their child is dead? You think the first think the dead child parents would think it is due to the illness even though the  hospitals are mend by medical professionals? 

Many years ago, how many individuals are locked up in then Woodbridge Hospital for being labelled mad? Only to discovered there are medical conditions that can be treated and the madness is a symptom of the medical condition and not the disease itself.

There were individuals who condemn parents who allowed their young children to throw tantrum in the bus or shopping centre without doing something like restraining them or beat the hell out of them. Many bad autistic kids, physical appearance can look pretty normal for many people. As most of us know, reprimand and punishment only makes the situation worse.

Everyone is built differently. We react differently. Some individual really sticks and stones cannot even harm them while others a minor misuse of words can result in making them really mad as hell. 

In general, we should learn to seek to understand the other party's situation before we jump to our normal logical conclusion.

 

 

 

TL;DR

[Ahwhye]

46 minutes ago, Kopites said:

I challenge the government to make it "mandatory" by law all must get the vaccination!

They won't dare to do so.

Why?

if a person with life-threatening illness can refuse medical treatment, what basis is there to force people take vaccination? guess only commie states or north korea or something like that can do the forcing bah....