ODO Mileage Tampering

[Acemundo]

u can find the evidence n report to them ya....

I actually did discover one case of tampering. But like i say, with no law governing it, there is no authority i can report to. And i wasnt the buyer of that car, so i cant take a civil suit to take the dealer to task as well.

[leehock13828]

u can find the evidence n report to them ya....

He prefer to air his views in mcf. We have to respect his wishes

[DC1977]

He prefer to air his views in mcf. We have to respect his wishes

ok then...if u wan to pursue can always report to CASE n Spore Automobile Authority for them to do something. 

 

cos if keep silent the consumer will suffer....anw just my opinion for tots...

[Kar_lover]

I actually did discover one case of tampering. But like i say, with no law governing it, there is no authority i can report to. And i wasnt the buyer of that car, so i cant take a civil suit to take the dealer to task as well.

 

You can still report it as a case of cheating and/or sue the dealer for misrepresentation.

[Kusje]

Not all ADs. At least one of them will not release even if you are the new owner provided you can get the previous owner's consent and that is not always possible if you bought the car from a dealer.

 

And when you pass all the papers to the dealer you sell your car to, chances are the dealer will not pass the papers to the next buyer because the odo will be adjusted.

 

Someone will say, having 30 ex bfs who were caring and loving towards her is better than having just 3 abusive bfs.

 

I didn't know virgins walk with legs closed together.

Both also cannot la. 3 abusive boyfriends means the woman must be mentally ill to keep looking for the same kind of men.

 

30 caring ones means the woman is the problem!

I am suing the same company. I won the court order of 7 k but Right car ltd refuse to pay. Any idea where do I find back the same lawyer that the lady use ?

Look for the lady for what?

 

You should check if the company has money or not. Have money you can compel them to pay or get a court order to lelong their stuff. No money you hire ah long to break their legs also useless.

[Acemundo]

not so easy la.....if it was so easy, then the civil suit brought on by the lady against the used car dealer should be followed by police charging the company under cheating.  but you don't see that happening right.  that one went to court also no subsequent criminal case of cheating.  now you think the police will investigate if i just report to them?

 

for other cases of investigation by police upon public reporting to them, these are cases whereby there is a relevant statute (like Road Traffic Act, Misuse of Computer Act, Public Nuisance statute) governing it that police is compelled to investigate when public brings up the case.

You can still report it as a case of cheating and/or sue the dealer for misrepresentation.

 

[Acemundo]

no relevance here that my wishes becomes the standard for other mcfer like you le.  you and the other mcfer are free to take up the case with lta if you feel strongly.

He prefer to air his views in mcf. We have to respect his wishes

 

[Wt_know]

all scumbags dealer know we can do no shit to them

so they also fck care and continue to adjust milleage and cheat

unless someone kneel before them and cry and kena stomp begging dealer to cancel order

and where is jover chew now? lol

Edited March 30, 2017 by Wt_know

[Kar_lover]

not so easy la.....if it was so easy, then the civil suit brought on by the lady against the used car dealer should be followed by police charging the company under cheating.  but you don't see that happening right.  that one went to court also no subsequent criminal case of cheating.  now you think the police will investigate if i just report to them?

 

for other cases of investigation by police upon public reporting to them, these are cases whereby there is a relevant statute (like Road Traffic Act, Misuse of Computer Act, Public Nuisance statute) governing it that police is compelled to investigate when public brings up the case.

 

My own experience was when i discovered a resigned staff had cheated/stolen about $2k from the company. I gave him a chance to return it but he didn't (after several times of promising to do so). I then reported the case to the police and to be honest i wasn't expecting any outcome. I just wanted the incident to be on his record and did not want to "embolden" him by doing nothing. In the end a few months later i got a call from the police telling me that he was willing to return the money to me which i believe was part of a deal for the police not to charge him.

 

I admit I don't know which "lady" you are referring to in your incident above but I am pretty sure meter tampering/cheating would be covered under some kind of act (sales of goods?). But i do agree it's not "so easy" - it depends on the buyer how badly he feels about it. In my own case above, the $2k is a very small sum to the company but i went through the process anyway as a matter of principle (I had to make total of 3 visit to the police station) and also as a signal to any other staff of our zero tolerance towards cheating. So if the tampering is not a huge amount i guess just take it as lesson learnt and move on. But if the tampering is huge like 150,000km change to 20,000km then personally i would pursue to void the entire sale and recover my money as i would never have bought the car in the first place if i had known the truth. There is no doubt that mileage is one of the key considerations when buying a used car (that the dealer tampered the meter proves it). So any breach of such key information should be actionable.  

[Kar_lover]

all scumbags dealer know we can do no shit to them

so they also fck care and continue to adjust milleage and cheat

unless someone kneel before them and cry and kena stomp begging dealer to cancel order

and where is jover chew now? lol

 

I believe jailed for 3 years right?

[Acemundo]

there is still a bit of difference in your case vs my case.  at least you had come across the case in your course of work vs mine which was purely a leisure occasion+partially over the internet.  you are more persuasive to the police than i am.  secondly, your case mentioned is actually persecuted for white collar crime of misappropriation and not the same as petty cheating like the case of the car dealer which is not covered under a white collar crime ambit.  if there is a statute, it is straight out a criminal case but where there isn't, i still have to prove there is a victim and the victim suffered losses.  as i don't know who bought it, it would be a tall order for me to be able to prove the case to police.

 

as for your suggestion it could be covered under the Sales of Goods Act, you may wish to know that some statute like this and the Lemon Law are effectively useless because it either did not lay out the punitive action for violation, or if it did, the punitive action stated would be rather mild and almost useless.  like the Lemon Law Act, it prescribes that repair is first option.  only when repair until proven that cannot repair then would the seller have to replace the unit.

 

the lady i am referring to is the lady (Mdm Peh) mentioned in the newspaper article who sued Right Cars for tampering the odometer.  you would noticed that there is no mention that police is investigating the director for criminal case of cheating.  this is afterall still only a civil suit.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/customer-sues-over-tampered-mileage

 

My own experience was when i discovered a resigned staff had cheated/stolen about $2k from the company. I gave him a chance to return it but he didn't (after several times of promising to do so). I then reported the case to the police and to be honest i wasn't expecting any outcome. I just wanted the incident to be on his record and did not want to "embolden" him by doing nothing. In the end a few months later i got a call from the police telling me that he was willing to return the money to me which i believe was part of a deal for the police not to charge him.

 

I admit I don't know which "lady" you are referring to in your incident above but I am pretty sure meter tampering/cheating would be covered under some kind of act (sales of goods?). But i do agree it's not "so easy" - it depends on the buyer how badly he feels about it. In my own case above, the $2k is a very small sum to the company but i went through the process anyway as a matter of principle (I had to make total of 3 visit to the police station) and also as a signal to any other staff of our zero tolerance towards cheating. So if the tampering is not a huge amount i guess just take it as lesson learnt and move on. But if the tampering is huge like 150,000km change to 20,000km then personally i would pursue to void the entire sale and recover my money as i would never have bought the car in the first place if i had known the truth. There is no doubt that mileage is one of the key considerations when buying a used car (that the dealer tampered the meter proves it). So any breach of such key information should be actionable.  

 

Edited March 30, 2017 by Acemundo

[Beng2]

there is still a bit of difference in your case vs my case.  at least you had come across the case in your course of work vs mine which was purely a leisure occasion+partially over the internet.  you are more persuasive to the police than i am.  secondly, your case mentioned is actually persecuted for white collar crime of misappropriation and not the same as petty cheating like the case of the car dealer which is not covered under a white collar crime ambit.  if there is a statute, it is straight out a criminal case but where there isn't, i still have to prove there is a victim and the victim suffered losses.  as i don't know who bought it, it would be a tall order for me to be able to prove the case to police.

 

as for your suggestion it could be covered under the Sales of Goods Act, you may wish to know that some statute like this and the Lemon Law are effectively useless because it either did not lay out the punitive action for violation, or if it did, the punitive action stated would be rather mild and almost useless.  like the Lemon Law Act, it prescribes that repair is first option.  only when repair until proven that cannot repair then would the seller have to replace the unit.

 

the lady i am referring to is the lady (Mdm Peh) mentioned in the newspaper article who sued Right Cars for tampering the odometer.  you would noticed that there is no mention that police is investigating the director for criminal case of cheating.  this is afterall still only a civil suit.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/customer-sues-over-tampered-mileage

I have read of cases where online sellers cheated buyers and police reports were filed. Surely odo tampering is cheating buyers?

[Acemundo]

I have read of cases where online sellers cheated buyers and police reports were filed. Surely odo tampering is cheating buyers?

You are misinterpreting my words. I didnt say that is not cheating. I only meant it is not easy for me to prove cheating because i am not the victim. The cases you have mentioned are initiated by the victims.

[Beng2]

You are misinterpreting my words. I didnt say that is not cheating. I only meant it is not easy for me to prove cheating because i am not the victim. The cases you have mentioned are initiated by the victims.

And you also misinterpreted mine. I wrote that because I agreed with you that it is strange no police action was taken because I think it is cheating 

[Acemundo]

And you also misinterpreted mine. I wrote that because I agreed with you that it is strange no police action was taken because I think it is cheating

Aiyah i dont think police sees it as no cheating. But just that they wont commence investigation if no one files a police report against the firm.

[DC1977]

Aiyah i dont think police sees it as no cheating. But just that they wont commence investigation if no one files a police report against the firm.

well whether cheating case or not..leave it to the police..SPF!

 

they will follow up once a case has been reported n filed. they have been swift n upright in many cases...lets trust them in this ok. tats whr we park our taxpayers' money isnt it??? 

[Kusje]

My own experience was when i discovered a resigned staff had cheated/stolen about $2k from the company. I gave him a chance to return it but he didn't (after several times of promising to do so). I then reported the case to the police and to be honest i wasn't expecting any outcome. I just wanted the incident to be on his record and did not want to "embolden" him by doing nothing. In the end a few months later i got a call from the police telling me that he was willing to return the money to me which i believe was part of a deal for the police not to charge him.

 

I admit I don't know which "lady" you are referring to in your incident above but I am pretty sure meter tampering/cheating would be covered under some kind of act (sales of goods?). But i do agree it's not "so easy" - it depends on the buyer how badly he feels about it. In my own case above, the $2k is a very small sum to the company but i went through the process anyway as a matter of principle (I had to make total of 3 visit to the police station) and also as a signal to any other staff of our zero tolerance towards cheating. So if the tampering is not a huge amount i guess just take it as lesson learnt and move on. But if the tampering is huge like 150,000km change to 20,000km then personally i would pursue to void the entire sale and recover my money as i would never have bought the car in the first place if i had known the truth. There is no doubt that mileage is one of the key considerations when buying a used car (that the dealer tampered the meter proves it). So any breach of such key information should be actionable.

No wonder we have such a low crime rate. SPF don't even bother to charge the fellow even though they managed to catch him.

[DC1977]

No wonder we have such a low crime rate. SPF don't even bother to charge the fellow even though they managed to catch him.

playing wif the stats lo...haha