Exercising without a gym

[Chickenbackside]

Yes, definitely listen to your body. If that's all you can eat, that's all you can eat.

[Xtrocious]

Yes, definitely listen to your body. If that's all you can eat, that's all you can eat.

 

That's why we never go for those all-you-can-eat buffets any more

 

 

[Eizenzahn]

Yes, definitely listen to your body. If that's all you can eat, that's all you can eat.

 

oh yea my body saying my mouth itchy so im snacking on greek yogurt and some almonds nw gd stuffs

[Xtrocious]

oh yea my body saying my mouth itchy so im snacking on greek yogurt and some almonds nw gd stuffs

 

At least for me, snacking is probably the worst thing for me in the past...

 

These days, I have been trying very hard not to snack and if I do, I will make do with some almonds

[Eizenzahn]

At least for me, snacking is probably the worst thing for me in the past...

 

These days, I have been trying very hard not to snack and if I do, I will make do with some almonds

 

well i just misses my icecreams

 

i remember a fortnight ago i consumed like 3 scoops of icecream + 1 waffle, the next day i got a reaction. 3 big acne pimples popped out on my face. that's what i get for cheating .

 

luckily after that i managed to get back on track and eat right again.

 

see what junk foods can do to us .

 

yes i had severe acne problem before this, literally everyday 1 pimple will grow on my face. after 1 mth now my face has cleared up :)

[Chickenbackside]

well i just misses my icecreams

 

i remember a fortnight ago i consumed like 3 scoops of icecream + 1 waffle, the next day i got a reaction. 3 big acne pimples popped out on my face. that's what i get for cheating .

 

luckily after that i managed to get back on track and eat right again.

 

see what junk foods can do to us .

 

yes i had severe acne problem before this, literally everyday 1 pimple will grow on my face. after 1 mth now my face has cleared up :)

That's a side effect of low carb paleo.

 

Your allergies go away. When you restrict gluten, grains, refined carbs...etc, there are a lot less agents in your body to cause inflammation.

 

One of my friends has suffered from eczema his whole life. I asked him to try cutting out grains and dairy for a month, just as an experiment.

 

Result?

 

1) After 40+ years, his eczema cleared up.

 

2) He lost 10kg in that month

 

3) He doesn't need to eat snake in the afternoon anymore for after-lunch naps

 

4) He keeps butter, Bulla pure cream, coconut milk and macadamias in his office now

 

 

[Skunk]

the only allergy it doesn't cure is lactose intolerance :(

 

that's one major $#%@ obstacle to me increasing fat intake :(

[Chickenbackside]

Bad teeth anyone?

 

I wonder what took so long. Weston A. Price saw the correlation decades ago and wrote a book on it.

 

 

http://uwnews.org/article.asp?articleid=50669

 

 

July 9, 2009 | Science | Health and Medicine

Diets bad for teeth are also bad for the body

Leila Gray [email protected]

 

 

Dental disease may be a wake-up call that your diet is harming your body.

"The five-alarm fire bell of a tooth ache is difficult to ignore," says Dr. Philippe P. Hujoel, professor of dental public health sciences at the University of Washington School of Dentistry. Beyond the immediate distress, dental pain may portend future medical problems. It may be a warning that the high-glycemic diet that led to dental problems in the short term may, in the long term, lead to potentially serious chronic diseases.

 

Hujoel reviewed the relationships between diet, dental disease, and chronic systemic illness in a report published July 1 in The Journal of Dental Research. He weighed two contradictory viewpoints on the role of dietary carbohydrates in health and disease. The debate surrounds fermentable carbohydates: foods that turn into simple sugars in the mouth. Fermentable carbohydrates are not just sweets like cookies, doughnuts, cake and candy. They also include bananas and several tropical fruits, sticky fruits like raisins and other dried fruits, and starchy foods like potatoes, refined wheat flour, yams, rice, pasta, pretzels, bread, and corn.

 

One viewpoint is that certain fermentable carbohydrates are beneficial to general health and that the harmful dental consequences of such a diet should be managed by the tools found in the oral hygiene section of drugstores. A contrasting viewpoint suggests that fermentable carbohydrates are bad for both dental and general health, and that both dental and general health need to be maintained by restricting fermentable carbohydrates.

 

The differing perspectives on the perceived role of dietary carbohydrates have resulted in opposing approaches to dental disease prevention, Hujoel notes, and have prompted debates in interpreting the link between dental diseases and such systemic diseases as obesity, diabetes, and some forms of cancer.

 

Over the past twenty years or so, Hujoel says, people have been advised to make fermentable dietary carbohydrates the foundation of their diet. Fats were considered the evil food. A high-carbohydrate diet was assumed to prevent a number of systemic chronic diseases. Unfortunately, such a diet - allegedly good for systemic health - was bad for dental health. As a result, cavities or gingival bleeding from fermentable carbohydrates could be avoided only -- and not always successfully, as Hujoel points out -- by conscientious brushing, fluorides, and other types of dental preventive measures. When these measures are not successful, people end up with cavities and gum disease.

 

Hujoel observed that the dental harms of fermentable carbohydrates have been recognized by what looks like every major health organization. Even those fermentable carbohydrates assumed to be good for systemic health break down into simple sugars in the mouth and promote tooth decay. All fermentable carbohydrates have the potential to induce dental decay, Hujoel notes.

 

But what if fermentable carbohydrates are also bad for systemic health? Hujoel asks. What if dietary guidelines would start incorporating the slew of clinical trial results suggesting that a diet low in fermentable carbohydrates improves cardiovascular markers of disease and decreases body fat? Such a change in perspective on fermentable carbohydrates, and by extension, on people's diets, could have a significant impact on the dental profession, as a diet higher in fat and protein does not cause dental diseases, he notes. Dentists would no longer be pressed to recommend to patients diets that are bad for teeth or remain mum when it comes to dietary advice. Dentists often have been reluctant, Hujoel says, to challenge the prevailing thinking on nutrition. Advising patients to reduce the amount or frequency of fermentable carbohydrate consumption is difficult when official guidelines suggested the opposite.

 

The close correlation between the biological mechanisms that cause dental decay and the factors responsible for high average levels of glucose in the blood is intriguing. Hujoel explains that eating sugar or fermentable carbohydrates drops the acidity levels of dental plaque and is considered an initiating cause of dental decay.

 

"Eating these same foods, he says, is also associated with spikes in blood sugar levels. There is fascinating evidence that suggests that the higher the glycemic level of a food, the more it will drop the acidity of dental plaque, and the higher it will raise blood sugar. So, possibly, dental decay may really be a marker for the chronic high-glycemic diets that lead to both dental decay and chronic systemic diseases. This puts a whole new light on studies that have linked dental diseases to such diverse illnesses as Alzheimer's disease and pancreatic cancer."

 

The correlations between dental diseases and systemic disease, he adds, provide indirect support for those researchers who have suggested that Alzheimer's disease and pancreatic cancer are due to an abnormal blood glucose metabolism.

 

The hypotheses on dental diseases as a marker for the diseases of civilization were postulated back in the mid-20th century by two physicians: Thomas Cleave and John Yudkin. Tragically, their work, although supported by epidemiological evidence, became largely forgotten, Hujoel notes. This is unfortunate, he adds, because dental diseases really may be the most noticeable and rapid warning sign to an individual that something is going awry with his or her diet.

 

"Dental problems from poor dietary habits appear in a few weeks to a few years," Hujoel explains. "Dental improvement can be rapid when habits are corrected. For example, reducing sugar intake can often improve gingivitis scores (a measurement of gum disease) in a couple of weeks. Dental disease reveals very early on that eating habits are putting a person at risk for systemic disease. Since chronic medical disease takes decades to become severe enough to be detected in screening tests, dental diseases may provide plenty of lead-time to change harmful eating habits and thereby decrease the risk of developing the other diseases of civilization."

 

In planning a daily or weekly menu, Hujoel suggests: "What's good for your oral health looks increasingly likely to also benefit your overall health."

 

# # #

 

The University of Washington School of Dentistry, one of only two dental schools in the Pacific Northwest, is a worldwide leader in dental education and research. It ranks third among the 57 dental schools in the United States for National Institutes of Health funding in 2009. The school furnishes comprehensive clinical care and also plays a major role in public health through its service to Medicaid patients and people with disabilities or medically compromised systems.

[Tonyhawk]

ok i admit, ive been reading the thread quietly from the sidelines, and have no guts to jump on the wagon. largely because, i dont have a reason to, yet.

 

im curious enough to ask though, any ideas why the japanese, with their noodles, rice and all seem to cope so much better?

[Skunk]

im curious enough to ask though, any ideas why the japanese, with their noodles, rice and all seem to cope so much better?

 

1) they tend to eat very small portions, and it's their culture to eat slowly and savour, so they don't overeat.

 

2) a high intake of raw fish, with all the omega-3 oils, might be propping them up despite all the carbohydrates they eat

 

3) it's a myth. Japanese (and Asians in general) are smaller in size than white people, so when u compare a fat white man and a fat asian, the fat white man seems fatter....but the truth is that Asians have the highest bodyfat percentage of any race in the world...all thanks to our "tradition" of eating carbohydrates. Don't believe, just watch Jap porn...see all the rolls of fat on otherwise slim-looking Jap girls when they had their clothes still on.

 

4) Japan has a very high rate of diabetes, so while they look slim, they might not be healthy.

 

5) Long-lived Japanese tend to be from Hokkaido or Okinawa. Hokkaido people eat more protein than other Japs, due to a lack of suitable climate for growing rice. Okinawans eat more pork than other Japs, due to a lack of suitable terrain for rice cultivation. Other Japs do not seem to be longer-lived than other Asians.

 

6) The slim Japs are the older ones...the young ones, like their western counterparts, eat more refined carbs, and tend to be fatter and less healthy. When i was a teen, a Jap school came to visit my school....OMG all the girls had billard-table legs LOL. When Japs turn adult, the social pressure to be slim is so immense, due to their homogenous culture, they go on starvation diets and slim down. So while they look slim, they still aint healthy!

[Chickenbackside]

Most Japanese men smoke and yet they have less lung cancer rates than the USA where less people smoke. Does that mean that it is better to smoke in Japan than in USA?

 

Like what has been said many times, how well they do has nothing to do with how much better they can do with a different possibility.

 

To quote Dr Kurt Harris: Fine is not better. Tolerated is not optimal.

 

Asian cultures fare better on carbs mainly because our total food intake is much less than our western counterparts. Go to a food court in Singapore or Japan or any Asian country and order a bowl of noodles. Compare that to the bowl of noodles to you get from a food court in USA.

 

Also, we tend to eat a lot less processed foods compared with the americans.

 

Ultimately, if you're not having any weight or health problems, there is little incentive in changing the way you eat or live. But for people who have such issues, this may well be the ticket to good health.

 

The biochemistry simply points this way as the optimum way to eat and live for human beings.

 

 

Here is Dr Kurt Harris' article again:

 

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/11...e-kitavans.html

 

 

Kitavans eating yams and fish and smoking cigarettes and Tarahumara drinking beer and running on sandals made from old tires! Awesome!

 

Hell, there is some serious neo-rousseauism going on here. These noble savages have got it wired and all of our medical science about nutrition must always take account of those paragons of righteous living.

 

Lindeberg notwithstanding, we don't really know squat about the Kitavans. The runners in the study I just quoted had no clinical history whatsoever of clinically evident heart attacks. Instead, 12% had evidence of silent infacts on an MRI.

 

We have no idea how many of the Kitavans have coronary calcium or silent infarcts by MRI. No idea at all. They certainly seem to tolerate the carbs well with little fructose and no wheat and no linoleic acid. Great! Maybe they have zero coronary calcium and no one there has ever had an infarct. We just do not know. If Lindeberg wants to fly them all to my clinic in wisconsin I will do a calcium score on the first one thousand of them no charge. Seriously.

 

Show me the money. Show me proof they have less atherosclerosis and they have no silent ischemia. Prove they are not just ethnographic confirmation bias for those who think "paleo carbs" must be OK because we really, really want them to be.

 

The Kitavans tolerate a higher carb fraction than you might expect.

 

SO WHAT?

 

What does that tell us about whether we should eat non -fructose and wheat containing carbs intead of animal products. It tells us absolutely nothing at all about that choice. Zero.

 

Just like their apparant tolerance of smoking tells us absolutely nothing about whether it is good to smoke. It only confirms that smoking on the SAD is much worse. That is very interesting, but hardly an endorsement for smoking, is it?

 

This is just a giant, gaping blind spot in the paleo diet world - It is, philosophically, blind empricism. Perseverating on an observation without coherent interpretation.

 

Let's say that fructose, excess carbs in general, wheat and linoeic acid are all equally contributing to ill health. Wheat is probably the worst, or maybe corn oil, but lets just say...

 

Don't you suppose we could find any number of populations, that, lacking the negative synergy of having all of them in the diet, get away with having just one element?

 

I can think of many examples, but I'll let you do the exercise.

 

Fine is not better. Tolerated is not optimal.

 

If you have the choice, why choose corn or potatoes over meat?

 

I have the choice as I am not forced to live in a paleo neo-rousseauist fantasy world. I have central heat and can choose what I eat. Instead of letting it kill me, I choose to exploit our artifical late post-industrial food abundance to my advantage, even if stuffing myself with nothing but tasty animals was a privilege unavailable to some of my unlucky paleo anscestors who had to stoop to starchy plants.

 

Because we have evolved to tolerate getting some portion of our calories from sources that are nothing but fuel (a good thing in times of scarcity, I should say) does not oblige us to do so, does it?

 

I honestly believe with good nutrition, a moderate amount of tobacco and acohol is also tolerable.

 

Does that mean it is better to do it than not?

 

I will always put biomedical science before ethnography.

 

My reading of biomedical science tells me once you have enough protien, animal fat is healthier than any grain or potato. It definitely tastes better. If you prefer to practice a regime of artificial scarcity or save money, go ahead.

 

But this is an advocacy site. I do not advocate substitution of corn or yams for pastured butter unless you are short money or your child is hungry.

 

Between the Zero carbers and the Kitavan cult, I feel a bit squeezed.

 

Over and over I say that the 10- 30% range for carbs sounds reasonable for most people.

 

Prove to me that 60% is better than 30%. Or at least make the argument. I would do it for you if I could, but I cannot even imagine how it would be constructed. Otherwise please stop perseverating on the Kitavans until a study comes out with something new.

Edited April 13, 2010 by Chickenbackside

[Chickenbackside]

Don't believe, just watch Jap porn...see all the rolls of fat on otherwise slim-looking Jap girls when they had their clothes still on.

Hahaha... Powerful anecdotal evidence indeed!

[Skunk]

Seriously bro CBS,

 

the Kitavans seem to be doing well, that's because smoking is their only vice LOL. Otherwise, they lead relaxing lives on balmy tropical islands, have polygamous relationships with every pussy that comes along http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trobriand_Islands , go fishing everyday, have loads of VitD and a nice tan....how to fall sick living such a life?

 

They can smoke an entire forest of tobacco plants and they would still be healthier than any one of us living in the pollution and stress filled cities :)

[Tonyhawk]

Hahaha... Powerful anecdotal evidence indeed!

 

i wouldnt know, i dont watch jap porn.

 

thanks for all your comments though.

[Chickenbackside]

Yeah, they have pretty good lives.

 

Plenty of coconut, fish, sunshine, love making...

 

 

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008...ping-it-up.html

 

 

Kitava: Wrapping it Up

 

There's a lot to be learned from the Kitava study. Kitavans eat a diet of root vegetables, coconut, fruit, vegetables and fish and have undetectable levels of cardiovascular disease (CVD), stroke and overweight. Despite smoking like chimneys. 69% of their calories come from carbohydrate, 21% from fat and 10% from protein. This is essentially a carbohydrate-heavy version of what our paleolithic ancestors ate. They also get lots of sunshine and have a moderately high activity level.

 

The first thing we can say is that a high intake of carbohydrate is not enough, by itself, to cause overweight or the diseases of civilization. It's also not enough to cause insulin resistance. I sent an e-mail to Dr. Lindeberg asking if his group had measured Kitavans' glucose tolerance. He told me they had not. However, I can only guess they had good glucose control since they suffered from none of the complications of unmanaged diabetes.

 

The Kitavan diet is low in fat, but most of the fat they eat is saturated because it comes from coconuts. Compared to Americans and Swedes, they have a high intake of saturated fat. So much for the theory that saturated fat causes CVD... They also have a relatively high intake of fish fat, at 4g per day. This gives them a high ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acids, with plenty of DHA and EPA.

 

Their blood lipid profile is not what a mainstream cardiologist would expect. In fact, it's "worse" than the Swedish profile in many ways, despite the fact that Swedes are highly prone to CVD. This suggests that blood lipids are not causing CVD, but are simply markers of diet and lifestyle factors. That's very easy for me to swallow because it never made sense to me that our livers would try to kill us by secreting triglycerides and witholding HDL. The blood lipid profile that associates best with CVD and metabolic syndrome in the West (but has no relation to them on Kitava) is one that's consistent with a high carbohydrate intake. Where does carbohydrate come from in the West? Grains and sugar maybe?

 

Kitavans also have very low serum leptin. This may be a keystone to their leanness and health. It suggests that their diet is not interfering with the body's metabolic feedback loops that maintain leanness.

 

The Kitavan diet is one path to vibrant health. Like many other non-industrial groups, Kitavans eat whole, natural foods that are broadly consistent with what our hunter-gatherer ancestors would have eaten. It amazes me that as humans, we can live well on diets that range from complete carnivory to plant-rich omnivory. We are possibly the most adaptable species on the planet.

 

The ideal diet for humans includes a lot of possibilities. I believe the focus on macronutrients is misguided. There are examples of cultures that were/are healthy eating high-fat diets, high-carbohydrate diets and everything in between. What they do not eat is processed grains, particularly wheat, refined sugar, industrially processed vegetable oils and other modern foods. I believe these are unhealthy, and this is visible in the trail of destruction they have left around the globe. Its traces can be found in the Pacific islands, where close genetic relatives of the Kitavans have become morbidly obese and unhealthy on a processed-food diet.

 

One last caveat. I do still believe in the efficacy of low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss and health. The Western diet and lifestyle can damage the metabolism severely, particularly glucose metabolism. It seems to be somewhat reversible, but it depends on the extent of the damage and the individual. People with a history of overweight or poor glucose control should be careful with carbohydrate. It's possible that some people will not be able to handle normal amounts of carbohydrate in any form. Be aware of what your body is telling you.

 

 

[Skunk]

their diet has alot of yam. Ever tried digging one up and cleaning, cutting and cooking it? It's more filling than refined rice that people usually eat, because it's more fibrous, and i feel less sleepy after eating it compared with rice, suggesting it invokes less insulin response than refined carbs....overall, a less fattening food than refined carbs like rice.

 

The digging and cleaning alone can die already LOL

[Skunk]

http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/TheKitavaStudy.html

 

walaio eh the guy crossing his arms look ripped....just look at his muscles LOL. And i don't think he has access to a gym...just plucking coconuts, fishing and running after girls to shag all day long LOL...oh and digging yams too.

 

The study is hilarious...." the only cases of sudden death the residents could recall were accidents such as drowning or falling from a coconut tree. " HAHAHAHA!!!

[Kxbc]

Hmm...I thought it does because I get full very easily...

 

[EDIT] Just read through your links and it appears that the first one supports that a reduced diet does reduce stomach capacity

 

And even if I force myself to eat more, it just won't go in...sigh

 

Of course, it may be also due to the fact that I drink a lot of water...my water content is 50% according to my OSIM scale

 

But in your case, it may be different as you exert so much more than the rest of us...so maybe it's best to listen to your body

I also same as you. Can't eat too much in one seating. My normal portion is the average guy's portion of a meal. But I snack in between meals.

 

My water content averages 62% to 63% daily on my home scale. Readings confirmed using another scale but different brand. No wonder my stomach round round. All full of water inside. I drink around 2l of plain water per day + 2/3 glasses of other beverages eg coffee, milk.