GemLeo 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Share August 18, 2010 hmmm... i was wondering.... in your opinion... how many % or SG drivers still think that it is good to 'flush' your engine with those Engine Flush products???.... i mean it seems many still dont know the harm it does to seals and gaskets... Wah bro... I just bought the OWS 3 in 1 vitamins, engine flush.. fuel stuff as well... means I cannot use them liao?? Where to find out more info regarding these engine flush products? Thanks ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigershark1976 Turbocharged August 18, 2010 Share August 18, 2010 hmmm... i was wondering.... in your opinion... how many % or SG drivers still think that it is good to 'flush' your engine with those Engine Flush products???.... i mean it seems many still dont know the harm it does to seals and gaskets... yap, not only that, if engine really filled with sludge n carbon and the engine flushing chemical is so good... it may ends up choking up the engine as well.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GemLeo 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Share August 18, 2010 WTS: OWS 3 in 1 vitamins.. anyone?? kekeke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 (edited) ya lah, of course when he told me that he was referring to 10K OC lah, even 5K OC also sld change filter. Tell any WS that you don't want to change filter but you want to change oil every 1-2K..........................than they will tell you, you are mad! :angry: .... you then mad ah... actually, the only reason i dont change filter at 5k is because DIY without filter change very fast... my logic i use to convince myself... might be wrong of course... 1) brand new filter = 100% flow rate... 2) used 5k filter = 50% flow rate... due to dirt above 20microns... 3) used 10k filter = nearing end of life... so halfway during the lifespan of the oil filter at 5k... instead of hving another 5k of dirty oil going through it, because i changed new oil, the used 5k oil filter is now having instead, another 5k of NEW oil going through it... so logically, changing the filter at 5k is wasting a filter... BUT changing an oil at 5k, though it can last till 10k, a new oil is better, smoother, shiok to drive... but a new filter will provide no such thing... keke Edited August 18, 2010 by Ken4555 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 Wah bro... I just bought the OWS 3 in 1 vitamins, engine flush.. fuel stuff as well... means I cannot use them liao?? Where to find out more info regarding these engine flush products? Thanks go to car bibles search engine flush lah... my previous COE cars all flush before... all got oil leaking problems... but then could be car oil liao anyways... but no problem before flushing... my present sunny i flushed once at 46k mileage when i got the car... it will be my 1st and last time... just wanna make sure its clean cause i wanted to start using 'good' oils... actually just expensive oils now i realised... haha... i faithfully followed OWS NA Racing... seriously i think the oil is great cause it feelsjust as good till the day i drain it out... but $130 for 4 liters, now i realised i have better ways to spend the $... but i still using their plus i think they are great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 Check your manual on the service interval to change the power steering fluid. I got mine change at 40k and 80k intervals. thanks bro thats what i thought... cause at 40k my car was overshot the years part... you get wat i mean?... like an under driven car but just drain out and replace new fluid or must flush out totally the old one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 WTS: OWS 3 in 1 vitamins.. anyone?? kekeke i dont mind your injector cleaner... :-)... thought i felt no difference the few times i used it, it makes me feel mt injectors are cleaner... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 yap, not only that, if engine really filled with sludge n carbon and the engine flushing chemical is so good... it may ends up choking up the engine as well.. yah i read... cause some sludge will get stuck somewhere inside... also for older engines where it runs fine... if removing too much carbon then the engine will lose compression and less power... in worse case the usual gasket leaks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigershark1976 Turbocharged August 18, 2010 Share August 18, 2010 (edited) thanks bro thats what i thought... cause at 40k my car was overshot the years part... you get wat i mean?... like an under driven car but just drain out and replace new fluid or must flush out totally the old one... just drain out will do... PS fluid is one of the less containminated oil in the car... in fact, there are many argument in bitog on replacement of PS fluid, whether to leave it or replace it... For me, to play safe, i replace it every year (around 40K) when i bleed my brake fluid.. to replace it, simply check on the type of PS fluid u use and get 1 litre. Im driving vios so i buy 4L toyota ATF oil to replace (can use 4 times), use the pump from your used empty shampoo container and pump out the fluid and replace it with new fluid. Repeat the process after driving for a few days, and after 3 to 4 rounds of replacement, the PS fluid in should be 90% new.. Edited August 18, 2010 by Tigershark1976 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken4555 1st Gear August 18, 2010 Author Share August 18, 2010 (edited) just drain out will do... PS fluid is one of the less containminated oil in the car... in fact, there are many argument in bitog on replacement of PS fluid, whether to leave it or replace it... For me, to play safe, i replace it every year (around 40K) when i bleed my brake fluid.. to replace it, simply check on the type of PS fluid u use and get 1 litre. Im driving vios so i buy 4L toyota ATF oil to replace (can use 4 times), use the pump from your used empty shampoo container and pump out the fluid and replace it with new fluid. Repeat the process after driving for a few days, and after 3 to 4 rounds of replacement, the PS fluid in should be 90% new.. alamak i didnt know so troublesome... thought it was a 1 time affair... manual gearbox also got debate... i change twice liao now so far am at almost 70k soon... my friend listens to those 'older' mech and he has not changed his gearbox oil for 4-5 years... no joke... Edited August 18, 2010 by Ken4555 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good-Carbuyer 1st Gear August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 actually, engine oil does "flush" the engine if you use it at much shorter oil change interval eg, using mineral oil and change it at 1000km ... in fact, it is better than many engine flushing solution as engine flushing solution is too strong and may cause more problem... Ex-colleague road-tested locally with engine flushing oil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 (edited) ya lah, of course when he told me that he was referring to 10K OC lah, even 5K OC also sld change filter. Tell any WS that you don't want to change filter but you want to change oil every 1-2K..........................than they will tell you, you are mad! It doesnt matter what the workshop thinks. Its our car not theirs. A lot of workshop do not know what they are doing anyway. I asked for a complete radiator flush and they just drain the coolent in the radiator and did not know there is coolent in the engine block! Actually they did not know there is coolent in the reservior also. JB workshop. They just learn from seeing what other mechanics do and follow and not from the principles of engineering. I agree with Ken, it is better to change oil every 5k and oil filter every 10k than filter every 5k and oil every 10k. Also if I have an engine with sludge, I would buy the cheapest mineral oil and change the oil every 500 miles and get the gunk out a bit at a time rather than do an engine flush and try to dislodge every time in one go and choke the engine. But thats just me, if other people have other ways, its their cars to try. (I just saw Tigershark post about OC every 1000km instead of flush and I completely agree with that too.) Edited August 19, 2010 by Jamesc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 aiyo bro, if you get 20 bottles of engine oil free, come here and sell 15 bottles to some of us at cheap cheap price, take the $$$ go buy a few cheap cheap oil filter, than change oil every 5K with new oil and oil filter lah.............. My WS guy told me before, if change oil without changing filter, might as well don't change the oil. Not I say one hor, WS told me one hor. well some older workshop guys said not to flush brake fluid. no need to do one. or flush power steering fluid, just top up can already. you believe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 thanks for the info... then my power steering fluid... should i flush it? am reaching 70k.... aircon is working fine and very cold... but almost 70k 4 years liao think i should change the compressor oil?? or is it "if it ain't broken, dont touch it..." haha can change the power steering fluid. use tiger's method or if you want to be faster jack up the front wheels and disconnect the hoses. then turn the steering left to right a few times to pump out all the old oil. connect back the hoses and then add fresh fluid and also do the same left to right to clear the air in the hoses and rack. method 2 is 100% flush. but kinda messy. for a/c up to you. but i feel if its cold then leave it. compressors can conk for other reasons also not just because oil is dirty. main issue of a/c failure is due to lack of a a/c filter and then you switch to using outside air. this results in little dried leaves getting sucked into the condenser and with moisture it becomes and weak acid and eats the coil. so dun itchy itchy switch to outside air if you do not have a filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 well some older workshop guys said not to flush brake fluid. no need to do one. or flush power steering fluid, just top up can already. you believe? I very well believe that. They don't understand chemistry and that brake fluid absorbs water which will lower the boiling point and that means the brakes will heat up faster and be less responsive. The last thing you wann have is fading brakes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 (edited) One more WS story. I added ready mixed coolent to my radiator and the uncle said I added to much coolent and have to add water to it! Edited August 19, 2010 by Jamesc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 I very well believe that. They don't understand chemistry and that brake fluid absorbs water which will lower the boiling point and that means the brakes will heat up faster and be less responsive. The last thing you wann have is fading brakes! my point was half the workshop people i've met dont know what the hell they are doing. everything its ok to them and can one. when it spoils its your problem or its like that one and not their problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 19, 2010 Share August 19, 2010 (edited) my point was half the workshop people i've met dont know what the hell they are doing. everything its ok to them and can one. when it spoils its your problem or its like that one and not their problem. I got your point. You are exactly right bro. My old car the spoiler was coming a bit loose on one side and needed glueing back. I ask the mechanic if can he fix it. So he pull the spoiler out out more until its half way hanging and then he tells me - no cannot fix! He just made the problem worse! Edited August 19, 2010 by Jamesc ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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