Coupecabriolet Clutched October 12, 2010 Share October 12, 2010 i did mention engine efficiency and performance. i don't think i have to keep repeating myself "engine efficiency and engine performance". anyway from the recent posts and discussion, the numbers quoted and touched on are mostly BHP, torque, FC or fuel economy and acceleration figures, + common abbreviations like NA TC SC. it should be obvious enough what im discussing. if i want to bring in suspension, i would be using a bunch of other words like chassis, suspension, torsion beam, multi-link, coilover, etc (just anyhow one). ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrocious 1st Gear October 13, 2010 Share October 13, 2010 So what? you drive at 160km/h without exceeding 2.4k rpm woh! http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2655680 http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2655940 May be doable but it will take a long long time before he hits 160km/h Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer Clutched October 13, 2010 Share October 13, 2010 there is no simple answer to this simple question. buy car means buy the whole package to serve my intend and purposes. Not many ppl only buy based on engine size and its output. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glxfan 1st Gear August 16, 2011 Author Share August 16, 2011 (edited) happen to read through this very old thread again and saw many expert opinions and useful advice here :) and some very interesting comments by banned and un-banned members... :P just the other day, I had a chance to test drive the vw roc 1.4tsi, and indeed it has a very torquey feel to it. Felt that the 0-100 was dispatched much much quicker than what the official time denotes (at least, from my perspective). The pull from 1k rpm to 5+k rpm was the greatest, but noticed a loss in power after which, maybe the engine wasn't made to redline for power, very different from the working mechanics of bigger cc NA engines which have more power the moment it reaches higher rpm. After driving so many NA and turbo machines, I understood the difference in driving NA vs turbo engines, in my opinion NA with high revving capabilities seems to have a higher fun factor as well as giving a feel of more control over a turbo-ed car, at least to me that is. Hope you guys do not induce anymore flaming session, this thread is merely a thread to share experiences between these 2 types of engines and petrolheads for discussion and exchange, cheers! :) NA rocks! Edited August 16, 2011 by Glxfan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 happen to read through this very old thread again and saw many expert opinions and useful advice here :) and some very interesting comments by banned and un-banned members... :P just the other day, I had a chance to test drive the vw roc 1.4tsi, and indeed it has a very torquey feel to it. Felt that the 0-100 was dispatched much much quicker than what the official time denotes (at least, from my perspective). The pull from 1k rpm to 5+k rpm was the greatest, but noticed a loss in power after which, maybe the engine wasn't made to redline for power, very different from the working mechanics of bigger cc NA engines which have more power the moment it reaches higher rpm. After driving so many NA and turbo machines, I understood the difference in driving NA vs turbo engines, in my opinion NA with high revving capabilities seems to have a higher fun factor as well as giving a feel of more control over a turbo-ed car, at least to me that is. Hope you guys do not induce anymore flaming session, this thread is merely a thread to share experiences between these 2 types of engines and petrolheads for discussion and exchange, cheers! :) NA rocks! Go try the Scirocco 1.4 and the 2.0 back to back then u can tell the diff. I agree big CC NA is more shiok to drive, no replacement for displacement baby... big engine feels shiok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupecabriolet Clutched August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 happen to read through this very old thread again and saw many expert opinions and useful advice here :) and some very interesting comments by banned and un-banned members... :P just the other day, I had a chance to test drive the vw roc 1.4tsi, and indeed it has a very torquey feel to it. Felt that the 0-100 was dispatched much much quicker than what the official time denotes (at least, from my perspective). The pull from 1k rpm to 5+k rpm was the greatest, but noticed a loss in power after which, maybe the engine wasn't made to redline for power, very different from the working mechanics of bigger cc NA engines which have more power the moment it reaches higher rpm. After driving so many NA and turbo machines, I understood the difference in driving NA vs turbo engines, in my opinion NA with high revving capabilities seems to have a higher fun factor as well as giving a feel of more control over a turbo-ed car, at least to me that is. Hope you guys do not induce anymore flaming session, this thread is merely a thread to share experiences between these 2 types of engines and petrolheads for discussion and exchange, cheers! :) NA rocks! bro, i have the 1.4TSI twincharged roc. after 160km/h, out of breath already haha very torquey at low speeds, sometimes feel like jerking about, not comfortable for people who are more familiar with NA setup. on the other hand, my family have the E250 cabriolet, 1.8L turbocharged direct injection, 204bhp 310nm torque, 0-100km/h around the same as the roc but less torquey at low speeds. sometimes it feels retarded to me. maybe its just the stupid 5AT gearbox. but above 160km/h, still have decent punch. to me, if price is an issue, go for smaller engines with supercharger or turbocharger (low road tax, better fuel economy). if price is not an issue, everyone would have gone for fat and big v8 engines. sadly, most people belong to the first group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Go try the Scirocco 1.4 and the 2.0 back to back then u can tell the diff. I agree big CC NA is more shiok to drive, no replacement for displacement baby... big engine feels shiok The issue is though that more and more governments and regulators are trying to remove the shiokness from driving. To them it is not meant to be fun, but rather just a way to get us to and from work without making ketchup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolie888 Clutched August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Yup, high-capacity NA engines rock! Nothing beats the response linearity and the engine growl at very high RPMs of a >3L V6 or V8 NA engine. These are the true great Gran Tourismo (GT) cars - built for long-haul, trans-continental European journeys. Somehow the 'GT' word has morphed into puny induction-engined cars nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceroymenthol 6th Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Yup, high-capacity NA engines rock! Nothing beats the response linearity and the engine growl at very high RPMs of a >3L V6 or V8 NA engine. These are the true great Gran Tourismo (GT) cars - built for long-haul, trans-continental European journeys. Somehow the 'GT' word has morphed into puny induction-engined cars nowadays. No need transcontinental journeys, even in urban traffic in singapore, nothing beats big engines and the more cylinders the better. Effortless smooth power. Nothing less than 3L and six cylinders. Heck even BMW's 2.5L inline 6 is far far smoother than those 1.8L turbos of Audi and Merc. No matter how much Audi and Merc dampen their FI inline 4 engine vibration using soft engine mounts, can still feel the boost when the power kicks in, as compared to the linear delivery of big cc 6 or 8 cylinders. Those who say otherwise should just test drive and see. Really no replacement for displacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 bigger cc car have colder aircon and have more torque Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceroymenthol 6th Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 bigger cc car have colder aircon and have more torque Also no need to switch off aircon when kui vtec Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picanto 3rd Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Hey guys and fellow motoring enthusiast, Just wondering, why are people still buying 2.0l cars when the equivalent 1.4 (super + turbo charged) can be had at lower road tax and better performance, open for discussion:) Btw this is not a bashing thread for 2.0 vs 1.4 or VW vs honda (example only) kind of thread, parties who made whatever decision pls do share your reasons and thoughts, thanks! its because have lots of $$$$$. those with little $$ will not understand and they will start such a topic to gain more knowledge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy-T 1st Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Hey guys and fellow motoring enthusiast, Just wondering, why are people still buying 2.0l cars when the equivalent 1.4 (super + turbo charged) can be had at lower road tax and better performance, open for discussion:) Btw this is not a bashing thread for 2.0 vs 1.4 or VW vs honda (example only) kind of thread, parties who made whatever decision pls do share your reasons and thoughts, thanks! The main reason is that they can afford it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zze121 3rd Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Should go for test drive to learn the diff in every cars, by hear say will only make yourself blur. The shiokness is priceless, TC is even best as it's make 1 feel high once the TC kicks in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudel- 1st Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 (edited) The cars mentioned arent that big (displacement) really. Probably only in SG. People that love big CC cars are Americans and Australians. Best example is the Americans' Corvettes and Australians' HSV R8, 6.2L V8.... that thing drinks over 20L/100km. Should go for test drive to learn the diff in every cars, by hear say will only make yourself blur. The shiokness is priceless, TC is even best as it's make 1 feel high once the TC kicks in. Indeed. May I add, a tuned TC is much much better than a stock. Edited August 17, 2011 by Strudel- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soran 1st Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 I drive a Jetta Sport twincharged Bought it in Nov 2010 and have no regrets. Mine is tuned up to around 190+hp with a tuning box. Even at stock this car is fun. Tuned up, this car is scary in SG's traffic where 0-100 is more relevant than top speed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zze121 3rd Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 The cars mentioned arent that big (displacement) really. Probably only in SG. People that love big CC cars are Americans and Australians. Best example is the Americans' Corvettes and Australians' HSV R8, 6.2L V8.... that thing drinks over 20L/100km. Indeed. May I add, a tuned TC is much much better than a stock. Their pickup is already a monster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W210k 1st Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 I drive a Jetta Sport twincharged Bought it in Nov 2010 and have no regrets. Mine is tuned up to around 190+hp with a tuning box. Even at stock this car is fun. Tuned up, this car is scary in SG's traffic where 0-100 is more relevant than top speed.... My stock NA car is even fun-nier (sorry, pardon the pun). Much more than your tuned-up 190 bhp. Untuned, my car is even more scarier in SG's traffic, where 0-100 is more relevant ..... But then, I have top speed too! Sorry ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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