Odometer changed.

[Ronaldling3217]

got my kia cerato for 1 year just realised my odometer tampered with. 3 year old when i got it, it was roughly 29k mileage. now felt engine very shakey when to check with a few workshop, they say engine mounting need to change, most likely mileage is 80k at least.. felt so cheated..

 

faster go change ...if not roll more become more serious

[Mksoo]

I be straightforward. Firstly, you are under the assumption that the car is being driven all the way till the day it is sold and handed over to you.

 

For all you know, it might have been parked at the dealer's lot for a few months. Altis isn't exactly the hottest car around considering that there are about 988,492,762 of it in the market.

 

Secondly, the bolded phrase already shows the kind of mentality that you have. Just because you throw a few bucks to them doesn't mean that they will bend over for you. Price is what you pay, value is what you get, and yada and yada,..

 

Some cars are stuck at dealer's lot for over a year or more. It becomes permanently transferred after 1 year. Some cars are sold even before entering the lot.

 

I've seen cars that clock 30+K over 5 years, also cars that clock over 200+K over 3 years (an Airwave).

 

well ... you might be right ... the car might have been with the dealer for months .... like i mentioned ... who will anyone changed the reading for just 8k ???

 

i nvr expect anything extra ... not to mention " bend over for me" ... ...... i feel like i'm the one bending over ..... kakakka

 

price is what i paid .... and value is what i get ???? not all the time ... well .... up to each to judge ..

 

 

Happy New year everyone !!!!!

 

 

 

mk

[Toyomax]

Sigh!

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...161&DL=1000

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...238&DL=2049

 

Another case of tempered odometer. Could it be the same car? cos OMV is different leh.

 

If it's the same car, then this dealer must be avoided at all costs. :angry:

[Mamamia]

Sigh!

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...161&DL=1000

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...238&DL=2049

 

Another case of tempered odometer. Could it be the same car? cos OMV is different leh.

 

If it's the same car, then this dealer must be avoided at all costs. :angry:

 

Looks same to me

[Contax]

Probably the former sub-con to the latter and alter the odo at the same time .

[Fr33d0m]

Hi,

 

Recently i faced this issue. I bought a 2nd hand car last year. When i sold my car, the new buyer found out that the odometer was tampered. The new dealer request me to compensate.

 

I had evidence that the previous dealer passed the car to me at 45k km. I passed the car to the new dealer at 69k km and was written on the agreement. Record from AD was 87k km last year.

 

Must i compensate?

 

Any advice will be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Eyke]

Recently i faced this issue. I bought a 2nd hand car last year. When i sold my car, the new buyer found out that the odometer was tampered. The new dealer request me to compensate.

 

is deal already done, ie. money and car exchanged already?

 

if so, no basis to ask for compensation unless there is something in ur contract for this...

 

[Scamp1]

Do you believe 3 years old car with 28K mileage only ?

[Melvyn]

Do you believe 3 years old car with 28K mileage only ?

 

In most cases maybe too little to be true.. But mine is like that. 2 years and 7 mths mileage is 22K KM so I suppose there are cars like that ard. Few but still would have. Only question is where this figure is from. If in a dealer's lot then chances are might be false. If from direct owner might be true.

[Dice]

Hi,

 

Recently i faced this issue. I bought a 2nd hand car last year. When i sold my car, the new buyer found out that the odometer was tampered. The new dealer request me to compensate.

 

I had evidence that the previous dealer passed the car to me at 45k km. I passed the car to the new dealer at 69k km and was written on the agreement. Record from AD was 87k km last year.

 

Must i compensate?

 

Any advice will be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

U did 24000 km when u had the car. So where did u svc your car? 45000 km should still normally have a 3rd free svc or yours is over the period? If it's really been tampered with I think can go after previous dealer gua. Sales in SG very black and white so cannot run away unless that dealer close shop liao

[Fr33d0m]

is deal already done, ie. money and car exchanged already?

 

if so, no basis to ask for compensation unless there is something in ur contract for this...

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

The deal is done and money, car all exchanged..

 

The agreement only state 69k km which was shown on the odometer at the point when i sold the car..

 

The dealer use the agreement to say that i had give them false information and they can go sue me for small claim.

 

The previous servicing done at AD was before i bought this car..

 

I also have a inspection record with 45k km in odometer recorded by STA showing the detail of previous dealer.

[Fr33d0m]

U did 24000 km when u had the car. So where did u svc your car? 45000 km should still normally have a 3rd free svc or yours is over the period? If it's really been tampered with I think can go after previous dealer gua. Sales in SG very black and white so cannot run away unless that dealer close shop liao

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I only bought the car last year and when the previous dealer handed over the car to me, he told me servicing done (i am not sure where he sent the car for servicing). so i didn't send for any servicing. The last servicing recorded last year march in AD was 73k km and 1 month (which was last year july) before i bought the car, there was a change in battery and the recorded was 87k km. When i got the car, it was 45k km.

 

Now i don't know whether the new dealer can sue me with this agreement and whether i can use the evidence i have to claim from my previous dealer.

 

I have the previous sale agreement and inspection record.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Fr33d0m

[Passion]

There is no basis for compensation. Even if have, it is not your onus to compensate them. After all, the bugger who cheated you should go and settle this. If you have proof you are being cheated, you can counter sue the dealer for misrepresenting the information. But on the other hand, you have to prove to the current dealer you are a victim as well.

[PSP415]

Yes, e new dealer can sue u at Small Claims but since u hv b/w evidence of yr mileage at time of purchase and subsequent servicing records, it will b difficult to prove that you tampered with e current mileage/odometer.

 

Misrepresntation is valid only if you KNEW and chose to go along with e tampered mileage. It is easy to prove that you had no knowledge of it as you were just as clueless when u first purchased e ride.

 

So, any compensation frm yr part will b purely based on goodwill and nt admittance of guilt or foreknowledge. Haizzz.....pls b careful and exercise due diligence with future used car purchases......always verify/clarify/confirm watever in Black+White BEFORE signing on dotted/blank space.

 

This episode leaves a bitter taste becos e real culprit got away......let's nt fall easy prey to such in our dealings.

 

 

Cheers

 

[Dice]

hmmm bro i think u have a solid case, it will be good to expose such dealers to the law of the land and will benefit car buyers.

[Johnnylim]

Aiyah...the authorities can't even do anything abt e pampering of odometers by those 2nd car dealers. Dun worry too much if u hv those proofs.

[Darryn]

Part of the problem here would be that the first dealer could also claim he was cheated. How to prove whether it was the previous owner or the dealer that rewound the odo?

 

The TS however has all the proof he needs.

 

It is high time that the authorities did something about this.

 

There are a number of things that I could think of to combat it (none are a complete solution by themselves though)

1. Start a national registry of servicing - so everytime a car is serviced it is entered into a database with the car plate and mileage recorded

2. Case Trust could launch a "verified mileage log" that has the same thing (i.e a booklet that records all work done on the car) - this would also benefit future buyers so there would be a strong incentive to maintain it

3. Make it a crime in and of itself to wind back mileage, which could be tagged to tighter restrictions on the paper work that is done - i.e, when a car is transferred to a dealer, the mileage must be recorded in the agreement, and then again when it is transferred to the new owner. Make this "publicly avialable information" When doing this, perhaps also exempt dealers from transfer fees so long as certain requirements are met.

4. Have a "log card" with every vehicle that tracks a history of every owner and when / how many km they transferred ownership.

 

 

Most important strategy though,, and what must be done first is to make it illegal to wind odo - currently it is not a crime per se, but is a contract dispute to be settled between the affected parties - this totally needs to change.

 

[Tom_kkh]

Thanks for the reply.

 

The deal is done and money, car all exchanged..

 

The agreement only state 69k km which was shown on the odometer at the point when i sold the car..

 

The dealer use the agreement to say that i had give them false information and they can go sue me for small claim.

 

The previous servicing done at AD was before i bought this car..

 

I also have a inspection record with 45k km in odometer recorded by STA showing the detail of previous dealer.

 

 

just deny and u can also they tempered with it not u wht. did u?

 

no proof nothing he can do.

Edited September 14, 2011 by Tom_kkh