MAZDA 6

[DACH]

Hi bros,

 

Much superior engine and performance but twice the price and looks like cheaper clone of the mazda 6

[Heartbreakid]

I am surprised that that Mazda 6 fares quite poorly in terms of engine noise insulation or maybe the engine itself emits quite fair bit of noise due to its design nature. I thought this 3rd facelift had address concerns regarding its NVH, but after reading some feedbacks here, it seems otherwise. But still it is a very handsome ride.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Heartbreakid

[DK3410]

Our tax structure is different from overseas. You keep on comparing with overseas for what?

 

Yes our tax structure is overseas. But features are just equipment, no reason for there to be significant differences unless LTA has laws against those features.

 

Besides, you seem to just keep targeting me since the earlier few posts.

 

Are you a stalker or something?

[RogerNg_185295]

Yes our tax structure is overseas. But features are just equipment, no reason for there to be significant differences unless LTA has laws against those features.

 

Besides, you seem to just keep targeting me since the earlier few posts.

 

Are you a stalker or something?

Cos you must compare valid things.

[DK3410]

Cos you must compare valid things.

 

Yes, I was comparing valid things.

 

I don't see how making objective comparisons between FEATURES available in the overseas top-specced models and our available top-specced models here is invalid. Please educate me if you deem it otherwise.

 

In addition, it's still apparent that since page 167, you've been basically trying to antagonize me and only me regardless of what I"m posting.

[Ody_2004]

I think what Roger trying to say is with more features the OMV will go up.. with SG tax structure this will add to the overall price of the car which put them in a different price segment.

 

With a different price segment, the targeted customer may choose other brands/models instead which result in poorer sales..

 

just like a boxer who keep his weight inbetween light and feather light.. when his chance of winning is higher in feather weight category he will go on a diet to be in that segment. 

 

Mazda agent not the only one that look into features vs OMV.. lots of cars we get is a stripped down version. Make worse by locals simply not prepare to pay so much for a well equipped car. 

[DK3410]

I think what Roger trying to say is with more features the OMV will go up.. with SG tax structure this will add to the overall price of the car which put them in a different price segment.

 

With a different price segment, the targeted customer may choose other brands/models instead which result in poorer sales..

 

just like a boxer who keep his weight inbetween light and feather light.. when his chance of winning is higher in feather weight category he will go on a diet to be in that segment. 

 

Mazda agent not the only one that look into features vs OMV.. lots of cars we get is a stripped down version. Make worse by locals simply not prepare to pay so much for a well equipped car. 

 

Okay, I understand that point.

 

Thank you for the clarification.

[Gabdat]

Hi Gabdat,

 

Oh no .. certainly mazda 6 is not Jaguar .. lol !

 

Just that many mentioned they look similar and while late, this latest FL mazda 6 is in fact nicer looking imho.

 

Indeed not 2x but ballparked ... 177/98 (std) is 1.8x to be precise then.

 

Btw the 3 conti mentioned, there is no question to me on reliable merc e class ... and no other consideration if decide so but no more lust for 200k cars with limited $ but unlimited better things to do in life for around 30k/yr cost of ownership.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

i agree.Mazda 6 looks far handsome and more "garang".and if i had to choose between the 2,i'll take the 6 any day everyday. btw,don't think the e class is as reliable a it was before.think the last hardy e class  was the 2007 model(the rounded headlights).there after,it's just downhill.

P.S.-standard 6 is $98k?wow..very good price for the size and build.

I am surprised that that Mazda 6 fares quite poorly in terms of engine noise insulation or maybe the engine itself emits quite fair bit of noise due to its design nature. I thought this 3rd facelift had address concerns regarding its NVH, but after reading some feedbacks here, it seems otherwise. But still it is a very handsome ride.

shouldn't judge by the feedback here.you should test it out yourself.the looks actually matches the ride. granted i didn't buy it but for the build quality inside out and smooth transmission,you're getting a bargain..if that makes sense

[DK3410]

i agree.Mazda 6 looks far handsome and more "garang".and if i had to choose between the 2,i'll take the 6 any day everyday. btw,don't think the e class is as reliable a it was before.think the last hardy e class  was the 2007 model(the rounded headlights).there after,it's just downhill.

P.S.-standard 6 is $98k?wow..very good price for the size and build.

shouldn't judge by the feedback here.you should test it out yourself.the looks actually matches the ride. granted i didn't buy it but for the build quality inside out and smooth transmission,you're getting a bargain..if that makes sense

 

I'm driving the new 2018 FL model, 2.5L.

 

I have sat in my colleagues' pre-FL model and I feel that NVH has improved quite significantly in the new model.

 

In terms of NVH, it's a huge upgrade over the previous cars I've driven (except possibly the Cefiro 2.3L V6).

 

I think nothing beats experiencing a test-drive to truly "see for yourself".

 

In the Japanese carmaker category, the only ones who still bring in the family sedan segment are:

Mazda - Mazda 6

Toyota - Camry

Subaru - Legacy

 

Honda and Nissan have both pulled out because of tightened emissions regulations. Which is a real pity because I loved the old Honda Accord.

[RogerNg_185295]

I think what Roger trying to say is with more features the OMV will go up.. with SG tax structure this will add to the overall price of the car which put them in a different price segment.

 

With a different price segment, the targeted customer may choose other brands/models instead which result in poorer sales..

 

just like a boxer who keep his weight inbetween light and feather light.. when his chance of winning is higher in feather weight category he will go on a diet to be in that segment.

 

Mazda agent not the only one that look into features vs OMV.. lots of cars we get is a stripped down version. Make worse by locals simply not prepare to pay so much for a well equipped car.

thanks. In summary, our car specs and features must be seen in the local context. This is due to the tax system. What I cannot stand is that agents are being criticise for bringing in low specs cars to sell . They are running a business and profits is number 1. And I am not targeting anyone.

[Ody_2004]

thanks. In summary, our car specs and features must be seen in the local context. This is due to the tax system. What I cannot stand is that agents are being criticise for bringing in low specs cars to sell . They are running a business and profits is number 1. And I am not targeting anyone.

Yes agreed!

 

Agents are to make money to support their staffs.

 

Everyone want to earn more have high salary and big bonuses. They got families to feed and we got too.

 

Don’t squeeze the sales rep so hard. Just a fair deal would be good enuff.

 

What goes around come around

[Spurman]

thanks. In summary, our car specs and features must be seen in the local context. This is due to the tax system. What I cannot stand is that agents are being criticise for bringing in low specs cars to sell . They are running a business and profits is number 1. And I am not targeting anyone.

 

Yup.. We cant speculate how much their running costs, etc. How much they want to earn, etc. In business, its survival and making profits. Nobody wants to operate at loss or on charity mode.

 

If you feel that their prices are high and not worth your money. Take it somewhere else. End day nobody points the gun on your head to force you to buy. Buying a car is emotional, part of it is on price. But a lot of it is on impulse. Feel of value. Feel of getting a good deal. The drive feel. The car model perhaps you have aimed so long and desired for so long.

[DK3410]

thanks. In summary, our car specs and features must be seen in the local context. This is due to the tax system. What I cannot stand is that agents are being criticise for bringing in low specs cars to sell . They are running a business and profits is number 1. And I am not targeting anyone.

 

Hey, it's actually constructive criticism.

 

It's about making a good sales pitch by making your customer see what is value for money.

 

In my humble opinion, the interior of the Mz6 is already very good, and its specs sheet already impressive. If it just had that 1-2 more "premium" features that other makers have (not even contis, Subaru has them with Eyesight), I doubt it would cost significantly more, and customers may (not definitely) choose them over say a premium conti where those are additional "options" that cost an arm and a leg...

 

For reference, the heads-up display is a $4700 option on the E-class, and a $6400 option on the Audi A6. If you fiddle around on their websites.

[RogerNg_185295]

Yup.. We cant speculate how much their running costs, etc. How much they want to earn, etc. In business, its survival and making profits. Nobody wants to operate at loss or on charity mode.

 

If you feel that their prices are high and not worth your money. Take it somewhere else. End day nobody points the gun on your head to force you to buy. Buying a car is emotional, part of it is on price. But a lot of it is on impulse. Feel of value. Feel of getting a good deal. The drive feel. The car model perhaps you have aimed so long and desired for so long.

Off track a bit .....It's like seeing a doctor. Are we to avoid doctors that make lots of profits? For me, how much they make out of me is not a concern, its whether they can make me well again. I do not understand why some people are jealous of how much a business or company is making out of him or her

[Heartbreakid]

i agree.Mazda 6 looks far handsome and more "garang".and if i had to choose between the 2,i'll take the 6 any day everyday. btw,don't think the e class is as reliable a it was before.think the last hardy e class was the 2007 model(the rounded headlights).there after,it's just downhill.

P.S.-standard 6 is $98k?wow..very good price for the size and build.

 

shouldn't judge by the feedback here.you should test it out yourself.the looks actually matches the ride. granted i didn't buy it but for the build quality inside out and smooth transmission,you're getting a bargain..if that makes sense

Yes, in terms of price. Mazda 6 is a great deal that is hard to resist.

[andrewyewkc]

i agree.Mazda 6 looks far handsome and more "garang".and if i had to choose between the 2,i'll take the 6 any day everyday. btw,don't think the e class is as reliable a it was before.think the last hardy e class  was the 2007 model(the rounded headlights).there after,it's just downhill.

 

 

I had posted this chart in another thread. Mercedes reliability started improving from 2007 until 2014 when it started to take a turn for the worse. (Y-axis is number of problems)

 

Taken from this video if anyone is interested:

Edited November 26, 2018 by andrewyewkc

[DK3410]

Off track a bit .....It's like seeing a doctor. Are we to avoid doctors that make lots of profits? For me, how much they make out of me is not a concern, its whether they can make me well again. I do not understand why some people are jealous of how much a business or company is making out of him or her

 

Because for some reason our "gahment" also takes issue with this wor...

 

Look at the Brunei royalty case of "overcharging", and recent "fee guidelines" to curb "over-charging" in private sector...

 

But really, I see your point (thanks to Ody).

 

I'm merely saying that certain features should have been brought in as opposed to leaving them out on the groundless basis of "won't be used often". And it's not like those are features only found in premium contis.

 

So yea, it's already a good deal, a good bargain, can be made better, if the price is still right.

[Gabdat]

I had posted this chart in another thread. Mercedes reliability started improving from 2007 until 2014 when it started to take a turn for the worse. (Y-axis is number of problems)

 

Taken from this video if anyone is interested:

yah..i saw this video sometime back.might be true but some of the mechanics i know tent to condemn merc as being too complicated and too much sensors and electronics