Wishcumstrue 6th Gear December 12, 2011 Author Share December 12, 2011 This plane is huge comparing to the F35. Both different animals. F35 for multi-national, shared components, VSTOL-capable low cost attack stealth. J20 is larger & heavier. Super-cruise capable and longer-range with greater stealth multirole. More like F22/T50. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 J-20 test flight Nov 12. HD resolution with original sounds taken a local aviation fan. Notable scenes: 1) Test pilot boarding. 2) Variable nozzle changes 3) Engines spool up tone (this one gave me the goose-bumps!) 4) Pre-flight controls checks and very fast responses - DFC in action. 5) Line-up taxi for a/b take-off - (camera man at good spot) 6) Fly-by over the airfield - kinda like giving a free airshow demo with kids amongst the on-lookers. 7) Wind turbulence can be heard when it flew over the landing path. 8) Drag-chute landing. The speed those control surfaces move is amazingly fast.. Hardware-wise, it seems up to standard.. now it's the software implementation.. Canard equipped planes are impossible to fly without computer help in minor adjustment of the canard angles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 the F-35 JSF are never meant to be an air superiority fighter.. the US has the F/A-22 for that.. F-35 is meant to replace the F-16 as a affordable multirole air-to-air/air-to-ground fighter.. Take a look at the amount(and variety) of arnaments the F-16 can carry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerano 1st Gear December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 the F-35 JSF are never meant to be an air superiority fighter.. the US has the F/A-22 for that.. F-35 is meant to replace the F-16 as a affordable multirole air-to-air/air-to-ground fighter.. Take a look at the amount(and variety) of arnaments the F-16 can carry. Its actually meant to be a multi-role fighter designed to be capable against multiple air, naval or ground threats. Its BVR capability safely outguns even the J20 with the Northrop Grumman MMA AESA. Exactly its meant to be a cheaper F-22 or F-16 with stealth. It is also a replacement for the F/A-18 eventually apart from the B variant being utilised on MEU LHDs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 Its BVR capability safely outguns even the J20 with the Northrop Grumman MMA AESA. We don't know how good is the BVR capabilities of the Chinese planes yet.. but for sure, US technologies are tried and tested in various wars, starting from 1st Gulf war to Kosovo to 2nd Gulf War... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerano 1st Gear December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 (edited) We don't know how good is the BVR capabilities of the Chinese planes yet.. but for sure, US technologies are tried and tested in various wars, starting from 1st Gulf war to Kosovo to 2nd Gulf War... Various defence analysts have actually speculated from what they have seen of the J-20 or similar and that China has designed a fighter to match the F-22's capability only in waves. 1:1 it is no hope but hopefully with a 10:1 ratio of loss or more that China can afford, attrition will eventually wear out the US. However, we also forget that the US trains the best fighter pilots in the world so machine means only 1/3 of the game. Then again we have RAND Corporation with its Pacific Vision Exercise scenario which damned the US. Edited December 12, 2011 by Cerano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishcumstrue 6th Gear December 12, 2011 Author Share December 12, 2011 it mentions the usual high off boresight capability of the F-35 (meaning you dont have to maintain the lock by centering on the target in the middle of your HUD. Off bore shots systems are widely used today, including Including RSAF's F16D and F15SG (Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) Source: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_we...c08_weapon.html It was the Russian who pioneered the HMS system in 1980s starting from Mig29/Su27. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerano 1st Gear December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 Off bore shots systems are widely used today, including Including RSAF's F16D and F15SG (Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) Source: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_we...c08_weapon.html It was the Russian who pioneered the HMS system in 1980s starting from Mig29/Su27. Yes thats why i emphasised the word usual, the unique feature that I mentioned was the ability by the DAS to fire away from the target and let the missiles turn backwards towards the enemy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishcumstrue 6th Gear December 12, 2011 Author Share December 12, 2011 The speed those control surfaces move is amazingly fast.. Hardware-wise, it seems up to standard.. now it's the software implementation.. Canard equipped planes are impossible to fly without computer help in minor adjustment of the canard angles. Yes, the controls has to lighting fast and precise, else no way this unstable bird will even fly. In fact, the flight control IS already both a s/w and h/w implementation. What they need is to explore the envelopes & refine the flight charactistics. So J-20 is going for test, test test test and MORE test! And as in any flight testing, the danger is always there. Classic one is in this 1992 video when a YF22 crashed when a flight control software error failed to prevent a pilot-induced oscillation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishcumstrue 6th Gear December 12, 2011 Author Share December 12, 2011 Yes thats why i emphasised the word usual, the unique feature that I mentioned was the ability by the DAS to fire away from the target and let the missiles turn backwards towards the enemy Cannot be unique leh...I thought such off-bore shot is already available in Russian/Israel/Chinese AA systems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 Its actually meant to be a multi-role fighter designed to be capable against multiple air, naval or ground threats. Its BVR capability safely outguns even the J20 with the Northrop Grumman MMA AESA. Exactly its meant to be a cheaper F-22 or F-16 with stealth. It is also a replacement for the F/A-18 eventually apart from the B variant being utilised on MEU LHDs Some how the development of Lightning II for multi-role purposes reminds me of what they have done more than 50 years ago with Phantom II. Nostalgic... Just for old warbird lovers here is the McDonnell Douglas F4 Phantom II: and the cute spook that represents this magnificent jet: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 no need scared maybe chinese pilot will kenna lost for 2 hrs and waiting for instruction from HQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Twincharged December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 Official maiden flight at ChengDu with presence of VIP. Photo taken by armature Chinese aviation enthusista on 11 Jan 2011 outside parameter fence. Auspicious date: 8th day of 12 month on Lunar calender The "propaganda" slogans accompanying each photo are laughable! I think even for their younger generation, this kind of thing has gone out of style long ago... I think their technology can only get better and better with time. Those buying made-in-china products will have noticed the improvement in quality over recent few years... and nobody can beat their pricing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 Some how the development of Lightning II for multi-role purposes reminds me of what they have done more than 50 years ago with Phantom II. Nostalgic... Just for old warbird lovers here is the McDonnell Douglas F4 Phantom II: Classic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged December 12, 2011 Share December 12, 2011 The "propaganda" slogans accompanying each photo are laughable! I think even for their younger generation, this kind of thing has gone out of style long ago... I think their technology can only get better and better with time. Those buying made-in-china products will have noticed the improvement in quality over recent few years... and nobody can beat their pricing. LOL.. our military ads and posters are not much better in terms of propaganda postings.. [laugh] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishcumstrue 6th Gear January 11, 2012 Author Share January 11, 2012 Time really "飞"! Today is 1st year of prototype-2001 test flight having completed a total of 62 sorties so far. More test to cum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic April 3, 2012 Share April 3, 2012 In today's context agile dog fighters like F16s may not go very far from now on. Newer technologies like UAV may be the new toy they want to fully develop. Or new configurations for BVR capabilities (hence bigger internal bay to store these munitions) for new manned aircraft will be the future trend. Side track & OT a bit. Why F15SG was selected still puzzles me till this day.... We only buy American and we buy 30 year old American. Like A4 Skyhawk, E2C etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrolexB 1st Gear April 4, 2012 Share April 4, 2012 We only buy American and we buy 30 year old American. Like A4 Skyhawk, E2C etc We cannot buy too new too advance equipment ? Else neighbours will question our intention ? Very political hor Unlike cars, I have money I buy supercars, no need to care if neighbour questioning my intention to how lian, to over take his etc ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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