Gearbox issues; and problems at VW Service Centre

[Yuan]

from the LTA website, the vehicle model is GOLF 1.2L AT TSI 5K13D5.

which year onwards did vw "upgraded" to the 7 speed dsg dry clutch?

 

thanks yuan.

 

I believe it is either 2009 or 2010.

[jima]

I believe it is either 2009 or 2010.

could you share the resource where we can find the different specifications for the different models / years?

wanna keep it for my own reference.   

[Baal]

Dsg7 dry has torque limit of 250nm. So if the model has more than 250nm, should not b on dsg7 dry.

[Yuan]

could you share the resource where we can find the different specifications for the different models / years?

wanna keep it for my own reference.   

 

I do not have the full specifications or information. Apologies.

[Matoonia]

Hi there....

 

For an 8 year old car with a rather aggressive driver, the issues will always be there.

 

Cat Convertor, Fuel Pump, Turbo parts... coolant parts... about 5K spent in the past year or so.

That also includes 2 rear door locks...

 

oddly enough, as my "new" Gearbox reaches 90k, and with a ATF servicing almost 60k ago, it is actually going very well.... just a little hard shifting from 2-3/3-2. Nothing like what I experiened 4 years ago.

 

But now, with the new parts... and even though I never "dynoed" it, the car accelerates even harder than I can remember, so if you see a Black B6 Passat doing crazy stuff on the road... it's just me... enjoying a newfound youthfulness.

 

 

More importantly, as I have not been going back to VW Service Center (I go to VAG East instead) I no longer have to wait for an appointment, or parts, or diagnostics. 2 weeks back, I drove there in the afternoon with a misfiring engine, and by evening, 4 new fuel pumps and a door lock fixed, I drove home.

 

I intend to keep the car beyond 10 years if the COE is low in 2 years time.

 

Bro u power la. I have same car as you, and also same issues, mainly the fuel and water pumps and relays. Engine and GB mounts changed too. I've also recon the GB once, and the same 3-2 juddering when cold. I make sure to change ATF every year now and no problems since. Only niggling problem is a fault code Catalyst System Efficiency below Threshold. It's not affecting daily driving

 

Having said that, Don't think i will renew the COE. The new Passat is a better drive

 

[jima]

I do not have the full specifications or information. Apologies.

 

thanks yuan. appreciate your advise.

 

wanted to get a golf because i cant find a similar car at the same price point.

the reliable honda fit/jazz depreciation is about $100 more per month.

making it a not-so-wise choice (logically)....

 

@Baal, how can i check out if the 2010 1.2A TSI model has more than 250nm?

[Yuan]

thanks yuan. appreciate your advise.

 

wanted to get a golf because i cant find a similar car at the same price point.

the reliable honda fit/jazz depreciation is about $100 more per month.

making it a not-so-wise choice (logically)....

 

@Baal, how can i check out if the 2010 1.2A TSI model has more than 250nm?

 

It is equipped with 7 speed DSG gearbox which has a torque limitation of 250 Nm.

[Baal]

thanks yuan. appreciate your advise.

 

wanted to get a golf because i cant find a similar car at the same price point.

the reliable honda fit/jazz depreciation is about $100 more per month.

making it a not-so-wise choice (logically)....

 

@Baal, how can i check out if the 2010 1.2A TSI model has more than 250nm?

Golf 1.2 tsi should be having 175nm of torque. The 2010 model should b the same.

[Yuan]

I mean my car then no piston crack.. But I read about it for cars with only 60,000km mileage so to me is a time bomb so I sold it off.

 

60,000 km is not high in my opinion.

 

My car is 4 and a half years and I have clocked more than 120,000 km. Still, not high enough for me as my Jap ride was very much higher if I compared the same interval of ownership.

[Keithchue]

3.5 yers, 97K KM, considered high mileage..

 

but hor well taken care of leh

[Kiario]

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Edited May 17, 2016 by Kiario

[Enye]

Dsg7 dry has torque limit of 250nm. So if the model has more than 250nm, should not b on dsg7 dry.

 

so what is the torque limit for DQ250?

 

[Baal]

so what is the torque limit for DQ250?

 

 

During initial launch of mk5 gti, 350nm. Now i believe its upgraded to 400nm. Accd to wiki.

[No_worries]

There was a review done by sgcarmart in 2010 on the 1.2 golf.

 

For your info, if it is registered in 2010, it would be the mark 6, the current one which VW is selling brand new is the mark 7.

 

And yes, it comes with the dry clutch and I would budget 4-5k as repair costs for it. You can use it as a bargaining chip for slashing the price with the dealer.

 

Myself driving a Jetta with the dry clutch. And yes, being bone dry, the car shudders a little at low speeds but it doesn't bother me as it gives you the 'manual gear' feel. Some bros here will definitely disagree with me vehemently.

 

 

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=221

 

hi folks! first time car buyer here!

 

i am shopping for a used golf 1.2A, registered in 2010, but i can't seem to find much resources online about the specifications.

does the golf 1.2A in 2010 comes equipped with the 'famed' 7 speed DSG dry clutch or the more reliable 6 speed DSG wet clutch?

 

TIA.

 

[Presea]

Bro u power la. I have same car as you, and also same issues, mainly the fuel and water pumps and relays. Engine and GB mounts changed too. I've also recon the GB once, and the same 3-2 juddering when cold. I make sure to change ATF every year now and no problems since. Only niggling problem is a fault code Catalyst System Efficiency below Threshold. It's not affecting daily driving

 

Having said that, Don't think i will renew the COE. The new Passat is a better drive

 

 

Yup.... the new Passat is a much better car, but for the price.... in 2008, after discounts, my Passat was only 108k.

 

Now... if we could only get the latest 2,0 Diesel (I don't care so much about Dieselgate).... then I would definitely consider a Passat Wagon....

[Fels]

60,000 km is not high in my opinion.

 

My car is 4 and a half years and I have clocked more than 120,000 km. Still, not high enough for me as my Jap ride was very much higher if I compared the same interval of ownership.

 

hey, challenge me. hahaha... come over this Thursday for dinner at that place we spoke about. haven't seen your sexy face for a long time, I missed you. LMAO

 

Forget about @Fels

 

That sick custard is drunk somewhere.  

 

Thy sobriety matches my drunkenness naught, for I prevail over thee even intoxicated.

I stand steadfast without the slightest trepidation even before rows of muskets.

Draw my blade, load my barrel as I charge through Waterloo, Normandy or Dunkirk.

All for the solidarity, all for my country, but not for the sick b**tards.

 

 

so what is the torque limit for DQ250?

 

 

That depends on what are you talking about.

Nominal torque?

Maximum dynamic torque?

 

DQ250 is a dry clutch set up with clamp load coming from diaphragm springs. They are not variable and the highest clamp load declines as the clutch disc lining wears like a preloaded spring gradually relieved of its potential energy.

The nominal torque is the safe torque which the clutch is sure of operating under as long as the wear stays within acceptable engineering limits within the engineering release requirements. Also, collaterals like the fulcrum ring, pressure plate concavity are still within specs.

The maximum dynamic torque is the torque the clutch is actually capable of transferring in its most optimised condition. This maximum dynamic torque however is not a permanent figure as there are conditions to fulfil prior to meeting it. For example: clutch lining thickness, collateral parts condition. Based on my dealings with these makers, maximum dynamic torque is usually about 10%~20% higher than the nominal torque and its performance cannot be sustained for long periods. In other words, 250Nm of nominal torque could mean that the maximum dynamic torque could be performed at 300Nm for short periods if there is no torque limiter. Of course this figure can only be verified if you have access to the VW AG accepted VDA 2 PPA (if their submission level is 2 or 3) from LuK.

 

So if VW specified that DQ250 works at 250Nm then I will not suggest exceeding that.

[Enye]

 

 

That depends on what are you talking about.

Nominal torque?

Maximum dynamic torque?

 

DQ250 is a dry clutch set up with clamp load coming from diaphragm springs. They are not variable and the highest clamp load declines as the clutch disc lining wears like a preloaded spring gradually relieved of its potential energy.

The nominal torque is the safe torque which the clutch is sure of operating under as long as the wear stays within acceptable engineering limits within the engineering release requirements. Also, collaterals like the fulcrum ring, pressure plate concavity are still within specs.

The maximum dynamic torque is the torque the clutch is actually capable of transferring in its most optimised condition. This maximum dynamic torque however is not a permanent figure as there are conditions to fulfil prior to meeting it. For example: clutch lining thickness, collateral parts condition. Based on my dealings with these makers, maximum dynamic torque is usually about 10%~20% higher than the nominal torque and its performance cannot be sustained for long periods. In other words, 250Nm of nominal torque could mean that the maximum dynamic torque could be performed at 300Nm for short periods if there is no torque limiter. Of course this figure can only be verified if you have access to the VW AG accepted VDA 2 PPA (if their submission level is 2 or 3) from LuK.

 

So if VW specified that DQ250 works at 250Nm then I will not suggest exceeding that.

 

you are referring to DQ200 right?

 

[Yuan]

hey, challenge me. hahaha... come over this Thursday for dinner at that place we spoke about. haven't seen your sexy face for a long time, I missed you. LMAO

 

 

Thy sobriety matches my drunkenness naught, for I prevail over thee even intoxicated.

I stand steadfast without the slightest trepidation even before rows of muskets.

Draw my blade, load my barrel as I charge through Waterloo, Normandy or Dunkirk.

All for the solidarity, all for my country, but not for the sick b**tards.

 

 

 

That depends on what are you talking about.

Nominal torque?

Maximum dynamic torque?

 

DQ250 is a dry clutch set up with clamp load coming from diaphragm springs. They are not variable and the highest clamp load declines as the clutch disc lining wears like a preloaded spring gradually relieved of its potential energy.

The nominal torque is the safe torque which the clutch is sure of operating under as long as the wear stays within acceptable engineering limits within the engineering release requirements. Also, collaterals like the fulcrum ring, pressure plate concavity are still within specs.

The maximum dynamic torque is the torque the clutch is actually capable of transferring in its most optimised condition. This maximum dynamic torque however is not a permanent figure as there are conditions to fulfil prior to meeting it. For example: clutch lining thickness, collateral parts condition. Based on my dealings with these makers, maximum dynamic torque is usually about 10%~20% higher than the nominal torque and its performance cannot be sustained for long periods. In other words, 250Nm of nominal torque could mean that the maximum dynamic torque could be performed at 300Nm for short periods if there is no torque limiter. Of course this figure can only be verified if you have access to the VW AG accepted VDA 2 PPA (if their submission level is 2 or 3) from LuK.

 

So if VW specified that DQ250 works at 250Nm then I will not suggest exceeding that.

 

You don't CB.  

 

Dey, your description is DQ200.