Just a thought

[Rubberpad]

charities can only help so much...

 

what you need is a change in policies

[Rubberpad]

may well be one of those corporate social thingies......and MCF /sgcarmart represent as an entity.

 

i suggest MCF adopts a charity

and i will be glad to help

Edited April 28, 2012 by Rubberpad

[RadX]

i suggest MCF adopts a charity

and i will be glad to help

 

oni if we adopt those houses that house unwed girls, u can donate your condoms

[Rubberpad]

oni if we adopt those houses that house unwed girls, u can donate your condoms

 

actually it wont cost the owners anytime

 

time and money will come forummers

 

 

[Heartlander]

What if I put in time and effort to help those in need...then I reflect on why those in need need help..I realise it is because government did not do more .. and then I realise I can help a few people for a few hours but so what, if the top management got mandate then no worry... and the worst part is..

 

The people I talk about is not the very poor.. but the lower middle class..

 

I can't do much but no choice so jusz raise concerns online.. about how this country has become a company..

 

Maybe heartlander can help me untie knot in my heart..

For start, what make you think the lower middle class need your help? By upgrading their skill levels and qualifications, which can tap government funds, they will be helping themselves to attain better life. This will be much better than handouts isnt it?

 

As i have said, there are things that is out of our control or takes too long to achieve even if possible. But there are also things that we can do now if we are sincere about what we said. All the talks that we make online is cheap and not going to help anyone, but action, however limited, will have immediate effects on those around us.

[Rubberpad]

oni if we adopt those houses that house unwed girls, u can donate your condoms

 

ok ok, i wont talk about this topic.

and i promise i will behave

 

give me back my original posting rights.

 

 

but in all seriousness, i think it is really a good move for mcf to adopt a charity like childrens cancer foundation.

like i said, all money and time will be from forummers.

 

in my previous car clubs, we use to take orphans out for movies and hikes.

very meaningful

[Raymondism]

this thread deserves better discussion,

 

TS, you should facilitate this

 

 

and clones or new facelifted trolls... pls stay away... else this original troll will come after u... i promise

[Rubberpad]

and clones or new facelifted trolls... pls stay away... else this original troll will come after u... i promise

 

ok ok...i am going to expo now

[Maroon5]

diff pple hv diff morals n civic mindedness. some r steadfast in their beliefs while others are easily swayed. the sad truth is the culture here is alr moulded the wrong way. a good movement like tis wil surely work elsewhere, in my view.

 

anyw TS even if u cant influence others, dun sway ur own beliefs. can only say its a blessing to be able to give help.

[Raymondism]

I have been reading the forum with great interest as it seems there are many many caring people still living on this planet.

 

They have very strong views when it come to topics like spiralling housing cost, car prices, generally anything and eveything that cost money here.

 

BUT, to me all these are cheap talk and mostly to serve some ulterior motives from what we can feel here.

 

Why not we channel all this energy to doing something good that you can do now instead of waiting for the govetnment to step in to lead, which many will be quick to term as hypocisy. There might be things that are out of our control but there are also certain things that we can do within our means to improve the life here. Simple things like giving free tuition to helping out in old folks home or orphanages to donating cash and kind generously, etc. It should not be too difficult to do since most of people here seems to earn alot or are very free to be able to surf tbe forum the whole day. This is givingback to society if you like.

 

And it need not be a publicise event, just need to pop into any needy organisation near your housing estate and ask how you can help. You can do it in your free time. Or our forum could adopt some needy home or have some annual charity events that can even serve to give free publicity to this forum. Everybody just give $50 only will be able to bring in a sizeable amount given the number of active members and their affluence level. I will definitely gladly make the donation if there is one.

 

If we value this place as home, this is the least we can do to make it a better place instead of just comprain, comprain, and even more comprain which make the whiners look like old grandmothers and still not leading to anything as there are many variables and take a long time to achieve even if posdible.

 

Mods, or anybody, want to start the ball rolling?

 

instead of buying new pets.. maybe help out at animal shelters?

 

[Good-Carbuyer]

I have been reading the forum with great interest as it seems there are many many caring people still living on this planet.

 

They have very strong views when it come to topics like spiralling housing cost, car prices, generally anything and eveything that cost money here.

 

BUT, to me all these are cheap talk and mostly to serve some ulterior motives from what we can feel here.

 

Why not we channel all this energy to doing something good that you can do now instead of waiting for the govetnment to step in to lead, which many will be quick to term as hypocisy. There might be things that are out of our control but there are also certain things that we can do within our means to improve the life here. Simple things like giving free tuition to helping out in old folks home or orphanages to donating cash and kind generously, etc. It should not be too difficult to do since most of people here seems to earn alot or are very free to be able to surf tbe forum the whole day. This is givingback to society if you like.

 

And it need not be a publicise event, just need to pop into any needy organisation near your housing estate and ask how you can help. You can do it in your free time. Or our forum could adopt some needy home or have some annual charity events that can even serve to give free publicity to this forum. Everybody just give $50 only will be able to bring in a sizeable amount given the number of active members and their affluence level. I will definitely gladly make the donation if there is one.

 

If we value this place as home, this is the least we can do to make it a better place instead of just comprain, comprain, and even more comprain which make the whiners look like old grandmothers and still not leading to anything as there are many variables and take a long time to achieve even if posdible.

 

Mods, or anybody, want to start the ball rolling?

You may be aware that the ruling party already put up many stops against anyone trying to do so. Example: amphibious duck tour allowed only some 30 years after I first proposed such transport vehicles to the then ROV.

Edited April 28, 2012 by Good-Carbuyer

[Cheepo]

I have been reading the forum with great interest as it seems there are many many caring people still living on this planet.

 

They have very strong views when it come to topics like spiralling housing cost, car prices, generally anything and eveything that cost money here.

 

BUT, to me all these are cheap talk and mostly to serve some ulterior motives from what we can feel here.

 

Why not we channel all this energy to doing something good that you can do now instead of waiting for the govetnment to step in to lead, which many will be quick to term as hypocisy. There might be things that are out of our control but there are also certain things that we can do within our means to improve the life here. Simple things like giving free tuition to helping out in old folks home or orphanages to donating cash and kind generously, etc. It should not be too difficult to do since most of people here seems to earn alot or are very free to be able to surf tbe forum the whole day. This is givingback to society if you like.

 

And it need not be a publicise event, just need to pop into any needy organisation near your housing estate and ask how you can help. You can do it in your free time. Or our forum could adopt some needy home or have some annual charity events that can even serve to give free publicity to this forum. Everybody just give $50 only will be able to bring in a sizeable amount given the number of active members and their affluence level. I will definitely gladly make the donation if there is one.

 

If we value this place as home, this is the least we can do to make it a better place instead of just comprain, comprain, and even more comprain which make the whiners look like old grandmothers and still not leading to anything as there are many variables and take a long time to achieve even if posdible.

 

Mods, or anybody, want to start the ball rolling?

 

 

Heartlander,

 

I support by pledging $100 for a start.

 

You are a good chap!

 

 

 

[Vid]

A good post from Omom:

 

Singapore is facing a catch-22 situation. Our natives are not producing enough off-spring to replenish the local population. To compensate for this, present-day policies have been tuned to allow the replenishment to take place through naturalisation of foreigners who are interested in making Singapore their home.

 

These foreigners come from competitive environments and/or have competitive mind-sets. As a result they demonstrate a competitive streak which makes the natives uncomfortable and unhappy. Much of the unhappiness arises from the competition in the following:

 

i. housing

ii. jobs

iii. amenities

iv. transportation

 

The stiff competition in the above areas has led to higher housing prices, a perceived preference by companies for foreigners over natives, higher cost of commodities and daily-living as well as lower-quality commuting experience. The cumulative effect of all these is a vicious cycle in which young Singaporean couples are unable to or are reluctant to start families:

 

i. they work long hours to appear competitive

ii. the long hours exert a toll on their health and energy levels

iii. there is an underlying fear that their offspring may not be able to live well in the present-day environment

 

Should this vicious cycle be allowed to perpetuate, the end-result is on the wall - the number of children born of native Singaporeans will diminish rapidly and the need for the replenishment of the population through naturalisation of foreign imports will increase just as rapidly, causing even more unhappiness overall.

 

As with all vicious cycles, the resolution is to break it somewhere along the chain. Amidst the angst, frustration and anger that have been vocalised by the young via social media, it would be idealistic to assume that the break in the vicious cycle can come from the natives. The only other entity in the equation who can take on the part of breaking the vicious cycle would be the government.

 

Frankly, I personally believe the government is trying to break that cycle, albeit not very successfully. Through the close shave in the last General Elections, they have felt first-hand the repercussions of an unhappy populace. Had it not been the "cleverly" designed GRC system, they would have probably lost their majority seating in parliament. If things remain as they are, the situation would likely become even less favourable for them in the next GE.

 

Recent measures such as the tweaking the hospitalisation subsidies (so that citizens have greater advantage over PRs in this area) by MOH as well as the school balloting and priority mechanisms by MOE are testament to their current inclination and desire to make changes. Sadly, while I think these target areas close to the hearts of Singaporeans, they do not have much impact in breaking the vicious cycle where improving the TFR is concerned.

 

The recent trend of Xenophobia is not something that I am personally for - much as I think the huge influx of foreigners has played a large part in the increase of perceived unhappiness in the population, drastically reducing the numbers too rapidly will have a negative effect on the economy in general. It is akin to trying to remove a bullet lodged in one's flesh. It is important to extract it but if it is done incorrectly, it will rip open the flesh and cause more problems.

 

Instead of ad-hoc and knee-jerk reactions in the form of sudden policy changes and reversals, it may be more viable to take a holistic approach in tackling the vicious cycle.

 

What would constitute a holistic approach in this case?

 

If I were the government, these would be the steps that I would take:

 

a. apologise for the unhappiness to placate and calm down the population - however, do not just apologise in general, it is important to explain why the apology is being made. Identify the mistakes that have been made, spell out the details, chart out the steps that will be taken to resolve these mistakes, draw on the board the projected timeline for the resolutions to be made.

 

b. come down from the ivory tower. Engage the population not just in name but in action. Extending on point a above:

 

i. get active feedback from the population and not just through the grassroots (which has become a misnomer after all these years)

ii. conduct polls with objectives, results and follow-up actions that are announced

iii. tell people openly that their feedback, no matter how negative, as long as it is based on fact, will not subject them to reprisal

iv. interview people from various walks of life to get their real views

v. pool together volunteer experts in various areas who are willing to put in time, energy and resources to come up with the blueprint for Revamping Singapore.

 

c. cut down on the "wayang" and work hard on what matters. Reduce the frequency of superficial events that do not have much bearing on real pressing issues. Ministers who have to function as MPs for their own constituencies are also human beings and their time and energy each day is finite. Take them out of such events and let them focus on what truly matters - solving the problems that people are facing.

 

d. increase the emphasis on moral values, ethics and spirituality, especially for the young. Do not just focus on the academics. Without these as the foundation, any edifice, no matter how impressive looking it may be, will eventually crumble and fall. It is especially important that these are re-focused on for our young since they will grow up to become the next generation of leaders and people of Singapore.

 

e. Trying to develop graciousness in the population without having the corresponding development of Compassion is just putting the cart before the horse. Also, Compassion is not something that can be taught; it can only be inculcated through sharing. When Compassion sets in, graciousness automatically follows. It is an important pillar of any society, past, present or future.

 

I am neither a politician nor am I an elite. However, I do know that Singapore is going through the biggest set of challenges since Independence in 1965. Born and bred in Singapore, I wish for the country to continue to grow and thrive, and at the same time, help her people grow and thrive - not just materially and physically but also emotionally and spiritually.

 

And these are my two cents worth of observations and suggestions.

 

QUOTE (Rubberpad @ Apr 27 2012, 10:12 AM)

My name is Rubber. And this is my plea to you. Love your country.

 

I am a Singaporean male. I was neither blessed with a silver spoon nor cursed with a empty life at birth. My parents came from humbler beginning and have taught me everything good parents should impart to their children.

I went on to school, made friends, fell in love, fell out love and eventually got married. My parents grew old as time went by and i soon will become a parent myself.

 

Here i am now, reading in utter dismay and with a tinge of disgust on how my fellow singaporeans feel such strong distaste for the government. And so I questioned myself. I sat my wife down and asked "Are you happy living here?" I pleaded for her honesty. She drew close to me and with an impish smile, she whispered "Yes, we are Singaporeans".

 

No doubt we have problems with transportation, rising housing prices, too many FT...

But we are blessed with no wars, no riots, low unemployment, low crime rate, low taxes, low food prices etc..

 

So let me put this question to you, would you rather be born elsewhere?

 

As for me, there is no other country but Singapore. And i have to thank the PAP who has steered Singapore to where she is now.

 

Please spread this to your friends

 

This looks better

[CKP]

I have been reading the forum with great interest as it seems there are many many caring people still living on this planet.

 

They have very strong views when it come to topics like spiralling housing cost, car prices, generally anything and eveything that cost money here.

 

BUT, to me all these are cheap talk and mostly to serve some ulterior motives from what we can feel here.

 

People are generally smarter than you give credit for, and are capable of discriminating threads and posters that involve:

 

1. People offering their opinions, for example, on the topic of the day

Edited April 28, 2012 by CKP

[Ngck]

man is inherently selfish

[Raymondism]

man is inherently selfish

 

 

hence... men shld make it a point to try tobe unselfish

[Heartlander]

Personally I am not happy that my other thread has been locked up hastily. Reason being that I am only collecting response for donations and not actually collecting the donations. I am not sure what laws and regulations have been violated along the way.

 

I was hoping that it will spur the mods here to do something if the response is encourging. And of course bury the idea if it is negative.

 

Ok nevermind lah.

[RadX]

Personally I am not happy that my other thread has been locked up hastily. Reason being that I am only collecting response for donations and not actually collecting the donations. I am not sure what laws and regulations have been violated along the way.

 

I was hoping that it will spur the mods here to do something if the response is encourging. And of course bury the idea if it is negative.

 

Ok nevermind lah.

 

Sorry bro, but again, what do you intend to achieve here? I mentioned that not any organisation can collect donations. For what cause, etc? MCYS has strict guidelines on this, lest they be abused. We are protecting the rights of MCF here, and I have asked admin to take a look.

Thank you