Electric cars

[Beanoyip]

On 4/27/2026 at 1:40 PM, RadX said:

That said my car coming to 3 yrs and SOH is still right up therr

That's SoC, not SoH.. can you use OBD to check?

[RadX]

On 4/28/2026 at 7:20 AM, Beanoyip said:

That's SoC, not SoH.. can you use OBD to check?

Ok

 

i stand corrected. However by extrapolation seems still within the range

 

to check soh needs 1 full day 

[Beanoyip]

On 4/28/2026 at 9:23 AM, RadX said:

Ok

 

i stand corrected. However by extrapolation seems still within the range

 

to check soh needs 1 full day 

Anyway SoH don't apply to you, you change car like change underwear.. 

[SGCM928]

On 4/27/2026 at 12:36 PM, Volvobrick said:

Wow - European car markers are going to be in big trouble looking at this chart!

Many traditional car makers are at stake.

‘We will not survive’: Toyota, Honda and Ford CEOs issue chilling warning about China — and it could hit your portfolio (https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/not-survive-toyota-honda-ford-130000088.html)

 

On 4/27/2026 at 1:31 PM, Heartlander said:

Actually the real fight has just begun. If Toyota could produce more of such rides as BZ4X, the chinese EV makers would be really worrying. I do not think those who bought Chinese EVs would really do it if they have a viable  and comparable choice, but more of getting what they can lay hands on. If Toyota can provide EVs at BYD prices, I am very sure these people will switch allegiance soon as it takes many years to build up the brands. Anyway no point talking so much, we do not know what lies ahead with all the technology breakthrough happening. Like who can imagine the chinese EV makers becoming the market leaders over here now. 

Disclaimer: Not targeting you but just a healthy discussion.

Toyota only have themselves to blame for the current state as they have been dragging their feet with EVs. Their hybrid has been doing well (functional and reliable) and they have been leveraging on that advantage for a long time until Chinese makers started to develop and sell functional plug-in hybrid about 2 years ago. If you have been following the correct automotive news, you can easily see that beside BEV, there is also a sizeable number of Chinese PHEV landing in overseas market, and this was a wake up call for Toyota.

So the quick fix for Toyota is to form JVs with the Chinese, cutting R&D cost and development time, in the attempt to counter the assault from the Chinese. But Toyota probably did not realized that what facing them in not an incipient fire, but a wild fire which has the potential to wipe out the whole forest. The ongoing US-Iran conflict has just proven that point.

On the part about Toyota providing EVs at BYD price, this is akin to selling Rolls Royce at BMW price, mission impossible. Many people and the USA has been blaming the Chinese government for heavily subsidizing Chinese car makers, the bigger picture is (taken from the article above):

China’s cheap labor costs, lack of red tape, well-harmonized supply chain, tax rebates and more have also helped to create an unmatchable, cost-competitive edge that other industry players are understandably spooked about.

While I have strong faith with Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc. to survive the current "crisis", the automotive landscape would not longer be the same by the next decade.

 

On 4/27/2026 at 1:58 PM, therock said:

You need more models covering a wider price range though ..

one single model in car b won’t cut it 

maybe get a CHR plus and bring in a cat a not the suzuki rebadged

people still like the brand and the reliability moniker but the spending range is around the 160-170 range coe category is secondary 

Sadly, CDM (Chinese domestic model) are unlikely to be marketed overseas, so the the lower cost Toyota with better features (from JVs) will not make it here anytime soon.

Fighting a war with platoon size of soldiers against your battalion of enemies, no prize for guessing the outcome.

[therock]

The upside I’ll say is that the reps in the traditional dealers are more attentive and more willing to secure the COE for their customers 

so if you want a Toyota EV I think they will be quite keen to put it on the road 

no more ai mai attitude 👍 

[Volvobrick]

On 4/28/2026 at 10:01 AM, SGCM928 said:

Many traditional car makers are at stake.

‘We will not survive’: Toyota, Honda and Ford CEOs issue chilling warning about China — and it could hit your portfolio (https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/not-survive-toyota-honda-ford-130000088.html)

 

Disclaimer: Not targeting you but just a healthy discussion.

Toyota only have themselves to blame for the current state as they have been dragging their feet with EVs. Their hybrid has been doing well (functional and reliable) and they have been leveraging on that advantage for a long time until Chinese makers started to develop and sell functional plug-in hybrid about 2 years ago. If you have been following the correct automotive news, you can easily see that beside BEV, there is also a sizeable number of Chinese PHEV landing in overseas market, and this was a wake up call for Toyota.

So the quick fix for Toyota is to form JVs with the Chinese, cutting R&D cost and development time, in the attempt to counter the assault from the Chinese. But Toyota probably did not realized that what facing them in not an incipient fire, but a wild fire which has the potential to wipe out the whole forest. The ongoing US-Iran conflict has just proven that point.

On the part about Toyota providing EVs at BYD price, this is akin to selling Rolls Royce at BMW price, mission impossible. Many people and the USA has been blaming the Chinese government for heavily subsidizing Chinese car makers, the bigger picture is (taken from the article above):

China’s cheap labor costs, lack of red tape, well-harmonized supply chain, tax rebates and more have also helped to create an unmatchable, cost-competitive edge that other industry players are understandably spooked about.

While I have strong faith with Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc. to survive the current "crisis", the automotive landscape would not longer be the same by the next decade.

 

Sadly, CDM (Chinese domestic model) are unlikely to be marketed overseas, so the the lower cost Toyota with better features (from JVs) will not make it here anytime soon.

Fighting a war with platoon size of soldiers against your battalion of enemies, no prize for guessing the outcome.

With the JPY depreciation, the difference is not so bad, vs Western salaries. 

Typical Annual
Japan
~USD 25k – 35k
China
~USD 10k – 18k

The European carvmakers will kena hamtam jia lak jia lak first. 

[Voodooman]

On 4/27/2026 at 11:24 AM, Tianmo said:

Btw, mind sharing what you bought? How old was it when you bought and how different do you feel it is from ICE, used vs used.

 

I bought a used EV that is 10 months old at a relatively good discount, so let’s just say I’m driving a Cat B car with depreciation that is lower than Cat A car (for example, the SL7 Dynamic).  Happy to share more over PM as i am wary of putting too much personal info on an open forum.

I would not say the EV SUV is a better drive than my ICE sports sedan since it’s not really an apples to apples comparison. But the AWD setup, fully loaded features, and instant torque make it an enjoyable and easy car for day-to-day driving around town.

Overall, it offers much better value for money than my ICE car.  

 

[simon_simon]

On 4/27/2026 at 4:21 PM, therock said:

Hot selling Toyota... a collab with Huawei 

Doubt this China-exclusive bZ7 can appear as a international export.

Like the smaller bZ5,  the bZ7 runs on BYD blade battery.

 

[Tohto]

Ride in the YU7 for a few days last year late Dec for my road trip from Shanghai. Friend YU7 is the high spec twin motor version. I was very impressed then. 

 

Look like TCY already got his China driving licence,  he is able to test drive on the public road. 

 

Edited April 28 by Tohto

[13177]

On 4/28/2026 at 8:33 PM, Tohto said:

Ride in the YU7 for a few days last year late Dec for my road trip from Shanghai. Friend YU7 is the high spec twin motor version. I was very impressed then. 

 

Look like TCY already got his China driving licence,  he is able to test drive on the public road. 

 

This YU7 interior like tesla, fully bare with no buttons de. 😅

[Volvobrick]

On 4/28/2026 at 9:41 PM, 13177 said:

This YU7 interior like tesla, fully bare with no buttons de. 😅

Thought I saw videos before - Xiaomi should be able to add and configure different buttons. 

[Tohto]

On 4/28/2026 at 9:41 PM, 13177 said:

This YU7 interior like tesla, fully bare with no buttons de. 😅

In front of on the top of dash board still have an entire row of information including speed and other information. Unless Tesla just the middle big screen.

 

The rear seat is also more comfortable than Tesla Model Y as the floor is lower or maybe the rear seat slopes down to give the thigh better support. So the leg is not sitting high up. 

 

 

Edited April 28 by Tohto

[ztsen]

216次碰撞 36车封闭高速路 生还率仅有?% 36 Cars, 216 Crashes Closed Highway ADAS Test! ?% Survival！

Tesla VS China in Worlds Biggest ADAS Test - 36 Electric Cars Compared

interesting test

 

[simon_simon]

On 4/27/2026 at 4:34 PM, citydrivingsg said:

Japanese car makers are even feeling the heat, don't talk about Euro marques LOL. Resistance is futile.

 

Very true: Resistance is futile. If a woman goes public on why she change to EV, why some guys MCF continue to persist ?

😆

ST 29 April -  What S’pore drivers fear versus the reality of going electric

Ms Ong, an insurance agent, spent six months researching before switching to a BYD Sealion 7 suv. Ms Veronica Ong, 46, used to spend $600 a month on petrol. Now, she spends $150 a month charging her EV. She drives daily to meet clients around Singapore, and clocks around 1,000km a month. She charges to full whenever her battery dips to 60%. She says it takes about 3-4 hours on a slow charger.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/the-ev-gap-what-spore-drivers-fear-vs-the-reality-of-going-electric

Before making the "leap of faith",  Ms Veronica Ong had doubts. Would charging be a hassle? How safe are EV batteries?  

 

 

[simon_simon]

On 4/28/2026 at 2:33 PM, Tohto said:

Ride in the YU7 for a few days last year late Dec for my road trip from Shanghai. Friend YU7 is the high spec twin motor version. I was very impressed then. 

 

LOL!

Who would have thought a home appliance-mobile phone maker Xiaomi could have created and sell its 1st two EV models so successfully in the dog-eat-dog world of Chinese market on Day-1 of CEO Leijun announcement ?

Was it due to great marketing move? A stroke of luck? Or simply existing customer trust on 雷军 reputation? 🥰

 

[ER-3682]

On 4/27/2026 at 12:36 PM, Volvobrick said:

Wow - European car markers are going to be in big trouble looking at this chart!

Prices lower,Designs nicer who don't like.?

[simon_simon]

On 4/28/2026 at 4:02 PM, Volvobrick said:

Thought I saw videos before - Xiaomi should be able to add and configure different buttons. 

Yes - Xiaomi is exploiting its SU7/YU7 EV as mobile platform to sell its wide range of smart accessories from  IoT buttons to magnetic charging ports. And some of those gadgets can be used without you owning its EV.

Kinda like expanding Xiaomi's eco system be in at home, office or in your car.

😉

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[Voodooman]

On 4/29/2026 at 2:49 PM, simon_simon said:

Yes - Xiaomi is exploiting its SU7/YU7 EV as mobile platform to sell its wide range of smart accessories from  IoT buttons to magnetic charging ports. And some of those gadgets can be used without you owning its EV.

Kinda like expanding Xiaomi's eco system be in at home, office or in your car.

😉

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Like the failed Apple Car? 

I previously laughed at Chinese EV/ Tesla push to make their car an extension/ integral part of the driver’s hyper-connected, digital lifestyle, ie. the innate need of Chinese consumers to feel connected 24/7 even while behind the wheels is pretty real (just look at Chinese in restaurants  in China 😂) but it looks like it is happening.  

The end of motoring and the start of Matrix 5.1? 

Will this digital first approach  force non Chinese automakers to adopt a similar “tech company” business model, or will there remain a durable market for “analog” driving experiences?