L_club23 4th Gear March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 National security will be affected if the punishment is disclosed. My guess is that the punishment is a slap on the wrist. So it is true that it is a matter of national security. When people know how light the "punishment" was, they will be pissed off with mindef. Someone here (I think Lala81) said that the family would most likely have been told what the punishment is. Latest update from the family is that they haven't heard anything despite asking mindef several times. They are also asking about the rumours of the involved personnel being promoted... The silence on this is deafening... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltplussport Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 They are also asking about the rumours of the involved personnel being promoted... The silence on this is deafening...You all think is some white horse? The name doesn't sound like one, although one of them could be related to our neighbor's PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuPerBoRed Twincharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 Report quoted that Pte Dom partook in similar type of exercise with 2 smoke grenades used, and he survived. sorry mate... can trouble you to link the report to this please? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 sorry mate... can trouble you to link the report to this please? No problem - it was quoted by his family actually, not from the MSM, but MINDEF did not refute their comments. https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1104116539632943&id=377738552270749&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1104116539632943%3Atl_objid.1104116539632943%3Athid.377738552270749%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1459493999%3A-6851003407620421914&__tn__=%2As It was a very long read, see some extracts here: "We had learnt anecdotally from SAF personnel, immediately after the tragic incident, that Dominique had taken part in a similar exercise before where the TSR had not been breached. This to us, suggests that the fatal allergic reaction occurred due to concentration of rather than mere exposure to zinc chloride fumes, which brings us back to the question of MINDEF’s TSR of 2 smoke grenades as being within safety limits. If the safety hazard has to do with mere exposure to zinc chloride fumes, then the regulation on the number of smoke grenades would be irrelevant as the grenades should not even be in use at all. In that regard, we would like to ask MINDEF about the new N452 smoke grenades that have be introduced since the incident. How are they an improvement to the previous smoke grenades? Has any test been done to ascertain if the concentration and/or mere exposure to the fumes would result in acute allergic reaction? Can MINDEF/SAF share the safety aspect(s) of such an assessment (if any) with the public? What are the chemical compound(s) found in these new smoke grenades?" 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 National security will be affected if the punishment is disclosed. My guess is that the punishment is a slap on the wrist. So it is true that it is a matter of national security. When people know how light the "punishment" was, they will be pissed off with mindef. Someone here (I think Lala81) said that the family would most likely have been told what the punishment is. Latest update from the family is that they haven't heard anything despite asking mindef several times. Although I am a "spectator" in this thing, I think the punishment for the 2 ocifers is not the main event. the meat of the matter is that mothers with sons to risk, may get vocal. It is not a feminist issue and they would never have this on their radar. Rather because mothers who have sons at stake will lead and hence their families will follow. I think the pap is doing what it can to nip this in the bud. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_club23 4th Gear March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 (edited) You all think is some white horse? The name doesn't sound like one, although one of them could be related to our neighbor's PM. Edited March 8, 2016 by L_club23 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 Although I am a "spectator" in this thing, I think the punishment for the 2 ocifers is not the main event. the meat of the matter is that mothers with sons to risk, may get vocal. It is not a feminist issue and they would never have this on their radar. Rather because mothers who have sons at stake will lead and hence their families will follow. I think the pap is doing what it can to nip this in the bud. Huh. Why bring up "feminist issue"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 Huh. Why bring up "feminist issue"?Ya normally those feminist more male than female n quite a few no kidsA good read! https://www.facebook.com/fong.c.teck/posts/10156635761995215 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 I bet in another few weeks time, even days, when something more interesting came out, all will be forgotten. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celicar Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 National security will be affected if the punishment is disclosed. Really? How? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 Ya normally those feminist more male than female n quite a few no kids A good read! https://www.facebook.com/fong.c.teck/posts/10156635761995215 What happened? Post kanna deleted already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 Really? How?I thought I already explained how in the same post? Once the public sees that the punishment was essentially a slap on the wrist, they'll lose confidence in our military. Once our military doesn't have the respect of the people, more nsfs will Chao geng and weaken our military. Once that happens, our neighbors will take the chance to invade us. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 I bet in another few weeks time, even days, when something more interesting came out, all will be forgotten. It will be because they control the MSM and can just black it out. They control parliament and can just silence it. Eventually. . They can place a gag on bloggers and forums too if they so desire. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 (edited) Huh. Why bring up "feminist issue"? LOL... I mean although it is a female issue, i.e. mothers, it is not feminist issue, even thought they claim to represent mothers (mothers are females last I checked.) the traditional idea is that children is for YANG LAO. so to lose a kid is so called need compensation for YANG LAO. the point is traditionally mothers who do not work outside but is home maker, there is no outside source of income. after the husband die, if there is not enough savings, mothers usually have to rely on children. This is why we have alimony. if you divorce, the females need income support. the children normally follow the mother. hence the reason feminist issue of fighting for alimony, for split of assets etc. so by right suffering a lose of a kid is a loss of future comfort and income, i.e. YANG LAO. I am surprised you do not see the connection. Ya normally those feminist more male than female n quite a few no kids A good read! https://www.facebook.com/fong.c.teck/posts/10156635761995215 cannot access.. is taken down? Edited March 8, 2016 by Nolicense 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celicar Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 I thought I already explained how in the same post? Once the public sees that the punishment was essentially a slap on the wrist, they'll lose confidence in our military. Once our military doesn't have the respect of the people, more nsfs will Chao geng and weaken our military. Once that happens, our neighbors will take the chance to invade us. Thanks. Well, I suppose everyone has a unique take on what will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christan Turbocharged March 8, 2016 Share March 8, 2016 The AGC follows laws enacted by parliament. It's not their fault the law is unjust by common sense and ethical standards. They should just say it's up to the minister to start proceedings to change the law on immunity. Surely the minister knows this, why still treat people as idiots... esp the career AGC folks. The worse thing that can happen to fighting men is not just death, it is betrayal by their leaders. Saying mindef "should" waive cost implies is not his problem? Who heads mindef then. I sense no humility or sympathy at all. If anything, it's another stab to the family. The way he said it is like "we can ask or even demand you to pay this cost but out of our goodwill & kind heart, we can waive this off" I read this already TL, Pte Lim's family will be even more so. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic March 9, 2016 Share March 9, 2016 In Memory of Dominique Sarron Lee. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic March 9, 2016 Share March 9, 2016 Mr R. S. Bajwa, the lawyer acting for Capt Najib, the platoon commander who threw the smoke grenades, said his client agreed to waive the cost because "he feels the loss of Pte Lee's family". - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/family-nsf-who-died-will-get-legal-bill-slashed#sthash.PKWdOnU3.dpuf Wah.... Capt Najib is so generous! Netizens question officer's promotion The promotion of the Singapore Armed Forces officer found guilty of negligence in a training incident has sparked intense discussion online. Army regular Chia Thye Siong, was found guilty and punished in 2013 for his role as chief safety officer during the exercise in which Private Dominique Sarron Lee died after an allergic reaction to fumes from smoke grenades used. Yet a year later, the then captain, was promoted to major. The move drew fire from the public, who asked about the punishment meted out, with some wondering why he got off lightly and was even promoted. Pte Lee's family questioned Maj Chia's promotion on Facebook yesterday, saying: "This seems to be a contradiction of the assurances by Mindef and the SAF that the negligent officers have been duly dealt with, that justice has been done." When contacted, Mindef did not elaborate further on the promotion. - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/family-nsf-who-died-will-get-legal-bill-slashed#sthash.PKWdOnU3.dpuf No elaboration because no good ans? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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