A licence needed just to cycle?

[inlinesix]

Actually I am agreeable to you on most points, but not fully on last time. A cyclist have the right of the road, by law, so you cannot force him to use the pavement, which is illegal, with exception of maybe kids cycling slowly.

 

But in the end, its also give & take. If cyclist need to use the road, & the traffic is light, by all means, or its the only way to get to his destination. However, as a cyclist, unless necessary, I will avoid travel on a busy road & cause a major jam, or slow down.

 

There must be an understanding for all road users, what is legally allow and right, vs, consideration & common sense. I will be angry when I was driving on a busy city road, to work, & a cyclist see fit to cycle at rush hours, to hold up traffic. By the same logic, I will be angry if I am cycling on the countryside, & got horn by a driver, because he can't wait 10 sec for the next chance to overtake me.

 

At the same time that we implement rules, we must also exercise common sense and be reasonable as well. We can discuss all day about what happen in a abnormal situation, where you have to go a bit out of regulation, but if situation is reasonable, I think most people, including our TP, can accept. I have have at times have my car over pavement to make a turn for instance, get in wrong direction in car park, especially when you are unfamiliar with carpark also. But when the carpark is empty, does it matter. Important thing is look out for people.

If there is 1 or 2 cyclist on the road, how does it hold up traffic?

 

In fact, road hoggers on CTE could be worst than cyclist holding up traffic unnecessarily,

[Porker]

If there is 1 or 2 cyclist on the road, how does it hold up traffic?

 

In fact, road hoggers on CTE could be worst than cyclist holding up traffic unnecessarily,

 

I tell you emotions always run high whenever cycling on road is the topic. LOL..

 

It's exacerbated when you have to debate with idiots who do not stick to the facts of the case.

 

Durian trees everywhere :p

[Kiadaw]

If there is 1 or 2 cyclist on the road, how does it hold up traffic?

 

In fact, road hoggers on CTE could be worst than cyclist holding up traffic unnecessarily,

It can happen on a busy road, & I have experience it myself. But do not sweat into the details.

 

My point is to be able to differentiate a Right, vs if its a good choice. The same thing, if instead of driving to the city centre to create more choke in the traffic when there is a major event, I can park further & walk towards the city centre. I have the right at the counter to ask many question, but if I see a long queue, I can maybe keep my conversation shorter so as not to hold up others time.

 

The same rule will apply to motorist. If I know a stretch of road is used often by cyclists during weekend, I can go by another road, or try to drive slower (when there is no car behind), to give cyclists more breathing space. I do not have to, but I can.

 

My point being, we should be able to live in harmony, even if it means if its not to your benefit. When we learning to also consider a little bit for other, the world can be a little less stressful, also one day, you, or someone close maybe the one on the other end of the situation.

 

In any case, back to the original point. I think the way cyclist can ride in cities, & this has been done in many major cities, is to have cycling paths in the cities, the main reason is not to hold up traffic, & safety of course. I totally support this action & hope the government consider this.

 

Cheers.

[Nzy]

If there is 1 or 2 cyclist on the road, how does it hold up traffic?

 

In fact, road hoggers on CTE could be worst than cyclist holding up traffic unnecessarily,

 

True. Especially during rush hour. Its frustrating to drive cuz I am being held up by traffic and watching all the cyclists go by. I don't see how cyclists can hold up traffic during rush hour since the cyclists are usually the ones overtaken.

 

In fact, during rush hour, I avoid busy roads as a cyclist not because I don't want to hold up traffic. It is because I don't want to be held up by traffic. Taking a detour and riding on a less busy road might get me to my destination faster in certain situations.

[AhJason]

Do u think that all cyclists who want to cycle on the roads need to pass a theory paper?

[Nzy]

Actually is the MP asking LTA to get the bicycles registered or make cyclists get a license to cycle on the roads?

Edited October 13, 2013 by Nzy

[AhJason]

Actually is the MP asking LTA to get the bicycles registered or make cyclists get a license?

 

I think it is to get cyclist registered. Doesn't make sense to me to register the bicycle itself.

[Nzy]

 

I think it is to get cyclist registered. Doesn't make sense to me to register the bicycle itself.

 

But she referred to the past where the bicycles get registered where bicycles had registration plates. Then suddenly talk about getting cyclists to go for lessons before registering. Confusing.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Nzy

[Kiadaw]

 

But she referred to the past where the bicycles get registered where bicycles had registration plates. Then suddenly talk about getting cyclists to go for lessons before registering. Confusing.

She probably didn't give much thought before she said what she said.

 

Logically, is to have cyclists that wanted to ride on the road to have a licence, or have a certificate that they have taken a theory test or something. Then any bike that will be riding on the road (not crossing), to have a plate for tractability. To register a bike, you must then have a licence or cert.

 

Others can ride your bike, on the road as long as they have a licence as well.

 

I can imagine this is how it can be done, if they wanted to implement it. Of course details have to be layout.

 

No matter it benefit if more information, both for motorists, & cyclists on riding in harmony on the roads are release, best is big billboards across the Island. That is at least the minimal we can do.

[inlinesix]

 

I tell you emotions always run high whenever cycling on road is the topic. LOL..

 

It's exacerbated when you have to debate with idiots who do not stick to the facts of the case.

 

Durian trees everywhere :p

Haven't seen this avatar for a long time.

 

Va Va Voom!!

[Kiadaw]

Haven't seen this avatar for a long time.

 

Va Va Voom!!

She is a famous actress or something?

[1fast1]

As far as i could see the marking on that PCN, it is a shared path for cyclist, jogger & etc.

 

If police agency knowledge of the law is so unreliable, could we rely on them to administer it?

 

That's a big question.

 

So, if the LAW pertaining to a purpose-built path for cyclists doesn't apply to the PCN, pray tell which place in Singapore you think it does apply to?

[Scoots]

Do u mean we can do away with TP?

 

When u starts to debate with me, it is my pleasure especially when i am stress up @ work. Thanks a lot.

1.Since when did I every claim were can do away with TP?

2. Who started 'dealing first?

3. To be debating, we'd have to be arguing on the same point... of which you NEVER dared make any, nor stayed grounded on

 

And , as any debate, the sum up is: you're just a sick guy who Thinks he's getting some kick by annoying me... or an even sicker clown who likes to show up how shallow his reasons ate for being a pro cyclist.All of which I am happy to oblige

[inlinesix]

 

That's a big question.

 

So, if the LAW pertaining to a purpose-built path for cyclists doesn't apply to the PCN, pray tell which place in Singapore you think it does apply to?

The law says EXCLUSIVE use. Is PCN build for cyclist ONLY?

 

1.Since when did I every claim were can do away with TP?

2. Who started 'dealing first?

3. To be debating, we'd have to be arguing on the same point... of which you NEVER dared make any, nor stayed grounded on

 

And , as any debate, the sum up is: you're just a sick guy who Thinks he's getting some kick by annoying me... or an even sicker clown who likes to show up how shallow his reasons ate for being a pro cyclist.All of which I am happy to oblige

I don't know which 1 of us is sicker? I don't reply at 7am in the morning.

[Datsun366]

Just seen this on the news,

Increase in number of working poor, quote '...problems with social mobility...'

 

Who are the folks with this issue of riding on the road, I couldnt believe we have got another dude riding on nicoll....wtf

This fellow come to SG earn money, so does not wish to earn less. Do stuff good for him, health and these peons, or poorest of the poor, have to make way for him. I literally can hear we are the champions playing in the background. Idea ....some capable guy make a montage video? Hah

 

1. Aim correctly. Chop the corect ppl.

My brother riding (sexy Baju et al.) I give double standard. OR

Be fair.

2. Light up the basic main range. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war....

 

Aiyoh.

[Tianake]

 

But if it is really illegal for cyclists to cycle on Changi Coastal Road just because there is a PCN beside it, then why didn't the TP/LTA mention it at all even after so many cyclists have died there? IIRC I even saw a sign erected by LTA to warn drivers that there are cyclists on that road.

 

Some the foreign workers hired by my mum's company really cannot afford public transport. If they take the bus/train to and fro, they will need about $3+ a day which is alot to them since some of them only earning $15 a day.

 

abusing foreign workers with a basic pay of $15 per day?

$ 15 x 30 day = $450

 

 

no wonder all the towkays is becoming more and more rich.

 

so is your mum the boss of that company you mention?

[Datsun366]

Anyone remember there was a video of a schoolboy riding on the road, keep to the left whilst chatting and waving to his friends?

Two lane road with Batu divider and he decided to right turn without checking while talking to friends, got thrown by black vehicle coming from behind him. He died. The driver the most Suay of the Suay. Not his fault what. Even if bike licensed and this happened without video evidence, you are the driver, who believe you?

The video was atop something, not in car, so in car also no use.

 

I try to find video, saw it somewhere in mcf.

 

abusing foreign workers with a basic pay of $15 per day?

$ 15 x 30 day = $450

 

 

no wonder all the towkays is becoming more and more rich.

 

so is your mum the boss of that company you mention?

I think creative accounting on part of person, minus costs already.

Still bicycles give limited income, I mean tight finances people mobility. Personal experience.

 

For all we know Angmo lobster and man in black (nicoll) may have committed money elsewhere, actually less spending power then lower waged earners.

[Nzy]

 

That's a big question.

 

So, if the LAW pertaining to a purpose-built path for cyclists doesn't apply to the PCN, pray tell which place in Singapore you think it does apply to?

 

 

IMO maybe they were thinking of having cycling lanes in the future. I also feel that PCN isn't considered exclusive to cyclists because there are signs along the PCN reminding users to be considerate as its a shared path.