320i engine potential

[Zyklon]

 

Engine noise ? Tyre roar? ....??. Are you sure you know what you are talkin about?
What you have described is more simply comfort not luxury. luxury is beyond simple comfort.
It extends to senses of touch, smell, sight above those things you mention.
Otherwise,the daihatsu sirion that i rented Down UnDer will be considered luxury too.

Merino leather may not have a prerequisite but luxury does hve some minimum, or some base standards. Which is whythe 320i as i mention is by no means considered luxury.
Unless you are talking in terms of some real third world country which is out of context here.

The Camry is not a bad car, in fact its a pretty good car, and so it the 320i but you obviously havent really driven or been driven in any of those contenders you mentioned. If simple comfort is all you seek, any proper well built >2l jap sedan will do the job.

I am often chaffuered in a 2.4camry or an E200 when on biz trips. Both nothing to shout about but its very clear which one i prefer and why. Yes proper leather seats is a MUST.

 

I was pointing out that using good material but with ride comfort like an old van hardly makes a luxury car. It is a combination of decent material and sufficiently cosseting ride that makes a car luxurious. Since you have a porky, I am sure you can relate to the first point I am trying to express here.

 

And it is precisely because I have been driven, drove, owned those 4 doors that I mentioned, that I came to the conclusion that the camry is still my favourite for a long trip, driven...currently on a pre lci f10.

 

Let's start with my complaints of the list...S80 (older 2.5t)->lots of road noise and engine noise, the turbo was always singing and singing and it got really really frustrating, servicing is indeed luxury car price...w212 e class->the front seats are really stiff and hard, suspension was not merc-like (stiff), and roar of the sports package tyres was like icing on the cake to make the car harsh, oh and fitment of the knobs, I don't know why all were quite loose...f10 5er->suspension noise, partly courtesy of the 19" rft, stiffness of the rear bench back is really like wrapping a piece of leather around a board, and although like the 7er it is not that noisy, the noise frequency gives me headache whenever I am at the rear...f01 7er-> suspension noise, brake noise, squeaking interior, but the rear bench has much more cushion than the 5er, actually it is like the front seat...funny thing is, they all felt decent for a daily ride when you first take a test drive.

 

Isn't those just basic issues that a proper day to day car, not to mention, a "luxury" car, should not have? Surprisingly, the camry does not have such problems for me. And while the leather in the camry is probably some low grade stuff, it actually feels quite good. In this case, doesn't it make the camry a more luxurious ride than the e-class and 5er, which was my original statement before we went OT on an engine thread?

Edited November 10, 2013 by Zyklon

[Throttle2]

 

 

I was pointing out that using good material but with ride comfort like an old van hardly makes a luxury car. It is a combination of decent material and sufficiently cosseting ride that makes a car luxurious. Since you have a porky, I am sure you can relate to the first point I am trying to express here.

 

And it is precisely because I have been driven, drove, owned those 4 doors that I mentioned, that I came to the conclusion that the camry is still my favourite for a long trip, driven...currently on a pre lci f10.

 

Let's start with my complaints of the list...S80 (older 2.5t)->lots of road noise and engine noise, the turbo was always singing and singing and it got really really frustrating, servicing is indeed luxury car price...w212 e class->the front seats are really stiff and hard, suspension was not merc-like (stiff), and roar of the sports package tyres was like icing on the cake to make the car harsh, oh and fitment of the knobs, I don't know why all were quite loose...f10 5er->suspension noise, partly courtesy of the 19" rft, stiffness of the rear bench back is really like wrapping a piece of leather around a board, and although like the 7er it is not that noisy, the noise frequency gives me headache whenever I am at the rear...f01 7er-> suspension noise, brake noise, squeaking interior, but the rear bench has much more cushion than the 5er, actually it is like the front seat...funny thing is, they all felt decent for a daily ride when you first take a test drive.

 

Isn't those just basic issues that a proper day to day car, not to mention, a "luxury" car, should not have? Surprisingly, the camry does not have such problems for me. And while the leather in the camry is probably some low grade stuff, it actually feels quite good. In this case, doesn't it make the camry a more luxurious ride than the e-class and 5er, which was my original statement before we went OT on an engine thread?

To answer you question. No.

Look , you are just still talking comfort, comfort comfort comfort vis a vis the price in your mind for those cars

All those things you hv pointed out are about ride comfort and price correlation.

Missing the notion of true luxury....

 

Moreover you talk about sports package, 19" rims , things which are meant to take comfort (but not necessarily luxury- get the drift yet?) away from car.

 

My 911 is not luxury.

Its a sports thoroughbred.

Its not meant to be luxurious but it still is more luxurious than a Camry.

 

Driver can feel it if he goes over a pea.

Passenger gets whiplashed when i go from standstill to 100km/hr within 5secs

Intestines experience G force as it glues to the road like a go cart.

Engine growl adds tempo to the sounds from the Bose sound system.

Tight firm leather seats definitely nothing close to a plush sofa.

100% raw. 60% comfort 40% luxury.

But the smell of my leather seats already made it more luxurious than a Camry

which is 100% muted, 85% comfort, 10% luxury

 

Luxury sports is a plush Bently continental GT coupe, or a Maserati GT or even the Panamera.

it isnt simply just about a quiet cabin or smooth ride becos thats COMFORT not LUXURY.

Sports can go with luxury too, in case you didnt know. Becos base on your points essentially the only criteria for luxury seems to be ride comfort.

 

Sounds like you'd better thrash your F10 for a Camry if you only care for a soft comfy ride.

Its meant to give a more spirited drive and better handling over pure comfort like "a sofa at home"

 

Or instead of selling your F10 for the Camry you could do the following:-

Change to fat tyres of the camry to drown road noise.

Next replace your F10 leather with the "luxurious" Camry leather.

Then swop the beautiful leather wrapped steering of your F10 for a "luxurious" camry's

When you are at that, replace your F10 qualityy plastics with "luxurious" Camry plastics too.

In fact replace the shocks and tranny for a damping soft "luxurious" Camry one.

And for a more luxury ride altogether just replace all the body panels of your F10 with "luxurious" soft sheet metal of the Camry and voila! A Car more luxurious than your F10.... The Camry. ;p

 

I apologise, i bad, i OT and i've said too much already.

*throttle scurries back into his small dark hellhole*

Edited November 10, 2013 by Throttle2

[Coolad]

same old story as the E90 325 vs 323 ... if its so simple to "unlock" those hidden hp... who would pay premium and buy 325...

 

As you can see... BMW is very smart to make sure these hidden hp stays hidden.... no easy way to get around it...

 

E90 323/325 in mkt for 8 years... no 1 has done it "easily"... guys tat attempted most revert back to stock... misfiring...engine studdering... jerky accelerations...

 

Just do this instead.. YAM3....

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=370779&DL=1019

 

or this rebadged from 318i to 325i

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=359332&DL=2490

[Karu]

same old story as the E90 325 vs 323 ... if its so simple to "unlock" those hidden hp... who would pay premium and buy 325...

 

As you can see... BMW is very smart to make sure these hidden hp stays hidden.... no easy way to get around it...

 

E90 323/325 in mkt for 8 years... no 1 has done it "easily"... guys tat attempted most revert back to stock... misfiring...engine studdering... jerky accelerations...

 

Just do this instead.. YAM3....

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=370779&DL=1019

 

or this rebadged from 318i to 325i

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=359332&DL=2490

 

2nd car red leather interior is damn 'power'!!

[slickshifters]

 

Yes, all the same, except for pistons. And it is not because the 328i needs strengthened piston, but because the compression ratio is reduced on the 328i to cater for the higher turbo boost (11:0 vs 10:1). I suspect this is to make sure that 328i has no problem with 95 ron.

 

Stock 320i is about 0.5 bar, stock 328i is about 1 bar.

 

Actually, there are 20i that are running the exact same engine (and pistons) as the 28i...you need the low compression option, S858A, IIRC.

 

As for how to tell if your engine is high or lower compression version, refer to:

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/bmw-singapore-motoring-life/80952-how-you-can-tell-whether-your-n20-20i-28i-engine-10-1-11-1-compression.html

 

Interesting to have someone on the same page as me.

 

Thanks for the insight.

 

Hope we all not stray off topic on whether what is luxury or comfort or whatever. Cheers.

[Poohbor]

Give you a 5 for comfort!! not luxury

[Keithchue]

guys, I saw a 5 series with a badge 545I on it. never seen something like this before, does BMW put a (I assume) 4 litre engine in a 5series?

[Renesis84]

guys, I saw a 5 series with a badge 545I on it. never seen something like this before, does BMW put a (I assume) 4 litre engine in a 5series?

 

If you are referring to the E60, then yes. 4.4L V8.

[Viceroymenthol]

 

If you are referring to the E60, then yes. 4.4L V8.

E60 also got 535i... Just that Singapore dealers didn't import it...

[Picanto]

 

Parallel importers?

E60 also got 535i... Just that Singapore dealers didn't import it...

[Inlinefour]

E60 also got 535i... Just that Singapore dealers didn't import it...

I heard that SG got PI version of E60 535i...