Cyclist dies in accident with lorry at Payar Lebar Rd

[Rootkie]

Another useless anti-cyclist thread condoned by the mods.

 

All this cyclist hatred is a waste of breath. The roads are jammed by cars! You go out for a drive, and you will find idiots in other cars getting in your way and doing dumb things. The number of accidents between cars happens daily multiple times. We see car drivers breaking the law almost routinely and yet mention the word 'cyclist' and get this vicious diatribe. Pathetic.

 

I assume u are cyclist with bad experience on the road thus this outburst?

 

There's plenty of threads bashing bad drivers, cab drivers, lady drivers.. So no one is specially targeting cyclists.

 

The reason you see more threads on cyclists nowadays is because the number of cyclists on the road has risen these few years. And so does the number of kuk* cyclists. They are the easiest to get hurt so most motorists find them annoying. And I assume not all cyclists are drivers so they don't take basic theory or understand the mindset of drivers. Some cyclists really think they are king of the road (no offense), slightest of honk to alert them we are coming through provokes them into rage mode.

[Taipan49]

 

I assume u are cyclist with bad experience on the road thus this outburst?

 

There's plenty of threads bashing bad drivers, cab drivers, lady drivers.. So no one is specially targeting cyclists.

 

The reason you see more threads on cyclists nowadays is because the number of cyclists on the road has risen these few years. And so does the number of kuk* cyclists. They are the easiest to get hurt so most motorists find them annoying. And I assume not all cyclists are drivers so they don't take basic theory or understand the mindset of drivers. Some cyclists really think they are king of the road (no offense), slightest of honk to alert them we are coming through provokes them into rage mode.

 

I am a cyclist, and an active one at that. I regularly ride 300km a week and mainly for commuting. And I am also a car fanatic hence reading here.

 

As for bad experiences on the bike, none as I follow the rules, ride defensively, choose my routes well, and don't have an ego. I have more issues driving as there seem to be too many jerks on the road so I tend to stay out of lane 1 on the expressways and let people have their way as most drivers seem to be all wound up.

 

What I don't like is how these cyclist threads tend to get very vicious. I really don't understand the animosity.

 

Cycling is growing world-wide, it isn't a Singapore 'problem'. People are becoming more conscious of the health benefits and the ridiculous costs of having a car. Yes there are idiot cyclists, but there are just as many idiot drivers. But I don't see the same animosity and viciousness towards these drivers as compared to cyclists.

[1fast1]

Another useless anti-cyclist thread condoned by the mods.

 

All this cyclist hatred is a waste of breath. The roads are jammed by cars! You go out for a drive, and you will find idiots in other cars getting in your way and doing dumb things. The number of accidents between cars happens daily multiple times. We see car drivers breaking the law almost routinely and yet mention the word 'cyclist' and get this vicious diatribe. Pathetic.

I am a cyclist, and an active one at that. I regularly ride 300km a week and mainly for commuting. And I am also a car fanatic hence reading here.

 

As for bad experiences on the bike, none as I follow the rules, ride defensively, choose my routes well, and don't have an ego. I have more issues driving as there seem to be too many jerks on the road so I tend to stay out of lane 1 on the expressways and let people have their way as most drivers seem to be all wound up.

 

What I don't like is how these cyclist threads tend to get very vicious. I really don't understand the animosity.

 

Cycling is growing world-wide, it isn't a Singapore 'problem'. People are becoming more conscious of the health benefits and the ridiculous costs of having a car. Yes there are idiot cyclists, but there are just as many idiot drivers. But I don't see the same animosity and viciousness towards these drivers as compared to cyclists.

 

You claim to be both an avid cyclist and a car fanatic. Fair enough. I guess you're at least as active on the Sg biker's forums as you are here?

 

Since you yourself acknowledge that there are 'idiot cyclists' here, do you also make posts or threads telling other cyclists off for their behaviour, and urging them to act more graciously toward other road users?

 

Would appreciate a link or two to your posts/threads there, just to see what sort of great advice you've been giving your two-wheeled foot-powered brethren. Don't worry if free registration is required, I'm sure I (and many others) are prepared to go through that small hassle to see what goes on in those forums.

 

Of course, if you've been restricting your helpful advice to merely the car forum(s) that you frequent, I would be sorely disappointed. That would be a little one-sided. I'm sure you're nothing like that, so I wait with bated breath for a link or two. Please oblige.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Beregond]

I think is really too much..LTA or TP have to step in to enforce safe cycling ..

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203503072556357

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203502983954142

but there are a lot of ppl out there who feel their behavior is ok, just BECAUSE THEY ARE GREEN, THEY CAN DO ANY FUK THEY WANT ON THE ROAD .

[Taipan49]

 

 

 

You claim to be both an avid cyclist and a car fanatic. Fair enough. I guess you're at least as active on the Sg biker's forums as you are here?

 

Since you yourself acknowledge that there are 'idiot cyclists' here, do you also make posts or threads telling other cyclists off for their behaviour, and urging them to act more graciously toward other road users?

 

Would appreciate a link or two to your posts/threads there, just to see what sort of great advice you've been giving your two-wheeled foot-powered brethren. Don't worry if free registration is required, I'm sure I (and many others) are prepared to go through that small hassle to see what goes on in those forums.

 

Of course, if you've been restricting your helpful advice to merely the car forum(s) that you frequent, I would be sorely disappointed. That would be a little one-sided. I'm sure you're nothing like that, so I wait with bated breath for a link or two. Please oblige.

 

Yes i do, but not going to link to direct threads on facebook here (this forum is anonymous, Facebook is not). But have a look at the Facebook group Love Cycling Singapore if you care to see what other cyclists think of bad cyclist behaviour, and I participate there.

 

But also I do take friends out for rides to show them how to ride on the roads and be safe. Also conducting similar at work (been asked by management to do so). That I can't link to.

[1fast1]

Yes i do, but not going to link to direct threads on facebook here (this forum is anonymous, Facebook is not). But have a look at the Facebook group Love Cycling Singapore if you care to see what other cyclists think of bad cyclist behaviour, and I participate there.

 

But also I do take friends out for rides to show them how to ride on the roads and be safe. Also conducting similar at work (been asked by management to do so). That I can't link to.

Do you have a link to the FB page at least?

 

The only one I can find with an active discussion is the SG Cylists FB: https://www.facebook.com/SGCyclists

 

Is that the one you're referring to?

[Nzy]

Do you have a link to the FB page at least?

 

The only one I can find with an active discussion is the SG Cylists FB: https://www.facebook.com/SGCyclists

 

Is that the one you're referring to?

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/lovecyclingsg/

 

I think he is referring to this group.

[1fast1]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/lovecyclingsg/

 

I think he is referring to this group.

Thanks!

[1fast1]

Yes i do, but not going to link to direct threads on facebook here (this forum is anonymous, Facebook is not). But have a look at the Facebook group Love Cycling Singapore if you care to see what other cyclists think of bad cyclist behaviour, and I participate there.

 

But also I do take friends out for rides to show them how to ride on the roads and be safe. Also conducting similar at work (been asked by management to do so). That I can't link to.

OK, I can't search for every single thing on that FB page. But here's a recent post I spotted just by scrolling a little:

 

Ferng Chao Hsien

I am contemplating cycling to work but will need help from the community on planning a route from Tampines Avenue 9 to SAFRA Mount Faber. Are the PCNs between the two locations connected well enough that I can make use of them? I am riding a foldie and will want to ride on pavement than on road. TIA

(Emphasis is mine). This cyclist is basically asking for advice on how best to break the law (against cyclists riding on the footpath).

 

 

And how many "responsible" fellow cyclists told him not to ride on the pavement?

 

Zero.

 

Zilch.

Nada.

In fact, one of the posters was hinting that he should ride up a ramped bridge, while explicitly mentioning that it was illegal.

 

Another champion (handle of Lynten):

 

 

 

I will stick to riding on the pavements and if get pulled over, I will ask the officer to ensure my safety on the road BEFORE he books me, if he can't the he will have to keep his ticket book.

 

Guess what? Posters were *supporting* him.

 

Not much constructive "participation" I can see going on there, I'm afraid. From what I've seen It's just like any other bike forum - they mostly stick together, whether right or wrong. This is the sort of pack mentality - one rule for me, one for others and holier-than-thou attitude that other road users often hate about the "educated, enthusiast" sort of cyclists.

 

Unless you can explicitly point me to better examples of your "participation", this is exactly the impression I am leaving with.

[Taipan49]

OK, I can't search for every single thing on that FB page. But here's a recent post I spotted just by scrolling a little:

 

(Emphasis is mine). This cyclist is basically asking for advice on how best to break the law (against cyclists riding on the footpath).

 

 

And how many "responsible" fellow cyclists told him not to ride on the pavement?

 

Zero.

 

Zilch.

Nada.

In fact, one of the posters was hinting that he should ride up a ramped bridge, while explicitly mentioning that it was illegal.

 

Another champion (handle of Lynten):

 

 

 

 

Guess what? Posters were *supporting* him.

 

Not much constructive "participation" I can see going on there, I'm afraid. From what I've seen It's just like any other bike forum - they mostly stick together, whether right or wrong. This is the sort of pack mentality - one rule for me, one for others and holier-than-thou attitude that other road users often hate about the "educated, enthusiast" sort of cyclists.

 

Unless you can explicitly point me to better examples of your "participation", this is exactly the impression I am leaving with.

 

Lol, that's funny.

 

You think I am that dumb to out myself? You have to be kidding yourself.

 

Oh well, no point arguing with you anymore, dragged myself down too much to your level.

[Datsun366]

1. Just went by circuit road today, you see the population of bicycles is enormous. You also see delivery trucks and sedans illegally parked with blinkers on, to top it off, one uncle going the wrong way on his orange scooter. (all this from one round of circuit using Lorong Bengkok as entry point).

For the uneducated, TPHQ is just across from Lorong Bengkok....

UBI has loads of bicycles.

2. Saturday am has lots of rich men riding their versions of the crotch rockets. Chiong across red light at PSA exit to keppel viaduct. More than a few. If you are reading this...hand in the cookie jar...BUSTED. The leader charged AMBER the rest followed...

3. Lone rider rode across the road from Cantonment Police HQ side to bus depot side. Through the exit for the bus.

 

I understand why it is nice to ride a bicycle, but this is getting ridiculous. As public officers, they get paid big amounts from vehicle taxes, Coe and ERP purses. Please enforce the law. Even the former law minister was charged with drunk driving, why are the police afraid of some rich people or s pass holders?

 

I am all for riding bicycle for enjoyment, but within the letter of the law.

The motorized bicycle when used correctly is wonderful for people with infirmities as well as the elderly. In the hands of the mentally handicapped, it becomes a weapon.

 

There a couple of teenage boys with congenital spinal degeneration. Weak spindly legs with poor perfusion. Scabs all over the legs. The motorized tricycle and bicycle gave these brothers some happiness and pride, as well as mobility. Trust me, they will not be able to pass BTT at all. They are that social class.

 

I believe that certain contributors are shortsighted as their life does not include people from other brackets of the social strata. Being a NZ lamb cutlet is a social strata all by himself. :-) they cannot see the holes in their argument for regulation of bicycles.

 

That FB page that Turboflat4 wanted, people of another social strata. Excess income that allows them the newest fad, expensive bicycles that 600 dollars is considered lousy. My God, swollen headed fools who have lost touch with society....ala Seetoh.

 

Back in the day 100 bucks BMX bike was a luxury present from Grandmother.

 

I strongly urge legal enforcement with less public outcry by the well heeled. Perhaps more legal enforcement on the well heeled...on Saturday and Sunday early am.

The views should include the other social levels, remember those two brothers, BTT or bicycle insurance does not exist in their world.

 

Enjoy the bump.

 

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=fLIS6VM44Bo

 

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Zh4WU031ET4

Edited March 23, 2014 by Datsun366

[1fast1]

 

Lol, that's funny.

 

You think I am that dumb to out myself? You have to be kidding yourself.

 

Oh well, no point arguing with you anymore, dragged myself down too much to your level.

 

VERY convenient. Not a stitch of evidence to support your point. But I expect nothing else of your ilk. You talk of "my level". But I'm not the one shamelessly marching into your precious Cycling forum to abuse cyclists, now am I? You think nothing of chastising this forum's posters (and possibly, the admins/mods themselves) for having the temerity to make/allow posts/threads criticising bad cyclist behaviour. When directly challenged about your bias, you claim to be even-handed. Yet you've shown NOTHING to prove your claims (you can't even refute my clearly-sourced counterclaims!). At least, the cyclists on that FB page had the sack to "out" themselves using their real names.

 

Just admit to your bias. Stop pretending to be a cycling and car fanatic in equal parts. Being insufferable is bad enough, but being a hypocrite is much worse. You are not here because you are a "car fanatic". You are here mainly to troll the forum advocating for the cyclists' POV. Even a cursory look at your past posts clearly show that most of them are cycling-centred. I wonder why a user, a self-professed "car fanatic", no less, has to have SO many cycling-related posts on a CAR FORUM, hmm?

Edited March 23, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Taipan49]

 

VERY convenient. Not a stitch of evidence to support your point. But I expect nothing else of your ilk. You talk of "my level". But I'm not the one shamelessly marching into your precious Cycling forum to abuse cyclists, now am I? You think nothing of chastising this forum's posters (and possibly, the admins/mods themselves) for having the temerity to make/allow posts/threads criticising bad cyclist behaviour. When directly challenged about your bias, you claim to be even-handed. Yet you've shown NOTHING to prove your claims (you can't even refute my clearly-sourced counterclaims!). At least, the cyclists on that FB page had the sack to "out" themselves using their real names.

 

Just admit to your bias. Stop pretending to be a cycling and car fanatic in equal parts. Being insufferable is bad enough, but being a hypocrite is much worse. You are not here because you are a "car fanatic". You are here mainly to troll the forum advocating for the cyclists' POV. Even a cursory look at your past posts clearly show that most of them are cycling-centred. I wonder why a user, a self-professed "car fanatic", no less, has to have SO many cycling-related posts on a CAR FORUM, hmm?

 

So you want me to out myself in an anonymous forum? Honestly why would I do such a thing, everything is your favour then? You have to be kidding.

 

Well you seem to have issues about cyclists, oh well, your personal drama every time you see one.

[1fast1]

 

So you want me to out myself in an anonymous forum? Honestly why would I do such a thing, everything is your favour then? You have to be kidding.

 

Well you seem to have issues about cyclists, oh well, your personal drama every time you see one.

 

So, even though you *claim* to be making valid, good points on FB that people here would welcome - *and* you're not averse to using your real identity to make those points on a *public* website (FB), you're suddenly shy about revealing them here?

 

Nice try. Maybe you just realised that you've made quite the unpopular ass of yourself on *this* forum, so you're afraid of people linking your posts here to your real identity on FB. That would be the most charitable interpretation of all this. Less charitable interpretations would involve you having been dishonest about making such posts on FB in the first place.

 

Whatever issues I may have with cyclists, they clearly pale in comparison with the issues you have with drivers. After all, it has to be a deeply flawed individual who takes it upon himself (herself?) to go out of his (her?) way to "take the fight to the enemy", as it were. On their own turf, and so forth. So keep saying that I'm the one with the "personal drama" - you're fooling no-one with your "pathetic" "diatribes" here.

 

BTW, to answer your question explicitly: I'm completely OK with you preserving your anonymity. It's the hypocritical bullsh*t that I can't stand. Stop trolling practically every thread where cycling comes up with your anti-driver, pro-cyclist drivel, and no one will call you out on your hypocrisy. Remember, this is a CAR forum. If I did this in your cycling forum, I would fully expect to be flamed. Not that I'd do that, I'm not that thick-skinned, self-righteous or bereft of attention. Doing what you're doing is an internet analogue of those "enthu" cyclists proudly giving the middle-finger to, and blocking the path of, motorists for any perceived slight on the roads. It's just a more cowardly and passive-aggressive version of the same behaviour, simply wrapped in the cloak of anonymity the Net provides. Now *that* is pathetic.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Taipan49]

 

So, even though you *claim* to be making valid, good points on FB that people here would welcome - *and* you're not averse to using your real identity to make those points on a *public* website (FB), you're suddenly shy about revealing them here?

 

Nice try. Maybe you just realised that you've made quite the unpopular ass of yourself on *this* forum, so you're afraid of people linking your posts here to your real identity on FB. That would be the most charitable interpretation of all this. Less charitable interpretations would involve you having been dishonest about making such posts on FB in the first place.

 

Whatever issues I may have with cyclists, they clearly pale in comparison with the issues you have with drivers. After all, it has to be a deeply flawed individual who takes it upon himself (herself?) to go out of his (her?) way to "take the fight to the enemy", as it were. On their own turf, and so forth. So keep saying that I'm the one with the "personal drama" - you're fooling no-one with your "pathetic" "diatribes" here.

 

BTW, to answer your question explicitly: I'm completely OK with you preserving your anonymity. It's the hypocritical bullsh*t that I can't stand. Stop trolling practically every thread where cycling comes up with your anti-driver, pro-cyclist drivel, and no one will call you out on your hypocrisy. Remember, this is a CAR forum. If I did this in your cycling forum, I would fully expect to be flamed. Not that I'd do that, I'm not that thick-skinned, self-righteous or bereft of attention. Doing what you're doing is an internet analogue of those "enthu" cyclists proudly giving the middle-finger to, and blocking the path of, motorists for any perceived slight on the roads. It's just a more cowardly and passive-aggressive version of the same behaviour, simply wrapped in the cloak of anonymity the Net provides. Now *that* is pathetic.

 

Believe what you want to believe if that makes you feel happier.

 

The main attribute of the internet is that everyone has an opinion and can say what they want to say, from behind a desktop. There is no such thing as a "car forum" if you talk about non-car topics and anyone can join and say their piece. It is a great (and bad) feature of the internet. So no need to get yourself worked up trying to argue with anonymous people. Have a great week ahead. Enjoy life, you only have one.

[1fast1]

Believe what you want to believe if that makes you feel happier.

Yes, thanks, I'll believe what I want. Even ...gasp... the self-evident truth.

 

 

The main attribute of the internet is that everyone has an opinion and can say what they want to say, from behind a desktop.

 

Know what they say about opinions and the sweaty, smelly orifice that comes into intimate contact with your bike seat? You're welcome to yours (in both senses), but you would create a lot less rancour and ill-will if you kept the more odious expressions from either confined to the appropriate venue. In your case, very little distinguishes the two sorts of "expressions"; however, at the minimum you can recognise that and keep at least your opinions to the cycling forums instead of inflicting them on everyone here.

 

 

There is no such thing as a "car forum" if you talk about non-car topics and anyone can join and say their piece. It is a great (and bad) feature of the internet.

 

Yet, it is very telling that you choose to use that privilege to make petty trolls of MCF.

 

 

So no need to get yourself worked up trying to argue with anonymous people. Have a great week ahead. Enjoy life, you only have one.

 

As do you - but your fellow cyclists (I'm charitably excluding you based on your claims) don't often seem to recognise this. And that's a chief source of stress on the roads. Because in the worst case, a driver can at most lose his licence, and far more rarely, his freedom. In contrast, the worst case for a cyclist ends with a pine box. As tragic as that is, it would be a lot more helpful if cyclists themselves realised it, and stopped riding as if the whole motoring population owed them a living. Or a life.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Turboflat4