teomingern Supercharged November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 Stinger more like a boulavard cruiser.Why would you say that? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 BTW.. 6 years and often as I walk towards my K5.. Still see it as a really good-looking car, holding its own among much newer cars.. and always with some regret KIA-SG just wouldn't bring it in with the TC'd DGI engine. M i emo abt the Stinger? Let's see what KIA-SG brings in, and how they price.. LOL Yes the K5 has a great design. I always call it the Transformer car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotan 2nd Gear November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 If it's true then my prediction is about there 6B227519-EC2B-41B0-9B9F-6C5042EFD22B.jpeg If really around this price it will sway me away from the civic turbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjandyy 4th Gear November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 Ah yes... that is right... But not the same at the family sedan / executive sedan level... I'm trying to compare cars of similar sizes: Hyundai Sonata VIII sunroof - 1565 kg Kia Optima - 1450 kg Audi A4 TFSI 2.0 - 1510 kg BMW 318i Sport - 1500 kg Mercedes Benz C180 Avant-garde - 1425 kg Volkswagen Passat 2.0 FSI - 1418 kg Volvo S60 T2 - 1589 kg Mazda 6 2.0 Executive - 1472 kg Toyota Camry 2.0 - 1480 kg Honda Accord 2.0 - 1530 kg Nissan Teana 2.0 - 1470 kg Note: all are published kerb weights. Different trims can add up to 100 kg to the final kerb weight. You can see clear weight advantages for all the non-Korean makes... note that the Sonata has a full glass panoramic roof with movable glass panel. The Optima doesn't have this so it cuts the weight down considerably... I'm not sure which of the German or Japanese models have a similar roof but note that the panoramic glass roof with a movable panel typically adds about 100 kg to the kerb weight... I'm not sure if this applies to the Sonata since the published kerb weight for both trims, one with glass roof and the other without are identical... which I find a bit suspicious... It also explains why my car's fuel consumption cannot compete with the other makes... I drive the Sonata... so heavy lar... The main weight drivers will be engine displacement and material type of engine and body. If you look at your comparison, most 2.0L cars have similar weight, with +/- 100kg due to difference in options. Comparing 1.0T cars with 1.6NA cars is like comparing Australian mandarin with orange. The reason for Koreans (or any other car makers) not adopting Aluminum body construction is more than just because Hyundai owns large steel business. Its really about cost (because I deal with both materials in my work). Al is more expensive than steel in general (not talking about SST here). Al being much softer needs higher grade and more complex engineering to achieve structural rigidity comparable to steel. Also, the manufacturing processes for Al are more difficult especially welding and painting. Which means more expensive, also difficult for post-sales repair. Audi uses all Al in its products because it is their differentiator and they have built technologies and techniques around it. For other manufacturers competing on price in mass market segments, it will be hard to justify using Al in most models, except high end or performance models. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 First UK review I come across, and the Stinger acquitted itself well against the esteemed Jag XE and BMW 440i. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/kia-stinger-gt-s-vs-bmw-440i-and-jaguar-xe-s-can-it-handle-heat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashbang Turbocharged November 19, 2017 Share November 19, 2017 First UK review I come across, and the Stinger acquitted itself well against the esteemed Jag XE and BMW 440i. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/kia-stinger-gt-s-vs-bmw-440i-and-jaguar-xe-s-can-it-handle-heat Price seems to be its main advantage, similar performance for cheaper. A good choice for those who want cheap power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 (edited) Price seems to be its main advantage, similar performance for cheaper. A good choice for those who want cheap power. I won't say its only cheap power, but cheap overall ability. It doesn't lose out much to the 2 of them in any way. "Here’s the thing, though: enough similarities exist between the pair that an XE S owner, forced to borrow a Stinger for weekend, may feel a tinge of remorse come Monday morning. Both do the GT thing well and both are deceptively quick, the Jag’s 3.0-litre engine hitting harder, higher up in the rev range, but there are times when the simpler Korean car, developed at the Nürburgring (sigh), elicits the more palpable sense of fun." A BMW GC 440i is listed at $300K. If the Stinger GT-S is going to be $200K, then its really a steal. Edited November 20, 2017 by Toeknee_33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern Supercharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 I won't say its only cheap power, but cheap overall ability. It doesn't lose out much to the 2 of them in any way. "Here’s the thing, though: enough similarities exist between the pair that an XE S owner, forced to borrow a Stinger for weekend, may feel a tinge of remorse come Monday morning. Both do the GT thing well and both are deceptively quick, the Jag’s 3.0-litre engine hitting harder, higher up in the rev range, but there are times when the simpler Korean car, developed at the Nürburgring (sigh), elicits the more palpable sense of fun." A BMW GC 440i is listed at $300K. If the Stinger GT-S is going to be $200K, then its really a steal. I wonder how the 2.0 L turbo will stand up against the BMW 440 and the Jaguar XE... smaller engine but turbocharged... I suspect for Singapore and NSHW, a 2.0 L turbo is more than sufficient... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 I wonder how the 2.0 L turbo will stand up against the BMW 440 and the Jaguar XE... smaller engine but turbocharged... I suspect for Singapore and NSHW, a 2.0 L turbo is more than sufficient... Yes in terms of raw performance the 2L with a century time of 5.9s will certainly be faster than most cars in its class and price. But the sound, feel and emotion of a V6 trounces that of a 4-pot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 I wonder how the 2.0 L turbo will stand up against the BMW 440 and the Jaguar XE... smaller engine but turbocharged... I suspect for Singapore and NSHW, a 2.0 L turbo is more than sufficient... the 2.0L turbo of Kia must be against a 330i or 430i. these are 2L turbos as well. a 440i is a 6cylinder 3.0 turbo. for sure it will win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Twincharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 Road tax is the problem. Not a matter of 2L is sufficient. Azera is a nice car, but how many can truly afford the 3.3L road tax? Not many I will tell you that. I wonder how the 2.0 L turbo will stand up against the BMW 440 and the Jaguar XE... smaller engine but turbocharged... I suspect for Singapore and NSHW, a 2.0 L turbo is more than sufficient... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashbang Turbocharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 Road tax is the problem. Not a matter of 2L is sufficient. Azera is a nice car, but how many can truly afford the 3.3L road tax? Not many I will tell you that. In SG 2L is the sweet spot between power and tax... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurman Supercharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 Road tax is the problem. Not a matter of 2L is sufficient. Azera is a nice car, but how many can truly afford the 3.3L road tax? Not many I will tell you that. Why the big genesis failed in sg coz its a 3.8cc not a 2.0t.. road tax alone kills.Bad fc is another. I have not test drive genesis. But i did touch the car in showroom b4. Its luxurious no doubt.... hehe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Twincharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 If anyone still remembers the Skoda Superb taxis, wow. The music of a V6 with the torque of a turbo diesel. Wonderful. In SG 2L is the sweet spot between power and tax... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurman Supercharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 Road tax is the problem. Not a matter of 2L is sufficient. Azera is a nice car, but how many can truly afford the 3.3L road tax? Not many I will tell you that. Why the big genesis failed in sg coz its a 3.8cc not a 2.0t.. road tax alone kills.Bad fc is another. I have not test drive genesis. But i did touch the car in showroom b4. Its luxurious no doubt.... hehe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern Supercharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 (edited) Why the big genesis failed in sg coz its a 3.8cc not a 2.0t.. road tax alone kills. Bad fc is another. I have not test drive genesis. But i did touch the car in showroom b4. Its luxurious no doubt.... hehe... Yeah I sat inside... very Germanic, very well made... certainly BMW & Merc territory... but I still prefer a bit more luxury... find the German brands too staid... Totally agree with the tax thing... 2.0 L turbo is really the sweet spot... that's why the Forester XT is a seller... excellent balance between power, price and tax... unfortunately the Mondeo doesn't sell well... just too expensive... Edited November 20, 2017 by teomingern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 (edited) Road tax is the problem. Not a matter of 2L is sufficient. Azera is a nice car, but how many can truly afford the 3.3L road tax? Not many I will tell you that. If one is already thinking about a 3L performance car (say an XE 3L or 440i or Q50 3L) the extra $400+ tax a year is not going to deter a potential buyer. He is gonna save tonnes over the depre anyway. Edited November 20, 2017 by Toeknee_33 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged November 20, 2017 Share November 20, 2017 (edited) Deleted double post. Edited November 20, 2017 by Toeknee_33 ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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