VES 2018

[therock]

IMO, this new VES can be neutral on our pockets if we choose wisely.

 

The main effect of the new VES is to push us towards vehicles which are cleaner. That means a significant proportion of the current choices do not stay in the same category, but become more expensive to buy.

 

Not having the choice we want will make some of us angry. For those who say they buy cars for the sake of going from point A to B, and not because they like the car, it's features etc, there are actually cars in the basic groups:

 

Small car - Attrage / Yaris

Mid size car - Corolla

Hybrid - Vezel Shuttle, Freed etc (from PI sources)

Small premium hatch - A 180

Small MPV - B180

7 seat MPV - Sienta

 

So you can remain in the same price bracket / budget if you wish or even enjoy a higher VES rebate for some cars.

 

In addition, dealers will also bring in new models or update existing ones with new engines that meet the new standards. So next year will not be doom and gloom.

 

There will be a small rush to clear stocks later this year, and some may blink and decide to buy instead of waiting to see what cars are being introduced next year.

 

But it's possible to keep to the same budget. It's a matter of having less choice or paying more for insisting on a certain car model.

 

  

[Benarsenal]

You guys have to understand, the Govt's primary and ultimate goal is to stop us from buying and driving cars cheaply. That is the first and foremost priority for them. Everything else is secondary and only comes after the first consideration.

 

If people still want or have to buy car for whatever reason, then their policies are designed to influence the type of cars the Govt wants us to buy. Whether is big car small car green car red car yellow car, all of these policies are meant to sway people towards whatever direction Govt wants us to take.

 

Only if you have super duper deep pockets then you can say 'screw you' and buy that big gas-guzzling V12 supercar. But not without Govt taking a huge chunk from you in tax first.

[Perspectivism]

You guys have to understand, the Govt's primary and ultimate goal is to stop us from buying and driving cars cheaply. That is the first and foremost priority for them. Everything else is secondary and only comes after the first consideration.

 

If people still want or have to buy car for whatever reason, then their policies are designed to influence the type of cars the Govt wants us to buy. Whether is big car small car green car red car yellow car, all of these policies are meant to sway people towards whatever direction Govt wants us to take.

 

Only if you have super duper deep pockets then you can say 'screw you' and buy that big gas-guzzling V12 supercar. But not without Govt taking a huge chunk from you in tax first.

One must be a fool to think that the government is interested in car population control, environmental friendliness etc.

 

Cars are environmentally unfriendly to produce. And yet our government limits car lifespan to 10 years and encourages through policies (parf) to buy NEW cars.

[Mustank]

One of these days they gonna tax those bicycle and electric bicycles fellows

[Vidz]

VES = Very Expensive System (or shit). at the end day, budget 2017 means only one thing => gahment money no enough... no need to debate or complain whether policies are logically.

 

better look for alternatives... or make more money  

 

[Ahgong]

IMO, this new VES can be neutral on our pockets if we choose wisely.

 

The main effect of the new VES is to push us towards vehicles which are cleaner. That means a significant proportion of the current choices do not stay in the same category, but become more expensive to buy.

 

Not having the choice we want will make some of us angry. For those who say they buy cars for the sake of going from point A to B, and not because they like the car, it's features etc, there are actually cars in the basic groups:

 

Small car - Attrage / Yaris

Mid size car - Corolla

Hybrid - Vezel Shuttle, Freed etc (from PI sources)

Small premium hatch - A 180

Small MPV - B180

7 seat MPV - Sienta

 

So you can remain in the same price bracket / budget if you wish or even enjoy a higher VES rebate for some cars.

 

In addition, dealers will also bring in new models or update existing ones with new engines that meet the new standards. So next year will not be doom and gloom.

 

There will be a small rush to clear stocks later this year, and some may blink and decide to buy instead of waiting to see what cars are being introduced next year.

 

But it's possible to keep to the same budget. It's a matter of having less choice or paying more for insisting on a certain car model.

 

  

having to herd a family of 7, where 2 are toddlers, 1 is wheelchair bound, going public is outta the question.

For those who say it is possible, try doing that every week, two diaper bag, one twin stroller, one wheelchair, then tell me it is viable.

 

the cars slated above, the pocket friendlier models are too small. the bigger variants are too ex.

 

sigh... squeezed by the balls still not enuff. now also want to choke the neck and throat.

this ahgong not into BSM leh.   

and if anyone start telling me to migrate, i am gonna come over and cock slap you silly.

migration is not an option for everyone. 

[therock]

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/car-sales-may-go-up-ahead-of-new-emissions-plan

 

 

Concerns over additional surcharges under the new emissions scheme may drive up car sales ahead of next year, say dealers.

Last Wednesday it was announced that a new Vehicular Emissions Scheme (VES) will replace the current Carbon Emissions-based Vehicle Scheme (CEVS) from January next year.

The new scheme will impose higher surcharges on carbon dioxide emissions as well as four other pollutants - hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and particulate matter.

The extension of the CEVS - originally due to expire in June - to the end of the year gives dealers ample time to clear their existing stock, said Mr Raymond Tang, first vice-president of the Singapore Vehicle Traders Association. "They can also use that time to bring in cars that meet the new standards."

Mr Derek Low, director of dealership Venture Cars, said motorists wanting to avoid additional surcharges may rush to buy cars before the new scheme kicks in.

 

 

But such concerns may be unwarranted, said Mr Neo Nam Heng, chairman of motor group Prime.

He expects fewer people to buy cars when the new scheme kicks in. This would result in lower Certificate of Entitlement premiums, which would help offset the cost of any additional surcharge.

"Consumers do not need to panic," he said. As many petrol models might no longer qualify for rebates under the VES, consumers may turn to petrol-electric hybrids, which may still qualify for significant rebates, added Mr Neo.

One car buyer, Ms Nurul Rahmat, said she would consider a hybrid like the Kia Niro when the VES comes into effect. "I think it should still qualify for rebates," said the 30-year-old civil servant.

Though more than half of the cars he sells are hybrids, Mr Low noted that current emissions tests do not take into account pollutants such as particulate matter. "Our cars will have to be retested to see what band they fall into," he said, referring to the grading of vehicles by emissions under the VES.

Noting, however, that diesel vehicles are likely to face higher surcharges under the VES, Mr Neo said: "It is too early to jump to any conclusions about which vehicles might not meet the standards."

This is because diesel vehicles emit more of the pollutants targeted by the new scheme despite producing less carbon than their petrol counterparts.

Pointing out that diesel also faces a volume-based tax of 10 cents per litre at the pump, Mr Neo said the increase in number of diesel cars in recent years will likely come to a halt.

"Diesel vehicles may eventually exit Singapore completely," he said.

 

[therock]

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/clearing-the-air-on-tailpipe-emissions

 

 

The Government announced a number of measures last week to tighten vehicular emission regulations. The new Vehicular Emissions Scheme, for instance, spells out limits on tailpipe pollutants such as nitrogen oxides and particulate matter. Stricter vehicle inspection standards will also be rolled out. Why is Singapore adopting these measures, and what implications will there be for consumers and the industry? Senior Transport Correspondent Christopher Tan presents a Q&A to address these questions, and more.

Q By January next year, all new cars, vans, trucks and buses will have to meet the most stringent Euro 6 emission standard. Why is there a need for additional measures such as the Vehicular Emissions Scheme (VES)?

A Euro 6 sets out the minimum standards which a vehicle has to meet before it can be registered here. The VES nudges consumers towards buying even cleaner models, and retailers towards importing such models.

Q Then why is the VES not extended to commercial vehicles and motorcycles?

A Yes, it should be. Having a VES for all vehicles would contribute more effectively to cleaner air. Policymakers, however, are always mindful of business cost implications and how higher costs would trickle down to consumers.

 

 

Q Why do the new measures seem targeted at diesel cars?

A Despite decades of trying, Singapore fails to meet World Health Organisation guidelines on the amount of particulate matter, sulphur dioxide and ground-level ozone in the air. These pollutants aggravate many serious health problems, including respiratory and heart diseases, strokes and even cancer. Industry and diesel vehicles are two main contributors to these pollutant levels. That said, petrol cars will be similarly judged based on their worst-performing pollutant level out of the five stipulated.

Q But why diesel cars? There are a lot more diesel commercial vehicles here, and they clock far greater distances than cars.

A The population of diesel passenger cars here has grown by nearly 30 times from 2011 to last year - a span of just five years. As at Jan 31 this year, their population stands at 10,888, having overtaken petrol-electric hybrids, which have been here for two decades. Even in Europe, policymakers are questioning diesel-friendly policies. A number of cities aim now to ban diesel cars by 2030. But they face a daunting task as diesel cars make up as much as 60 per cent of new car sales there. In 2015, Volkswagen was caught for cheating on emissions standards by programming diesel engines to activate certain controls only during laboratory testing. With that scandal as a catalyst, Singapore is nipping the problem in the bud.

Despite decades of trying, Singapore fails to meet World Health Organisation guidelines on the level of several air pollutants that are dangerous to health. The VES aims to tackle the problem by nudging consumers towards buying cleaner vehicle models. ST PHOTO: DESMOND WEE

Q If diesel is so bad, why did Europe promote it?

A Carbon dioxide has long been flagged as one of the main contributors to global warming. Diesel engines produce less CO2 than their petrol equivalents. Legislators saw diesel as a good way of reducing vehicular CO2 emission by as much as 30 per cent instantly. They were also convinced that newer technologies would render diesel engines almost as clean as petrol equivalents. Other countries, including Singapore, were less convinced.

Q So, is carbon dioxide no longer a concern?

A It still is. The VES, for instance, is designed to encourage small and efficient powertrains, including alternatives such as electric motors. And these engines are on a par with diesel engines - which tend to be bigger - when it comes to CO2 emission.

Q What is the Government doing about other polluters, such as commercial vehicles, oil refineries, ships and construction sites?

A The Government says steps are being taken to curb emissions from non-automotive polluters too. The planned carbon tax, to be rolled out from 2019, is one such step.

Q Why are the VES standards so stringent? Which models will qualify for rebate?

A Singapore has generally been good at rolling out new regulations in a gradual manner. The Carbon-based Emissions Vehicle Scheme - the VES' predecessor - was rather generous when it was introduced in 2013. About two-thirds of cars sold then fell within its neutral band. It was made stricter in 2015, before evolving into its latest form. Singapore is not alone in raising such standards. Japan announced plans recently to make it harder for cars to qualify for tax breaks. Cars there would soon have to be able to cover at least 20km a litre to qualify - up from 17km now. In Singapore, only electric cars are likely to qualify for the $20,000 rebate now, and small hybrids qualify for $10,000. Manufacturers, however, are likely to come up with cleaner variants by January next year.

Q The new standards may be stringent for new cars, but what is Singapore doing about its current vehicle population?

A Regulations are seldom retrospective here, so the new VES will not affect cars that are already on the road today. But the Government is taking steps to ensure that these vehicles do not pollute more. Stricter vehicle inspection standards will affect petrol cars and motorbikes from April next year. Last month, a 10-cent duty was introduced at diesel pumps to encourage more responsible use. And from August, a scheme to encourage owners to replace old, pollutive diesel commercial vehicles with Euro 6 versions will be enhanced.

Q Will parallel-imported cars be granted a 0.92 factor that, in effect, gives them a discount on their emissions?

A The so-called evolution coefficient factor applies only to CO2 - not the other four pollutants. So, it is unlikely to influence the banding of parallel imported cars when the VES kicks in next year.

 

[Leo22]

How nice.... (pun intended)

Another thing, I hope their definition of 'rebate' is, according to dictionary, "a refund of a fraction of the amount payable or paid, as for goods purchased in quantity; discount."

With a full stop. Not with the extension... 'will take back later'

[Ahgong]

How nice.... (pun intended)

Another thing, I hope their definition of 'rebate' is, according to dictionary, "a refund of a fraction of the amount payable or paid, as for goods purchased in quantity; discount."

With a full stop. Not with the extension... 'will take back later'

 

that is the standard english dictionary definition.

you forgot that here, there is a local dicksionary that has that "will take back later" version. 

[Kyrios]

Ok, so bottomline, will there be panic buying until 31 Dec 17?

[Kyrios]

One must be a fool to think that the government is interested in car population control, environmental friendliness etc.

 

Cars are environmentally unfriendly to produce. And yet our government limits car lifespan to 10 years and encourages through policies (parf) to buy NEW cars.

 

Yes...if the pappies want to save the env, I say start with the simple things first.

 

Too many of those so called recycle bins in shopping malls and even gahmen agencies...are being disposed by the cleaner workers in the wrong way. For example, there is this mall which I go to. For some time now I have been diligently throwing plastic bottles into the designated bins for plastics. Guess what, I saw one day the cleaner just combined everything from metal can bins and plastic bins and general refuse bins into a single garbage bag.

 

So whats the use of having so many different wayang containers?      

Edited March 15, 2017 by Kyrios

[therock]

Ok, so bottomline, will there be panic buying until 31 Dec 17?

No..

Prices aren't going lower yet. Dealers want to milks the buyers first.

Some who hesitate until the last minute or are hoping for deals will wait and wait. When the cars they want run out, they may panic and jump in, only to push the COE up.

 

Dealers aren't stupid, they will be busy hunting for cars which can give better emission. Of course some will be caught with their pants down, and will be left behind because they can't find any cars that meet the emissions.

 

Expect a lot of change, but how that effects prices remains to be seen. If you are hoping for a massive price drop, don't hold your breath. Eyeball the car you want and look out for price changes. 

[DACH]

A question :

While current petrol, petrol hybrid models can meet the new regulations by detuning, modifying the ECU chip, install more catalytic converters(?), smaller engines, enhanced ECO mode, and other technologies to mitigate the pollutant levels, how about diesels?

Should the new diesel cars install an Adblue tank to comply diesel engines to EURO 6 standards?

Are the current diesel cars installed with Adblue tanks?

As far as I know, currently many new trucks and buses have been using Adblue urea to lower pollutant levels of diesel engines and have been using this SCR technology for many years.

 

For example, Mercedes-Benz BlueTEC technology

 

If it's made mandatory, I'm sure diesel cars still have a market here.

[Kyrios]

No..

Prices aren't going lower yet. Dealers want to milks the buyers first.

Some who hesitate until the last minute or are hoping for deals will wait and wait. When the cars they want run out, they may panic and jump in, only to push the COE up.

 

Dealers aren't stupid, they will be busy hunting for cars which can give better emission. Of course some will be caught with their pants down, and will be left behind because they can't find any cars that meet the emissions.

 

Expect a lot of change, but how that effects prices remains to be seen. If you are hoping for a massive price drop, don't hold your breath. Eyeball the car you want and look out for price changes. 

 

Best scenario is to be able to snag a nice petrolheads' car b4 31 dec 2017 and drive merrily for the next 10 years......and then after that, renew COE to continue enjoying what a real V6/V8/V12 car should be.

[DACH]

No..

Prices aren't going lower yet. Dealers want to milks the buyers first.

Some who hesitate until the last minute or are hoping for deals will wait and wait. When the cars they want run out, they may panic and jump in, only to push the COE up.

 

Dealers aren't stupid, they will be busy hunting for cars which can give better emission. Of course some will be caught with their pants down, and will be left behind because they can't find any cars that meet the emissions.

 

Expect a lot of change, but how that effects prices remains to be seen. If you are hoping for a massive price drop, don't hold your breath. Eyeball the car you want and look out for price changes.

Actually many of the new cars introduced here for the past 2 years have met the EURO 6 standards.

Probably it will affect some mass market models but won't affect much for more premium brand buyers.

Some of these models may probably be replaced by new or Face-lifted models by new year, which will probably meet the emission standards by then.

 

I am quite interested if BM is going to bring in the Toyota Mirai next year.

[therock]

Actually many of the new cars introduced here for the past 2 years have met the EURO 6 standards.

Probably it will affect some mass market models but won't affect much for more premium brand buyers.

Some of these models may probably be replaced by new or Face-lifted models by new year, which will probably meet the emission standards by then.

 

I am quite interested if BM is going to bring in the Toyota Mirai next year.

 

I am not sure how many cars outside of the larger premium marques remain neutral..

Most of Audi, BMW and even Volvo's lower priced cars are badly affected.

 

As for facelifts, well, they are just that. Most keep the same engines. See the Corolla, City, and Elantra for example. All of the facelift cars are using the same engine. Luckily for Toyota, their engine is already clean enough.

[DACH]

Yes...if the pappies want to save the env, I say start with the simple things first.

 

Too many of those so called recycle bins in shopping malls and even gahmen agencies...are being disposed by the cleaner workers in the wrong way. For example, there is this mall which I go to. For some time now I have been diligently throwing plastic bottles into the designated bins for plastics. Guess what, I saw one day the cleaner just combined everything from metal can bins and plastic bins and general refuse bins into a single garbage bag.

 

So whats the use of having so many different wayang containers?

Want to save the environment, then stop the population growth. Simple as that.

Only natural growth from births, not mass importing FTs nor give pink ICs to any foreigners.

And before pointing the blame to Singaporeans for low birth rate, the govt should look at themselves on why the problems of high stresses and increasing prices of living are not solved yet for the past decades. Why a family friendly flat and car continues to be so expensive to an average cycle after cycle of policy changes?