VES 2018

[DACH]

I am not sure how many cars outside of the larger premium marques remain neutral..

Most of Audi, BMW and even Volvo's lower priced cars are badly affected.

 

As for facelifts, well, they are just that. Most keep the same engines. See the Corolla, City, and Elantra for example. All of the facelift cars are using the same engine. Luckily for Toyota, their engine is already clean enough.

With the EURO 6 standards already enforced in Europe last year, I think these manufacturers will do a catch up, else they will lose their market share there.

I think Audi and BMW lower priced models are mainly diesels, which brings my question about Adblue stated above.

Volvo V40, S60 are old models and should be due for replacement soon.

[therock]

Just so you know, Audi uses VW engines, and their entry level models will see an increase of15-25k..

Not diesels bro, they use turbo petrol engines. 

Edited March 15, 2017 by therock

[Char]

Want to save the environment, then stop the population growth. Simple as that.

Only natural growth from births, not mass importing FTs nor give pink ICs to any foreigners.

And before pointing the blame to Singaporeans for low birth rate, the govt should look at themselves on why the problems of high stresses and increasing prices of living are not solved yet for the past decades. Why a family friendly flat and car continues to be so expensive to an average cycle after cycle of policy changes?

Our housing and transportation policies are most complicated in the world !

[DACH]

Just so you know, Audi uses VW engines, and their entry level models will see an increase of15-25k..

Not diesels bro, they use turbo petrol engines.

So they might detune these engines or simply replace with another engine to meet the emission standards?

Probably we might see the Audi A3 e-tron debut this year...

Edited March 15, 2017 by DACH

[Vidz]

without a comprehensive list of cars within each emission bands, no one will know how COE will go... then again, no one will know how COE will go, period

[inlinesix]

IMO, this new VES can be neutral on our pockets if we choose wisely.

 

The main effect of the new VES is to push us towards vehicles which are cleaner. That means a significant proportion of the current choices do not stay in the same category, but become more expensive to buy.

 

Not having the choice we want will make some of us angry. For those who say they buy cars for the sake of going from point A to B, and not because they like the car, it's features etc, there are actually cars in the basic groups:

 

Small car - Attrage / Yaris

Mid size car - Corolla

Hybrid - Vezel Shuttle, Freed etc (from PI sources)

Small premium hatch - A 180

Small MPV - B180

7 seat MPV - Sienta

 

So you can remain in the same price bracket / budget if you wish or even enjoy a higher VES rebate for some cars.

 

In addition, dealers will also bring in new models or update existing ones with new engines that meet the new standards. So next year will not be doom and gloom.

 

There will be a small rush to clear stocks later this year, and some may blink and decide to buy instead of waiting to see what cars are being introduced next year.

 

But it's possible to keep to the same budget. It's a matter of having less choice or paying more for insisting on a certain car model.

 

  

 

Are you sure or not?

 

Tesla is supposed to be ZERO emission.  Which band will it fall under?

 

[Kyrios]

Just so you know, Audi uses VW engines, and their entry level models will see an increase of15-25k..

Not diesels bro, they use turbo petrol engines. 

 

Bro, please enlighten my ignorant mind. This increase of 15-25k is only next year 1 Jan right?

[therock]

Bro, please enlighten my ignorant mind. This increase of 15-25k is only next year 1 Jan right?

That's correct. Cheers

[Kyrios]

That's correct. Cheers

 

Ok I see some AD advertisements already brandishing the threat of raising prices...wah so fast AD play mind games like ferguson liao... 

[therock]

Ok I see some AD advertisements already brandishing the threat of raising prices...wah so fast AD play mind games like ferguson liao... 

I wouldn't expect otherwise..

Hence my earlier post, on timing.

If you need a car now, go ahead, but if you have until 2018, there will be moments when the dealers blink and offer some of their cars at a discount.

Hard to predict when, but if you have time, you might get a better deal.

Don't wait too long, as I suspect that in December, all those who have been vacillating the whole year will rush in..

[Mkl22]

Doesn't mean that overall car prices will rise, coe might moderate some if the arf paid goes up. Who knows exactly.

[Watwheels]

Doesn't mean that overall car prices will rise, coe might moderate some if the arf paid goes up. Who knows exactly.

 

As emission standard gets stricter over the coming years so will LTA. Today Car A is able to get emission rebates but next year it might not. Bottom line it's still largely dependant on how car dealers price the cars.

[Mkl22]

As emission standard gets stricter over the coming years so will LTA. Today Car A is able to get emission rebates but next year it might not. Bottom line it's still largely dependant on how car dealers price the cars.

Too strict too soon. Less cars available for sale and maybe coe will drop. Just like the case of implementation of euro4 for diesel in 2007. Probably they wised up by now and not be to Kay khiang. Cause what they are looking at is a net gain. If at the end of the day the extra taxes collected via emissions is more than offset by the the coe drop. Then LPPL. For sure they will tweek the system once again.

[Carbon82]

Anyone noticed that not all vehicles are affected by the new VES scheme. While many small cars, which are "green" by today emissions standard, will cost more by next year, on the contrast, large car (e.g. sport car, luxury car/SUV), which emit much more CO2, get to "enjoy" a reduction in surcharge ($10K to be precise) come next year.

 

So the rules are biased?? Another "prove" that the rich enjoy more perks??

[Bugyeo]

The scholars are trying hard to stimulate the market to make more la, when more jump in.....nearer to 2018 they will tweeted again for sure :)

[Mockngbrd]

Can manufacturers "detune" their cars to meet local rules? Sure.

 

Will they do it?

Of course not, sg market is small fry, the number of cars sold here in a year prob can be made up by one to two months of prc sales. They won't bother.

[Ver45]

Is it better to renew coe now or wait? Mine is due Mar 2018.

[Vratenza]

Wait for electrical Grid Surcharge. This one line hidden in the last paragraph of the VES announcement. 

 

 

 

As of now, only electric models are likely to qualify for the top rebate of $20,000 and $30,000 for cars and taxis, respectively. This tier stipulates zero emission for particulate matter, and near-zero emission for the other pollutants and less than 90g/km of CO2.

There will however be a grid emission factor to take into account the CO2 produced in the production of electricity used to charge these battery-powered vehicles. The Land Transport Authority said this factor will only be announced "in due time".

 

Are you sure or not?

 

Tesla is supposed to be ZERO emission.  Which band will it fall under?
 

 

Edited March 15, 2017 by Vratenza