VES 2018

[DACH]

COE will come down some more ........ those waiting say

 

Probably will, but 20k-ish I think will be very difficult. 

[Wt_know]

at the end of the day, it’s left right pocket

but better pocket

high coe got residual value and rebate

high VES is outright tax ... huat ah!

[Zze121]

Anybody know if the continental brand & model will be affected come July next month?

Meaning jump to next VES banding from current.

Base on a Merc B180 1.6L turbo.

B4 Jul it's in band A2 range which is -$10k.

It's PM hit 0.32mg/km which fall under neutral band B which is 0.3~0.5mg/km.

 

Can't go tuning liao, easily cross that mark.

For now, left 1 week to register b4 new spec kicks in.

[therock]

Base on a Merc B180 1.6L turbo.

B4 Jul it's in band A2 range which is -$10k.

It's PM hit 0.32mg/km which fall under neutral band B which is 0.3~0.5mg/km.

 

Can't go tuning liao, easily cross that mark.

For now, left 1 week to register b4 new spec kicks in.

IMO, if you are keen on the B180, wait and get it after July.

You may think that a 10k rebate is wonderful, but you pay for it later on when you scrap it at the end. You will get 10k less.

Now the price may have dropped somewhat, but I can tell you as a fact, that Merc did not give you the full 10k back from the selling price.

 

The SRP is always around the 150-155k mark, then there are all kinds of discounts, rebates etc to make the price more attractive - see my signature and join us at the Merc thread bro.

 

If you need a rep, pm me (not a sales person). It's a nice car, a nice engine and goes on the NSH very nicely. Safest car in it's class, top ten most aerodynamic in the world - yes it's true, so long as you don't mind driving a bread van... more legroom than an E Class... 

[Happily1986]

True.

The point that the testing standard rests on a rim size which can be easily changed, I just cannot comprehend the thought process behind this. I am no engineer but would think it should be more technical-based such as the engine output, the clean tech involved, exhaust system etc

 

I think you forgot the one important factor/consideration that trumps everything else. Cost.

 

you think these guys are working without any cost constraints in sight?

 

How about "real engineering" coupled with R&D and your car comes out of the factory dearer by 7 grand? Not for performance gain or even frugality, just emission control. You gonna buy that? There you go

Civic 1.5T i saw on their pricelist will be Band B - neutral. 

 

The achilles heel for small LPTs (low pressure turbo) is NOx emissions. Carbon emission performance is wondrous but not NOx.

[Happily1986]

Probably will, but 20k-ish I think will be very difficult. 

 

COE goes down but if VES penalty kicks in, net no difference but you are getting less out of the paper value upon scrap.

[Zze121]

COE goes down but if VES penalty kicks in, net no difference but you are getting less out of the paper value upon scrap.

Parf is higher when there is no rebate.

[Heartlander]

IMO, if you are keen on the B180, wait and get it after July.

You may think that a 10k rebate is wonderful, but you pay for it later on when you scrap it at the end. You will get 10k less.

Now the price may have dropped somewhat, but I can tell you as a fact, that Merc did not give you the full 10k back from the selling price.

 

The SRP is always around the 150-155k mark, then there are all kinds of discounts, rebates etc to make the price more attractive - see my signature and join us at the Merc thread bro.

 

If you need a rep, pm me (not a sales person). It's a nice car, a nice engine and goes on the NSH very nicely. Safest car in it's class, top ten most aerodynamic in the world - yes it's true, so long as you don't mind driving a bread van... more legroom than an E Class... 

What you posted is quite true, but if C&C is to slap $10k straight after 1/July to compensate for the banding difference, then the potential buyer will have to fork out 10k outright now haha.

[therock]

What you posted is quite true, but if C&C is to slap $10k straight after 1/July to compensate for the banding difference, then the potential buyer will have to fork out 10k outright now haha.

Yes, if one needs the car right away, then don't wait, because right after the VES adjustments, prices will reflect the tax, and dealers will tell you the price increase is due to the tax..

If you go back to the super high COE times, the actual prices of Conti makes did not go up that much, because they squeezed their own margins, or cut back on some equipment so their prices actually looked more attractive to the buyers compared to the Asian makes.

That's why there was a big shift to conti cars. Couple that with the introduction of entry level models to the premium marques, it made these brands far more attractive.

I mean, if you had a choice, will you get a Corolla at 130k or pay a bit more for a Merc/Audi/BMW? The VW Golf also sold thousands based on the same pricing scenario..

[Sdf4786k]

Yes, if one needs the car right away, then don't wait, because right after the VES adjustments, prices will reflect the tax, and dealers will tell you the price increase is due to the tax..

If you go back to the super high COE times, the actual prices of Conti makes did not go up that much, because they squeezed their own margins, or cut back on some equipment so their prices actually looked more attractive to the buyers compared to the Asian makes.

That's why there was a big shift to conti cars. Couple that with the introduction of entry level models to the premium marques, it made these brands far more attractive.

I mean, if you had a choice, will you get a Corolla at 130k or pay a bit more for a Merc/Audi/BMW? The VW Golf also sold thousands based on the same pricing scenario..

also depends on whether the dealer use USD or Euro to do the OMV registration as the currency fluctuation impacted some of those cars

[blmg]

IMO, if you are keen on the B180, wait and get it after July.

You may think that a 10k rebate is wonderful, but you pay for it later on when you scrap it at the end. You will get 10k less.

 

 

If you have the $10k rebate, your parf will be lesser by $5k (50%).

 

At the end, best to look at car depreciation (buying price less parf) as comparison.

Edited June 25, 2018 by blmg

[RogerNg_185295]

Note that BM is not passing on the 10K VES surcharge to buyers. Expect other ADs to do the same as well

[Leo72]

Note that BM is not passing on the 10K VES surcharge to buyers. Expect other ADs to do the same as well

I'll take this with a pinch of salt. In business, there is no way someone will do a losing money business. Bottom line is after deducting the operation cost and taxes to be pay, the deals must still make money. The only question is how much money need to be make or profit need to be make.

[Invigorated]

I'll take this with a pinch of salt. In business, there is no way someone will do a losing money business. Bottom line is after deducting the operation cost and taxes to be pay, the deals must still make money. The only question is how much money need to be make or profit need to be make.

I'm sure they are still making money. Perhaps just lesser as they have not increased prices much with the new ves. It's similar to what suzuki did with the voters.

[therock]

Yep, you can take out some stuff, ala the Elantras, so the OMV goes down.. but retain most of the car.. the best people want.

Airbags and active safety can go, most SG buyers want the leather and rims, who cares about safety right?

[RogerNg_185295]

They "absorb" for certain models only. 

I'll take this with a pinch of salt. In business, there is no way someone will do a losing money business. Bottom line is after deducting the operation cost and taxes to be pay, the deals must still make money. The only question is how much money need to be make or profit need to be make.

 

Altis still cost 100k despite COE at 36k, I think they make their profits in that area

I'm sure they are still making money. Perhaps just lesser as they have not increased prices much with the new ves. It's similar to what suzuki did with the voters.

 

[Vratenza]

VES (1st July 2018) penalty 10K/20K

List prices remain the same....AD shouting: We ABSORB VES! Quick buy before we raise the prices.

 

Everyone thinks "Cheep Cheep CheeP" ...all jump in....

 

 

And of course they conveniently left out the part where the COE is about 15-20K lower than 1-2 yrs ago.

 

 

[RogerNg_185295]

VES (1st July 2018) penalty 10K/20K

List prices remain the same....AD shouting: We ABSORB VES! Quick buy before we raise the prices.

 

Everyone thinks "Cheep Cheep CheeP" ...all jump in....

 

 

And of course they conveniently left out the part where the COE is about 15-20K lower than 1-2 yrs ago.

Will buyers fall for it?