2018 Nissan Serena e-POWER

[Didu]

For those who'd prefer a small SUV format with this same e-Power drive train, Nissan is launching Kicks in Thailand. Maybe it'll reach our shores soon after.

https://autos.yahoo.com.tw/news/技術日產海外扎根-nissan-kicks-e-power-164254293.html

https://paultan.org/2020/05/15/2020-nissan-kicks-facelift-e-power-now-launched-in-thailand-updated-design-four-variants-from-rm121k/

[ER-3682]

1 hour ago, Didu said:

For those who'd prefer a small SUV format with this same e-Power drive train, Nissan is launching Kicks in Thailand. Maybe it'll reach our shores soon after.

https://autos.yahoo.com.tw/news/技術日產海外扎根-nissan-kicks-e-power-164254293.html

https://paultan.org/2020/05/15/2020-nissan-kicks-facelift-e-power-now-launched-in-thailand-updated-design-four-variants-from-rm121k/

I rather buy made in Japan Toyota CH-R..Hybrid.

[Atrecord]

On 3/9/2020 at 11:58 PM, Heartlander said:

I also very curious about the safety features that are available in our Serena. I can only see the donkey years ago standard features like ABS braking system, Hill control etc. How about AEB, blind-spot detection, Lane Departure warning. ACC, etc? And what is Intelligent Driver Alert System? Thanks anyone who willing to share.

Unfortunately, Tan Chong is only concerned about reducing the OMV of the car, so that they can either milk the most margin, or is afraid of losing to competitors in terms of price.

As a result, they have brought in the most basic spec model, without any of the modern safety features that you mentioned. 

It doesn't even have electronic parking brake, autohold, auto-dimming rear-vew mirror, etc.

[Heartlander]

2 hours ago, Atrecord said:

Unfortunately, Tan Chong is only concerned about reducing the OMV of the car, so that they can either milk the most margin, or is afraid of losing to competitors in terms of price.

As a result, they have brought in the most basic spec model, without any of the modern safety features that you mentioned. 

It doesn't even have electronic parking brake, autohold, auto-dimming rear-vew mirror, etc.

That is why i got the Steppie instead haha.

And with OMV of $31.6k, my car scrap value is $18k. So depreciation should be lower.

Edited May 19, 2020 by Heartlander
Added last sentence.

[Atrecord]

10 hours ago, Heartlander said:

That is why i got the Steppie instead haha.

And with OMV of $31.6k, my car scrap value is $18k. So depreciation should be lower.

Oh, you mean you got the stepwagon?

does it come with honda sensing?

[Heartlander]

5 hours ago, Atrecord said:

Oh, you mean you got the stepwagon?

does it come with honda sensing?

Yes. Stepwagon Spada. After owning Velfire before, I find this car the best balance wrt to external size and interior space. It is shorter than Odyssey but definitely more spacious. And century sprint can reach 8.x sec, making it among the fastest MPV despite its 1.5L engine which translate to road tax saving. Many smart interior features.

Came with following Honda Sensing features:

Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), False Start Prevention, Pedestrian Collision Mitigation Steering System, Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) System, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Lead Car Departure Notification System and Traffic Sign Recognition.

All working quite well after I adjusted the sensitivity levels to my liking. For example the Lead Car Departure Notification System by default only beep when the front car is about 10m away which is very useless for our traffic situation. After I adjusted it to be most sensitive, it beep when the front car moves 1m away, which is good.

For FC, consistently getting slightly >600km per tank of 50L. Even better than my B180 compact hatch with same travel pattern.

[Atrecord]

6 hours ago, Heartlander said:

Yes. Stepwagon Spada. After owning Velfire before, I find this car the best balance wrt to external size and interior space. It is shorter than Odyssey but definitely more spacious. And century sprint can reach 8.x sec, making it among the fastest MPV despite its 1.5L engine which translate to road tax saving. Many smart interior features.

Came with following Honda Sensing features:

Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), False Start Prevention, Pedestrian Collision Mitigation Steering System, Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) System, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Lead Car Departure Notification System and Traffic Sign Recognition.

All working quite well after I adjusted the sensitivity levels to my liking. For example the Lead Car Departure Notification System by default only beep when the front car is about 10m away which is very useless for our traffic situation. After I adjusted it to be most sensitive, it beep when the front car moves 1m away, which is good.

For FC, consistently getting slightly >600km per tank of 50L. Even better than my B180 compact hatch with same travel pattern.

Wow, you change cars more often than i change my... brake pad 😆

Didn't know you changed to Stepwgn. I'd tested the previous stepwgn in 2006, before i decided to get a Wish. This Stepwgn is not bad, and the waku waku door is very useful - can fight with Serena's dual tailgate in terms of functionality.

But I was worried by someone's comments here in MCF few years ago that becos that's no rear bumper, if there's any minor kiss from the back, the whole tailgate is affected 😓

The safety features are certainly impressive. How much did you pay for it? And is it a hybrid? When i was looking around casually abt 1.5 yr ago, the PIs said no more stock then, gave me the impression they were only keen on bringing in the hybrid models (like those of vezel, shuttle, noah, etc.).

Can the 3rd row seats move front/back? I remember they can be folded flat onto the floorboard, but can't shift front/back right? Serena's can move front/back to allow adjustment of 3rd row passenger's comfort vs boot space.

Oh yes, does the stepwgn have electronic parking brake and autohold?

[Heartlander]

15 hours ago, Atrecord said:

Wow, you change cars more often than i change my... brake pad 😆

This one can blame my wife haha. She complained that go market on weekends with kids to have breakfast have to drive 2 cars very mafan. She initially asked for a year-old used Odyssey but I manage to convince her Stepwgn is a better option because I like it more as I will be driving it.

Anyway this car is considered cheap for many here so changing is no big deal lah.

Didn't know you changed to Stepwgn. I'd tested the previous stepwgn in 2006, before i decided to get a Wish. This Stepwgn is not bad, and the waku waku door is very useful - can fight with Serena's dual tailgate in terms of functionality.

The facelifted waku waku door now is even better, can hold the small door in steps at pre-set angles. To me it beats Serena's door simply because it also allows entry and exit of the car, can walk from the door all the way to the first row with the uncluttered central isle.

But I was worried by someone's comments here in MCF few years ago that becos that's no rear bumper, if there's any minor kiss from the back, the whole tailgate is affected 😓 

I am not so worried about rear hatch damage as most likely caused by people knocking into my car so can claim insurance. Only possible scenarios where I have to foot the repair bill is when hit-and-run and kuku reverse knock into concrete structures. But that would be rare so I am not going to be worried about that.

If you look at current MPVs like Odyssey, Freed, Serena, Grand Scenic, Triplets, etc, all rear hatch are designed in similar structure. Waku Waku door structure is definitely more complicated but do not think it is going to be very expensive.

 

 

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The safety features are certainly impressive. How much did you pay for it? And is it a hybrid? When i was looking around casually abt 1.5 yr ago, the PIs said no more stock then, gave me the impression they were only keen on bringing in the hybrid models (like those of vezel, shuttle, noah, etc.).

I paid $12xk. Currently only 3 PIs carry this model: Prime, Jack Cars, Edmund. Only Edmund carry the hybrid model. But it would be 10k higher. Got from Prime as trusting the company.

Can the 3rd row seats move front/back? I remember they can be folded flat onto the floorboard, but can't shift front/back right? Serena's can move front/back to allow adjustment of 3rd row passenger's comfort vs boot space.

Third row fold flat into the floor creating a huge space for load carrying. Cannot slide but definitely not a deal breaker as the second row can shift front/back to create better legroom space in second and third row better than Odyssey. Serena second row can shift sideway but not deal breaker for me as the centre isle in Stepwagon already allow access to third row easily. The Stepwagon is much more functional than Serena in interior aspects as it has many storage spaces and many hooks built-in to hold plastic bags.

Oh yes, does the stepwgn have electronic parking brake and autohold?

Unfortunately no. Serena also no have.

If you keen to get one, good to visit Prime showroom in Ubi as it carries the Stepwagon Spada as well as the Triplets so you can go touch feel for yourself all in one place to do due diligence. The Nissan showroom is also just across the fence so can go there first to do test drive and get a baseline of the car touching here and there.

The Stepwagon was really love at first sight as it looks so much better than all the minivans like Serena and Triplets, both externally and internally. The most un-van like. It comes with Honda Sensing package, full LED headlight and foglight where you cannot see any light bulbs, DRL, cornering lights at the front side that lighted only when cornering, Waku Waku door, 1.5L turbo engine that can do century sprint of 8.x sec, can do 600km using 50L of petrol, road-tax saving, typical jap car servicing costs.

After coming from Vellfire, B180 feel quality but very lacking in interior space. This Stepwagon definitely providing much more space, and surprisingly feel quite quality also ion the material used. Definitely enjoying this ride much more, cheaper some more. The B180 when scraped can get back only < $8k but this car can get back $18k. So no complain lah.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Heartlander
Added pictures.

[Atrecord]

19 hours ago, Heartlander said:

If you keen to get one, good to visit Prime showroom in Ubi as it carries the Stepwagon Spada as well as the Triplets so you can go touch feel for yourself all in one place to do due diligence. The Nissan showroom is also just across the fence so can go there first to do test drive and get a baseline of the car touching here and there.

The Stepwagon was really love at first sight as it looks so much better than all the minivans like Serena and Triplets, both externally and internally. The most un-van like. It comes with Honda Sensing package, full LED headlight and foglight where you cannot see any light bulbs, DRL, cornering lights at the front side that lighted only when cornering, Waku Waku door, 1.5L turbo engine that can do century sprint of 8.x sec, can do 600km using 50L of petrol, road-tax saving, typical jap car servicing costs.

After coming from Vellfire, B180 feel quality but very lacking in interior space. This Stepwagon definitely providing much more space, and surprisingly feel quite quality also ion the material used. Definitely enjoying this ride much more, cheaper some more. The B180 when scraped can get back only < $8k but this car can get back $18k. So no complain lah.

Actually, what's the difference between Spada and no Spada? I went to see the car when it was still quite new, but didn't follow closely the different specs.

When we were seriously looking for a car (later), we went to Prime, and was told no stock at that time. I recall most PIs stopped bringing in petrol cars and were bringing in hybrids, prob becos of the govt's change of rules on the CEVS.

Before Vellfire, did you drive the Biante? How do you find the differences betw these full-size/boxy MPVs?

The 8.x century sprint is impressive. I tot that's only for 2.0T. E-power is only 1.2L but has high torque and can get i think 8.3 sec too. The road tax is a blunder as TC initially touted that it's super savings cos it's 1.2L, but later LTA clarified that due to the high power, it's about double of what TC first said. Won't Stepwgn also be subjected to this, since it sounds powerful too?

Don't know how come the earlier part of your quote doesn't appear...

Ha ha, wife-blaming for wrong choice of car(s) bought. Good that I have a 知音 here.

Wife chose the X-trail when our 13-yr-old Wish was deemed too unreliable (1.5 yr ago), and convinced our son to squeeze into 3rd row on the rare occasions when we go out with my parents... And before long, son caught up with me and is now even taller than me, i think ~1.85 m!

So i'm seriously thinking of getting another MPV again...

I'm surprised that none of these potentials - Triplets/Stepwgn/Serena - or even Ody, has got electronic parking brake, which I think is very useful.

Another thing that is useful is the 360 deg camera that Serena has, but it's possible to add this on, even though it's not as good as factory-fitted.

[Heartlander]

20 minutes ago, Atrecord said:

Actually, what's the difference between Spada and no Spada? I went to see the car when it was still quite new, but didn't follow closely the different specs.

I think no need to bother since only Spada version is sold here nowadays, though in Japan both versions are available. Spada is with enhanced bodikit. Anyway guess which 1 is Spada?

 

When we were seriously looking for a car (later), we went to Prime, and was told no stock at that time. I recall most PIs stopped bringing in petrol cars and were bringing in hybrids, prob becos of the govt's change of rules on the CEVS.

Now have very sure. Prime got one at their Ubi showroom permanently. Jack Cars and Edmund store somewhere else. So only Prime has physical car to touch.

Before Vellfire, did you drive the Biante? How do you find the differences betw these full-size/boxy MPVs?

Biante has similar external dimensions as Stepwagon. It only win in the AD factor. It loses out in all other areas: external look, interior functionality, FC, road tax, cabin quality, engine power, etc, etc. Its dashboard design is especially dated and devoid of most modern safety features. Vellfire is too huge for most people with horrendous Fc of 8km/L for my driving pattern. Its cabin quality is good and capacity is huge but really wasting petrol if you drive it to work everyday and hauling family only on weekends. I find Stepwagon size the best balance as it does not look huge but has plenty of interior space to accommodate family of 6 or 7 very comfortably. Best is that its powerful engine make driving very effortless and "exciting". If I floor it at traffic light, can pull away from most cars easily.

The 8.x century sprint is impressive. I tot that's only for 2.0T. E-power is only 1.2L but has high torque and can get i think 8.3 sec too. The road tax is a blunder as TC initially touted that it's super savings cos it's 1.2L, but later LTA clarified that due to the high power, it's about double of what TC first said. Won't Stepwgn also be subjected to this, since it sounds powerful too?

If you watch those Japanese review videos on Stepwagon 1.5T, you will constantly hear "hayayi" being uttered when the car is put on highway, meaning fast.

From next Jan, road tax for Serena would be about $900, reduced from $1400 currently. Stepwagon is petrol car under cat B COE road tax is about $682. Its scrape value also relatively high at about $18k.

Don't know how come the earlier part of your quote doesn't appear...

Ha ha, wife-blaming for wrong choice of car(s) bought. Good that I have a 知音 here.

I have been lucky. She quite firmly asked me to change my car so I have final say though she does not actually like the external look. But she has her car already so cannot complain. I would say the stars have aligned well for me.

Wife chose the X-trail when our 13-yr-old Wish was deemed too unreliable (1.5 yr ago), and convinced our son to squeeze into 3rd row on the rare occasions when we go out with my parents... And before long, son caught up with me and is now even taller than me, i think ~1.85 m!

So i'm seriously thinking of getting another MPV again...

If you and your family can accept PI, this Stepwagon Spada will serve your family well. Vellfire is too big for most families, and at about $123k now Stepwagon is cheaper by a big margin and much cheaper to maintain. If must take AD, then please consider serena. Go molest both cars and test drive Serena for due diligence. Really VFM that a $125k car can have less than 9sec century sprint with such huge loading capacity and reasonably quality cabin.

I'm surprised that none of these potentials - Triplets/Stepwgn/Serena - or even Ody, has got electronic parking brake, which I think is very useful.

Stepwagon Spada Hybrid has electronic parking brake and Auto Hold and dimmable cabin lights, but costing about 10k more. If mileage high, is worth it. Only Edmund Motor has it.

Another thing that is useful is the 360 deg camera that Serena has, but it's possible to add this on, even though it's not as good as factory-fitted.

Frankly not really necessary as the car is only 4.7m long and 1.7m wide, similar to any average sedan car. Stepwagon comes with a clever mirror system at passenger side to allow driver to see the bottom front part of the car when parking. Anyway if want to do 3rd party system, then must get the 9"Android headunit to maximise the view.

 

[Heartlander]

I will add on to explain why the 1.5L turbo engine in Stepwagon can make the car go much faster than similar rides such as the Triplets and Biante which return century sprint of about 12sec even though on paper it can only churn out similar power at about 150bhp.

The difference is that being a turbo engine, the max power is available at much lower rpm of about 2k to 3k. Quite basic knowledge but tends to be overlooked.

So do not look at he max power of different rides and think the century sprint would be similar if max power rated is similar. This is one good example. 

[inlinesix]

20 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

I will add on to explain why the 1.5L turbo engine in Stepwagon can make the car go much faster than similar rides such as the Triplets and Biante which return century sprint of about 12sec even though on paper it can only churn out similar power at about 150bhp.

The difference is that being a turbo engine, the max power is available at much lower rpm of about 2k to 3k. Quite basic knowledge but tends to be overlooked.

So do not look at he max power of different rides and think the century sprint would be similar if max power rated is similar. This is one good example. 

Similar to 2GT/AT, 203nm torque from 1.6k RPM.

[Atrecord]

5 hours ago, Heartlander said:

I think no need to bother since only Spada version is sold here nowadays, though in Japan both versions are available. Spada is with enhanced bodikit. Anyway guess which 1 is Spada?

Now have very sure. Prime got one at their Ubi showroom permanently. Jack Cars and Edmund store somewhere else. So only Prime has physical car to touch.

Biante has similar external dimensions as Stepwagon. It only win in the AD factor. It loses out in all other areas: external look, interior functionality, FC, road tax, cabin quality, engine power, etc, etc. Its dashboard design is especially dated and devoid of most modern safety features. Vellfire is too huge for most people with horrendous Fc of 8km/L for my driving pattern. Its cabin quality is good and capacity is huge but really wasting petrol if you drive it to work everyday and hauling family only on weekends. I find Stepwagon size the best balance as it does not look huge but has plenty of interior space to accommodate family of 6 or 7 very comfortably. Best is that its powerful engine make driving very effortless and "exciting". If I floor it at traffic light, can pull away from most cars easily.

If you watch those Japanese review videos on Stepwagon 1.5T, you will constantly hear "hayayi" being uttered when the car is put on highway, meaning fast.

From next Jan, road tax for Serena would be about $900, reduced from $1400 currently. Stepwagon is petrol car under cat B COE road tax is about $682. Its scrape value also relatively high at about $18k.

I have been lucky. She quite firmly asked me to change my car so I have final say though she does not actually like the external look. But she has her car already so cannot complain. I would say the stars have aligned well for me.

If you and your family can accept PI, this Stepwagon Spada will serve your family well. Vellfire is too big for most families, and at about $123k now Stepwagon is cheaper by a big margin and much cheaper to maintain. If must take AD, then please consider serena. Go molest both cars and test drive Serena for due diligence. Really VFM that a $125k car can have less than 9sec century sprint with such huge loading capacity and reasonably quality cabin.

Stepwagon Spada Hybrid has electronic parking brake and Auto Hold and dimmable cabin lights, but costing about 10k more. If mileage high, is worth it. Only Edmund Motor has it.

Frankly not really necessary as the car is only 4.7m long and 1.7m wide, similar to any average sedan car. Stepwagon comes with a clever mirror system at passenger side to allow driver to see the bottom front part of the car when parking. Anyway if want to do 3rd party system, then must get the 9"Android headunit to maximise the view.

I will add on to explain why the 1.5L turbo engine in Stepwagon can make the car go much faster than similar rides such as the Triplets and Biante which return century sprint of about 12sec even though on paper it can only churn out similar power at about 150bhp.

The difference is that being a turbo engine, the max power is available at much lower rpm of about 2k to 3k. Quite basic knowledge but tends to be overlooked.

So do not look at he max power of different rides and think the century sprint would be similar if max power rated is similar. This is one good example. 

i'm sure the one with the spoiler is spada, right? i was wondering whether there's any variant with different engines, e.g. turbo vs NA.

Shit, i got it wrong. We went to Jack - no Prime - where we were told no stock. Well, now let's see when we can go take a look again.

8 km/L for Vellfire isn't extremely bad. For my driving pattern, if i go from home to office and back only, i think for Vellfire i might clock only 5-6 km/L. What do you consistently get for the same travel pattern for the Biante, B180 and now Stepwgn?

i never really understand: how come 1.2L Serena E-power gets charged a high road tax because of power (low hp but high torque), but Stepwgn can escape this fate?

I just spoke to wife a few days ago, and now she grudgingly says ok if wanna change to MPV. Unlike you, if we do so, she's not keeping the car she chose - so i'm still 'looking at the weather' 😅

Our Wish was from PI. Didn't have much problem with it or the PI, until the final years when the Takata airbag issue broke. Was disappointed with my PI (a very established one) when they said they dun cover cars >10 yr old - which LTA roundly said they must cover as long as the car is still on the road.

Wow, hybrid costs $10k more? Is the scrap value a lot lower too, since the VES rebate should have been given upfront? Outlander changed to Electronic Parking brake and had rear aircon blower at no extra costs, about 20 mth ago. If only these other cars could do the same... My mileage is low so unlikely i'll consider hybrid...

i never thought the 360 cam is really necessary, but surprisingly i found it useful when i drive the car. sure is nice to be able to park right in the middle of the box, or see how close the car is when going past narrow areas. But yes, not a must.

yup, understand the turbo. Have you tried sprinting off at full load? Is it just as fast?

[inlinesix]

29 minutes ago, Atrecord said:

i'm sure the one with the spoiler is spada, right? i was wondering whether there's any variant with different engines, e.g. turbo vs NA.

Shit, i got it wrong. We went to Jack - no Prime - where we were told no stock. Well, now let's see when we can go take a look again.

8 km/L for Vellfire isn't extremely bad. For my driving pattern, if i go from home to office and back only, i think for Vellfire i might clock only 5-6 km/L. What do you consistently get for the same travel pattern for the Biante, B180 and now Stepwgn?

i never really understand: how come 1.2L Serena E-power gets charged a high road tax because of power (low hp but high torque), but Stepwgn can escape this fate?

I just spoke to wife a few days ago, and now she grudgingly says ok if wanna change to MPV. Unlike you, if we do so, she's not keeping the car she chose - so i'm still 'looking at the weather' 😅

Our Wish was from PI. Didn't have much problem with it or the PI, until the final years when the Takata airbag issue broke. Was disappointed with my PI (a very established one) when they said they dun cover cars >10 yr old - which LTA roundly said they must cover as long as the car is still on the road.

Wow, hybrid costs $10k more? Is the scrap value a lot lower too, since the VES rebate should have been given upfront? Outlander changed to Electronic Parking brake and had rear aircon blower at no extra costs, about 20 mth ago. If only these other cars could do the same... My mileage is low so unlikely i'll consider hybrid...

i never thought the 360 cam is really necessary, but surprisingly i found it useful when i drive the car. sure is nice to be able to park right in the middle of the box, or see how close the car is when going past narrow areas. But yes, not a must.

yup, understand the turbo. Have you tried sprinting off at full load? Is it just as fast?

For hybrid car road tax, the higher of pure petrol or pure electric.

[Heartlander]

4 hours ago, Atrecord said:

i'm sure the one with the spoiler is spada, right? i was wondering whether there's any variant with different engines, e.g. turbo vs NA.

Shit, i got it wrong. We went to Jack - no Prime - where we were told no stock. Well, now let's see when we can go take a look again.

8 km/L for Vellfire isn't extremely bad. For my driving pattern, if i go from home to office and back only, i think for Vellfire i might clock only 5-6 km/L. What do you consistently get for the same travel pattern for the Biante, B180 and now Stepwgn?

For my same travel pattern:

Biante: 9.5km/L

Touran: 10km/L

Vellfire: 8km/L

B180: 10.5km/L

Stepwagon: 12.xkm/L

Stepwagon I consistently got slightly > 600km per tank. I have it exactly a week before the lockdown and my first tank also >600km/L.

i never really understand: how come 1.2L Serena E-power gets charged a high road tax because of power (low hp but high torque), but Stepwgn can escape this fate?

I just spoke to wife a few days ago, and now she grudgingly says ok if wanna change to MPV. Unlike you, if we do so, she's not keeping the car she chose - so i'm still 'looking at the weather' 😅

The shape of this ride definitely need more persuasion, especially if it is to be the only ride in the family. There would be no way my wife will agree to it till prior to the situation before now .

Our Wish was from PI. Didn't have much problem with it or the PI, until the final years when the Takata airbag issue broke. Was disappointed with my PI (a very established one) when they said they dun cover cars >10 yr old - which LTA roundly said they must cover as long as the car is still on the road.

Wow, hybrid costs $10k more? Is the scrap value a lot lower too, since the VES rebate should have been given upfront? Outlander changed to Electronic Parking brake and had rear aircon blower at no extra costs, about 20 mth ago. If only these other cars could do the same... My mileage is low so unlikely i'll consider hybrid...

i never thought the 360 cam is really necessary, but surprisingly i found it useful when i drive the car. sure is nice to be able to park right in the middle of the box, or see how close the car is when going past narrow areas. But yes, not a must.

yup, understand the turbo. Have you tried sprinting off at full load? Is it just as fast?

If full load definitely can feel the weight, but no issue hauling the family due to availability of power at lower rmp. Those triplets with 2L NA engine will feel more strain.

 

[Atrecord]

22 hours ago, Heartlander said:

For my same travel pattern:

Biante: 9.5km/L

Touran: 10km/L

Vellfire: 8km/L

B180: 10.5km/L

Stepwagon: 12.xkm/L

Stepwagon I consistently got slightly > 600km per tank. I have it exactly a week before the lockdown and my first tank also >600km/L.

The shape of this ride definitely need more persuasion, especially if it is to be the only ride in the family. There would be no way my wife will agree to it till prior to the situation before now .

If full load definitely can feel the weight, but no issue hauling the family due to availability of power at lower rmp. Those triplets with 2L NA engine will feel more strain.

ok, so stepwgn is about 50% better than vellfire. I'm getting around 9.5 k/L for 2L SUV. Let's see if we do change, whether we'll get significant improvement. For Serena, i read that quite a number of owners get 12-14 km/L.

My wife refused to consider the triplets when they first appeared years ago, because of the outlook. But she's more accepting of stepwgn and serena.

Oh, forgot to ask: how many airbags does stepwgn has?

[Heartlander]

11 minutes ago, Atrecord said:

ok, so stepwgn is about 50% better than vellfire. I'm getting around 9.5 k/L for 2L SUV. Let's see if we do change, whether we'll get significant improvement. For Serena, i read that quite a number of owners get 12-14 km/L.

My wife refused to consider the triplets when they first appeared years ago, because of the outlook. But she's more accepting of stepwgn and serena.

Oh, forgot to ask: how many airbags does stepwgn has?

From sgcarmart, both Stepwagon and Serena got 6 airbags.

If it comes down to only these 2 models, the decision will be much easier.

If priority is FC and AD, then get Serena.

If want a chio car that looks good both inside and outside, with very functional interior layout, and with complete safety package, then get Stepwagon. This is not to say FC for Stepwagon is no good. Take my case as a reference. Btw do not say I got this car so am biased. I went Nissan showroom in the morning to touch and test-drive Serena without thinking that I will go see any more car as not in my radar actually. Was quite fixated on Serena but frankly I did not feel strongly about it after the session. Then my wife suggested go Megamart to jalan jalan since it is just behind. Then caught sight of Stepwagon and really love at first sight! 

And I would think for people around 50 years old, both are good car to retire on as they are so spacious and functional and can serve the growing up kids well, yet relatively cheap to maintain. I am thinking of chionging up North when things turn normal. Am sure this car will do well for such use haha.

[Sigeena]

The biggest feature is actually practicality. 

This is what the dual rear door allows you to do at times. 

Even the Steppie wouldn't be able to access the waku waku door. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Sigeena