Jaguar XE

[ninerzero]

Yea...reaching 15k soon and intend to change oil outside. Any bro did outside?

I thought it is 16,000km service interval?

 

I went back recently to fix driver door, there was a slight misalignment, they asked me to come back at 16,000.

 

Similarly when I email them about reverse dip also same thing, ask me to come back at 16,000.

 

What oil u intend to use?

Edited September 19, 2016 by ninerzero

[Mason016]

So far I know there are only 3 workshops that are specialized in Volvos, and one of them is pretty F up(integrity and boss attitude), the name starting with M. Like what i mentioned, i'm a car guy, i like to *zheng* my car, be it comestic and performance (A little), Volvo has let me down, the original parts (Spoiler / Cat back muffler / diffuser etc etc)  for change are so bloody expensive, while aftermarket parts are SLIGHTLY better, but the price are still crazy with LIMITED choices. Big brands mods?  Tom dick and harry workshops are doing it everywhere in sg with more affordable pricings.

 

When you buy the Volvo/ jag / less popular conti brands, its easier as the prices are lower (lower instalments and lower downpay), the depre is lower than the big brands and more worthwhile provided you drive 10 years finish and the car can ORD.  

 

However, in reality, most of us here will change cars every few years, maybe average 5 years?   When you sell it, even in the open market yourself, you suffer a depre loss that is MUCH higher than the big brands because there is much lesser demand for such brands. You are right dealer big low sell high, but when you sell it yourself, the direct buyers arent stupid, they know the market *asking* price of your Volvo, so the price is still like hell.

 

My question is, why make your life so stress at the time when you wanna sell your Volvo?   My uncle in law took almost 10 months to sell off his 3 years old V60, with a heavy loss in depre, while his previous 2 year old  c180 sold in DAYS with miniumum loss in depre (almost straight line).  To sum up, the merc cost even less on depre than the v60.   

 

Its not about being sheep among the common folks, its about financial management of your wealth afterall, with other factors to consider.  I can safely say this will be our first and LAST volvo.  Dont get me wrong, I love the car, powerful efficient responsibe AD with good after sales service,  but financial wise it does not make sense at least for myself.  My 2 cents.    

 

Isn't this more a mis-match of your expectations rather than the car?  If, by definition, you are a car guy, then you would have known that Volvos have limited mods.  You would also know that aside from supercars and vintage models; any car you buy, be it Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Jaguar, Toyota, Honda etc. are liabilities, so I don't understand why you are harping about resale.  

 

[X09a_justice]

yes, my mistake of not researching.  was blinded totally by the power and the specs of the car with the low price volvo offered on the t5 at the time i bought (came from a 1.5 NA, totally underpowered.  the t5 with 245hp 350nm torque was water drooling when you whack it during test drive.

 

Liabilities, yes any car in sg is a liablity, i didnt deny it.  But this is not the point, the point is how much more and how much less you lose on depre per year when you sell it.  and also the car hanging for long time till a direct owner eyes and buys it, which is a form of mental stress, unlike big brands which can you sell more easily in a shorter period of time.  

 

 

Isn't this more a mis-match of your expectations rather than the car?  If, by definition, you are a car guy, then you would have known that Volvos have limited mods.  You would also know that aside from supercars and vintage models; any car you buy, be it Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Jaguar, Toyota, Honda etc. are liabilities, so I don't understand why you are harping about resale.  

 

 

Edited September 19, 2016 by X09a_justice

[Mkl22]

yes, my mistake of not researching. was blinded totally by the power and the specs of the car with the low price volvo offered on the t5 at the time i bought (came from a 1.5 NA, totally underpowered. the t5 with 245hp 350nm torque was water drooling when you whack it during test drive.

 

Liabilities, yes any car in sg is a liablity, i didnt deny it. But this is not the point, the point is how much more and how much less you lose on depre per year when you sell it. and also the car hanging for long time till a direct owner eyes and buys it, which is a form of mental stress, unlike big brands which can you sell more easily in a shorter period of time.

That's the price you pay for wanting to be special and buying a less popular car. Toyota Honda Mercedes BMW are easily sold. For jaguar even if you price it cheap you get one phone call when a similarly priced Mercedes will get 10. Same thing with parts supply like you mentioned. Everyone stocks merc BMW toyota and Honda parts. For me I rather follow the herd. I don't have deep pockets nor the time to want to be 'special'

[BenTong]

we all like to be unique. uniqueness comes with a price..

 

 

[Vratenza]

we all like to be unique. uniqueness comes with a price..

Yeah just look towards the other extreme of the spectrum.... Dime a dozen Vezel/altis

[rickosw]

Yeah just look towards the other extreme of the spectrum.... Dime a dozen Vezel/altis

 

that I do agree, it is always a catch 22, you want popular cars with tonnes of spare parts - Sinkie No. 1 Vezel / traditional cars Altis - you wont be special - even if you "zeng" it ... best part - these "popular cars" are been used by UBER / GRAB / Private Taxi - you like that type of feeling ? your friends & relatives all say, UBER CAR, GRAB CAR

 

some people can accept it, some cant - to each its own

 

alternative view to buying the super popular models within the Big 3 (AUDI, BMW, MB), get a less common model,  if you want to be just a little more special - (eg, BMW 2 series, or BMW GT, or MB SUV, Audi A5 (four door) ) - disclaimers is the price range that you can afford

 

2 cents thought

[carsg]

i came across a strange behavior on my XE. i was heading towards PIE Tuas after Clementi road exit, i was driving on a bend, road was slightly wet, at the bend i applied the brakes slightly to regulate my speed after which the car started swerving to the right middle divider although the bend is going left. i tried to steer back to lane but the car swerved to the left. Again i tried to steer back to lane and it swerved to the right. i applied the brakes gradually till the car stopped swerving and i drove to the road shoulder. i was extremely lucky i did not hit the middle divider and there were no cars to the left and right lanes at that time. They probably thought i'm a crazy driver and slowed down behind me to see what i was going to do next. I checked the car and did not see any issues with my tires. i went to Wearnes, they checked the alignment, the steering, undercarriage, wheels, tires and brakes and declared that all in order on my 6 mth old ride. The fact that they did not find any issues gives me alot of discomfort. it's like i'm some reckless driver who was speeding and braking on a bend that led to this episode but actually it's far from that. in my years of driving i never came across this before. for once i felt i had no control over my car and the electronics within the car was taking over. i have since started slowing down drastically at bends. any bros came across a similar issue. one thing i noticed it was extremely difficult to steer while the car was swerving left and right. 

[t0y0ta]

i came across a strange behavior on my XE. i was heading towards PIE Tuas after Clementi road exit, i was driving on a bend, road was slightly wet, at the bend i applied the brakes slightly to regulate my speed after which the car started swerving to the right middle divider although the bend is going left. i tried to steer back to lane but the car swerved to the left. Again i tried to steer back to lane and it swerved to the right. i applied the brakes gradually till the car stopped swerving and i drove to the road shoulder. i was extremely lucky i did not hit the middle divider and there were no cars to the left and right lanes at that time. They probably thought i'm a crazy driver and slowed down behind me to see what i was going to do next. I checked the car and did not see any issues with my tires. i went to Wearnes, they checked the alignment, the steering, undercarriage, wheels, tires and brakes and declared that all in order on my 6 mth old ride. The fact that they did not find any issues gives me alot of discomfort. it's like i'm some reckless driver who was speeding and braking on a bend that led to this episode but actually it's far from that. in my years of driving i never came across this before. for once i felt i had no control over my car and the electronics within the car was taking over. i have since started slowing down drastically at bends. any bros came across a similar issue. one thing i noticed it was extremely difficult to steer while the car was swerving left and right. 

 

Sounds like you triggered oversteer, which fits the situation.

 

1) RWD more prone to oversteer

2) wet roads, so traction lacking

 

But usually traction control will save you long before you need to take such evasive measures. Did you turn off TRC?

[Vratenza]

RWD + Diesel Low end torque?

 

During your first braking to slow down, the car went into understeer to wards the right as you lift off your throttle...

 

Subsequently did you step on the accelerator and at the same time turn the steering more towards the left causing an oversteer?

 

 

i came across a strange behavior on my XE. i was heading towards PIE Tuas after Clementi road exit, i was driving on a bend, road was slightly wet, at the bend i applied the brakes slightly to regulate my speed after which the car started swerving to the right middle divider although the bend is going left. i tried to steer back to lane but the car swerved to the left. Again i tried to steer back to lane and it swerved to the right. i applied the brakes gradually till the car stopped swerving and i drove to the road shoulder. i was extremely lucky i did not hit the middle divider and there were no cars to the left and right lanes at that time. They probably thought i'm a crazy driver and slowed down behind me to see what i was going to do next. I checked the car and did not see any issues with my tires. i went to Wearnes, they checked the alignment, the steering, undercarriage, wheels, tires and brakes and declared that all in order on my 6 mth old ride. The fact that they did not find any issues gives me alot of discomfort. it's like i'm some reckless driver who was speeding and braking on a bend that led to this episode but actually it's far from that. in my years of driving i never came across this before. for once i felt i had no control over my car and the electronics within the car was taking over. i have since started slowing down drastically at bends. any bros came across a similar issue. one thing i noticed it was extremely difficult to steer while the car was swerving left and right. 

 

[carsg]

RWD + Diesel Low end torque?

 

During your first braking to slow down, the car went into understeer to wards the right as you lift off your throttle...

 

Subsequently did you step on the accelerator and at the same time turn the steering more towards the left causing an oversteer?

Not sure how to turn off traction control. Need to check. But at the bend i did brake and stepped on accelarator quickly after as i had negotiated the bend thats when the swerving to the middle divider started.

[Vratenza]

Not sure how to turn off traction control. Need to check. But at the bend i did brake and stepped on accelarator quickly after as i had negotiated the bend thats when the swerving to the middle divider started.

Yeah. Sounds like "lift-off understeer" and "on-throttle oversteer" amplified by wet slippery condition and unfamiliarity with the RWD high torque driving characteristic of the car.

[flashbang]

Yeah. Sounds like "lift-off understeer" and "on-throttle oversteer" amplified by wet slippery condition and unfamiliarity with the RWD high torque driving characteristic of the car.

Driving so complicated nowadays?

[Vratenza]

Driving so complicated nowadays?

The complication level depends very much on whether an individual choose to close one eye and drive or to invest alittle bit more effort in understanding what the potentially life endangering machine he is operating can do.

 

Individual aptitude counts alot too.

[carsg]

Yeah. Sounds like "lift-off understeer" and "on-throttle oversteer" amplified by wet slippery condition and unfamiliarity with the RWD high torque driving characteristic of the car.

Bear with me. But what did i do wrong here and how could this be avoided really? U guys are much more informed than the service engineers. Kudos man!

[ninerzero]

Bear with me. But what did i do wrong here and how could this be avoided really? U guys are much more informed than the service engineers. Kudos man!

Sounds scary.. do check if u have an orange icon on the Speedo. If yes, then yes, u turned off the traction control.

 

How fast were u going? I do go around corners pretty fast in dry conditions. It's just amazing how there's almost no body roll. Also accelerate hard just before exits as well. so far very well controlled. But I think the stock tyres are a little too soft/ small. Car tends to shift a little.

 

However I do notice that when the car hits a puddle of water at say 80kmh, it does have a big reaction. Not sure if it is because of the weight of the car. But it pulls to the side where the water is quite heavily. Since then I drive slowly on wet days.

[Theoldjaffa]

So far I know there are only 3 workshops that are specialized in Volvos, and one of them is pretty F up(integrity and boss attitude), the name starting with M. Like what i mentioned, i'm a car guy, i like to *zheng* my car, be it comestic and performance (A little), Volvo has let me down, the original parts (Spoiler / Cat back muffler / diffuser etc etc) for change are so bloody expensive, while aftermarket parts are SLIGHTLY better, but the price are still crazy with LIMITED choices. Big brands mods? Tom dick and harry workshops are doing it everywhere in sg with more affordable pricings.

 

When you buy the Volvo/ jag / less popular conti brands, its easier as the prices are lower (lower instalments and lower downpay), the depre is lower than the big brands and more worthwhile provided you drive 10 years finish and the car can ORD.

 

However, in reality, most of us here will change cars every few years, maybe average 5 years? When you sell it, even in the open market yourself, you suffer a depre loss that is MUCH higher than the big brands because there is much lesser demand for such brands. You are right dealer buy low sell high, but when you sell it yourself, the direct buyers arent stupid, they know the market *asking* price of your Volvo, so the price is still like hell.

 

My question is, why make your life so stress at the time when you wanna sell your Volvo? My uncle in law took almost 10 months to sell off his 3 years old V60, with a heavy loss in depre, while his previous 2 year old c180 sold in DAYS with miniumum loss in depre (almost straight line). To sum up, the merc cost even less on depre than the v60.

 

Its not about being sheep among the common folks, its about financial management of your wealth afterall, with other factors to consider. I can safely say this will be our first and LAST volvo. Dont get me wrong, I love the car, powerful efficient responsibe AD with good after sales service, but financial wise it does not make sense at least for myself. My 2 cents.

I guess it's a case of mismatched expectations like what Mason said. I have to say again, there are options for mods out there, you just didn't have access to the right lobang.

 

Looking at the bright side, it's good that you now have the experience to make informed choices for yourself the next time when you can pay for the car yourself. .

 

At least you don't have to (painfully) pay tuition fee out of your own pocket now to learn .

[ninerzero]

I guess it's a case of mismatched expectations like what Mason said. I have to say again, there are options for mods out there, you just didn't have access to the right lobang.

 

Looking at the bright side, it's good that you now have the experience to make informed choices for yourself the next time when you can pay for the car yourself. .

 

At least you don't have to (painfully) pay tuition fee out of your own pocket now to learn . ð

 

Merc and BMW are great cars which offer better resale value in SG, no doubt about that, although the initial purchase price and depre per year is already higher among comparable makes and models to begin with.

 

But the brand equity, the driving pleasure, the intangible benefits of driving the BMW or Merc more than pays itself off. With so many in SG thinking the same way, by the power of their collective wisdom I reckon they can't be wrong.

 

Happy driving!

Just drive 10 years.. No need think about resale value ..wahahaha