BYD Sealion 7

[inlinesix]

On 4/15/2025 at 8:13 AM, Actan72 said:

at this price, i dun see any contis able to compare.

the only thing lose for me personally is this car is pure EV

I will be tempted if this is a hybrid

If it is hybrid, it is likely another 50k

[marcuspeck]

@steveting99 have you check out the Skoda Enyaq? 

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/european-ev-market-improvement-as-skoda-and-vw-soar/

[Rocky35]

On 4/14/2025 at 9:21 PM, steveting99 said:

@Actan72 good to see some push back on the review of the BYD Sealion 7. Do you know of any contis (make and model number) that's priced around $213k that can beat the Sealion 7? Can compare specs and features for review.

I think @steveting99 misread @Actan72.

I believe @Actan72 was agreeing with Bobby Ang that the SL7 is better value than any conti.

If there is any non-China car in this segment, that can beat the SL7 in value, I don't know what it is yet.

[steveting99]

On 4/15/2025 at 10:36 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 have you check out the Skoda Enyaq? 

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/european-ev-market-improvement-as-skoda-and-vw-soar/

@marcuspeck Haven't looked too closely on Skoda Enyaq EV yet - maybe I should and compare it to the Sealion 7? Looks to be doing well in Europe in terms of sales in Jan-2025. Top of the chart and #1 as the best selling EV with 7,163 deliveries. 

Both the Sealion 7 and Enyaq are Cat B vehicles and around the same price, though the Enyaq is currently +$7k more expensive than the Sealion 7. Wondering what extra you're getting for that additional +$7k cost?

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[marcuspeck]

@steveting99 well basic and brief comparisons on paper are:

1. Enyaq OMV is $9k higher than the Sealion

2. Enyaq range is 565km.

3. Enyaq battery charge from 10% to 80% (given the use of the supported max DC rated for the battery) is 38mins. 
4. Škoda has been around way longer than BYD. 

For more in depth comparisons, there’s a lot of articles on the internet but each car suits different people so it’s subjective.

I have a friend who secured his Sealion the same time as me for the Enyaq the previous COE bidding, in the end the price is Sealion is cheaper than my Enyaq by 4K.

Again, no offence to Sealion. Just paper comparisons.

Edited April 16 by marcuspeck

[Melody288]

On 4/16/2025 at 10:05 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 well basic and brief comparisons on paper are:

1. Enyaq OMV is $9k higher than the Sealion

2. Enyaq range is 565km.

3. Enyaq battery charge from 10% to 80% (given the use of the supported max DC rated for the battery) is 38mins. 
4. Škoda has been around way longer than BYD. 

For more in depth comparisons, there’s a lot of articles on the internet but each car suits different people so it’s subjective.

I have a friend who secured his Sealion the same time as me for the Enyaq the previous COE bidding, in the end the price is Sealion is cheaper than my Enyaq by 4K.

Again, no offence to Sealion. Just paper comparisons.

Any reason why you chose Enyaq instead of ID.4 or 5?  Heard VW's EV app has limited functions.

Edited April 16 by Melody288
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[marcuspeck]

@Melody288 I’m only speaking for myself, and myself only.

1. The looks of both the IDs did not capture me. (It’s a love hate thing for me).
2. The inside of the door handles (where you would normally grab and push the door close or open) is gloss piano black, sure hard to maintain. 
3. You need to press the brakes harder than usual to get the car to stop. 

4. The rear aircon outlets are almost at the floor level. That’s weird for a design. 
 

I don’t even use the Škoda app so not much to compare there.
 

To me, the designers of the IDs are trying too hard to please, letting go of practical ideas for the everyday driver. 

Edited April 16 by marcuspeck

[steveting99]

On 4/15/2025 at 8:13 AM, Actan72 said:

at this price, i dun see any contis able to compare.

the only thing lose for me personally is this car is pure EV

I will be tempted if this is a hybrid

@Actan72 BYD has a Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) version to the Sealion 7 - it's called the Sealion 6 DM-i. International versions of the Sealion 6 DM-i are available in Australia, New Zealand, Philippines and in Thailand.

Question is if BYD will ever bring the Sealion 6 DM-i to Malaysia / Singapore. 

Edited April 16 by steveting99
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[Sdf4786k]

On 4/15/2025 at 11:36 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 have you check out the Skoda Enyaq? 

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/european-ev-market-improvement-as-skoda-and-vw-soar/

I think it’s on rear drum brakes . 

[Sdf4786k]

On 4/16/2025 at 11:05 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 well basic and brief comparisons on paper are:

1. Enyaq OMV is $9k higher than the Sealion

2. Enyaq range is 565km.

3. Enyaq battery charge from 10% to 80% (given the use of the supported max DC rated for the battery) is 38mins. 
4. Škoda has been around way longer than BYD. 

For more in depth comparisons, there’s a lot of articles on the internet but each car suits different people so it’s subjective.

I have a friend who secured his Sealion the same time as me for the Enyaq the previous COE bidding, in the end the price is Sealion is cheaper than my Enyaq by 4K.

Again, no offence to Sealion. Just paper comparisons.

The intro price of sealion was 190k. 

[marcuspeck]

@Sdf4786k yes it’s in rear drum brakes. This topic of whether rear drum brakes or disc brakes, this topic will never end because people have preferences. But the real application of rear brakes is to lower the cost. Apart from that, depends on driver feel already, so I can only speak for myself, Enyaq rear drum brakes are more than enough. 

[marcuspeck]

@Sdf4786k is this the price now? That’s not what my friend got for his Sealion from the previous successful bidding leh.

[steveting99]

On 4/16/2025 at 10:05 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 well basic and brief comparisons on paper are:

1. Enyaq OMV is $9k higher than the Sealion

2. Enyaq range is 565km.

3. Enyaq battery charge from 10% to 80% (given the use of the supported max DC rated for the battery) is 38mins. 
4. Škoda has been around way longer than BYD. 

For more in depth comparisons, there’s a lot of articles on the internet but each car suits different people so it’s subjective.

I have a friend who secured his Sealion the same time as me for the Enyaq the previous COE bidding, in the end the price is Sealion is cheaper than my Enyaq by 4K.

Again, no offence to Sealion. Just paper comparisons.

@marcuspeck thanks for the comparison and congrats on getting the Enyaq! The Skoda Enyaq sure looks interesting and the has a fantastic WLTP range of 585km which easily beats the Sealion 7 WLTP range of 480km. Interestingly both have approximately the same battery size of 82kWHr and both vehicles weigh the same around 2.2 tonnes. The efficiency of the Enyaq is a bit better at 19.2kWHr/100km compared to Sealion 7's 19.9kWHr/100km. That 4% energy efficiency still doesn't explain 21% range difference - which me scratching the head. Was trying to find out what type of lithium ion battery the Enyaq uses and not so easy to find out using Mr. Google. Either it's NMC, NMA or LFP. The Sealion 7 uses BYD's proprietary blade battery which is LFP type. Does the Enyaq owner's manual state the battery type used? A clue would be the recommendation in the owner's manual on the cut off while charging - is it 80% State of Health (SoH) or does it say to regularly top up to 100%?

Skoda does a few things right compared to BYD for the end user. This includes some physical buttons below the infotainment display, the front door storage compartment for an umbrella and rear seat shades.  One thing that Sealion 7 has that Enyaq doesn't have are the ventilated front seats - quite useful in the hot climate of Singapore. 

An important point to consider between Enyaq that Sealion 7 is the manufacture's warranty. Skoda Singapore offers a shorter 2-year manufacture's warranty with unlimited kms. BYD Singapore offers a longer 6 year 150,000km manufacture's warranty. If Skoda can match BYD's manufacturer's warranty period of six years, it would be better and give future car buyers a lot more confidence in the product. 

Rest of the features between Sealion 7 and Enyaq are about the time - so it's down to price and what one thinks are important features (i.e. personal preference).    

[marcuspeck]

On 4/17/2025 at 9:46 AM, steveting99 said:

@marcuspeck thanks for the comparison and congrats on getting the Enyaq! The Skoda Enyaq sure looks interesting and the has a fantastic WLTP range of 585km which easily beats the Sealion 7 WLTP range of 480km. Interestingly both have approximately the same battery size of 82kWHr and both vehicles weigh the same around 2.2 tonnes. The efficiency of the Enyaq is a bit better at 19.2kWHr/100km compared to Sealion 7's 19.9kWHr/100km. That 4% energy efficiency still doesn't explain 21% range difference - which me scratching the head. Was trying to find out what type of lithium ion battery the Enyaq uses and not so easy to find out using Mr. Google. Either it's NMC, NMA or LFP. The Sealion 7 uses BYD's proprietary blade battery which is LFP type. Does the Enyaq owner's manual state the battery type used? A clue would be the recommendation in the owner's manual on the cut off while charging - is it 80% State of Health (SoH) or does it say to regularly top up to 100%?

Skoda does a few things right compared to BYD for the end user. This includes some physical buttons below the infotainment display, the front door storage compartment for an umbrella and rear seat shades.  One thing that Sealion 7 has that Enyaq doesn't have are the ventilated front seats - quite useful in the hot climate of Singapore. 

An important point to consider between Enyaq that Sealion 7 is the manufacture's warranty. Skoda Singapore offers a shorter 2-year manufacture's warranty with unlimited kms. BYD Singapore offers a longer 6 year 150,000km manufacture's warranty. If Skoda can match BYD's manufacturer's warranty period of six years, it would be better and give future car buyers a lot more confidence in the product. 

Rest of the features between Sealion 7 and Enyaq are about the time - so it's down to price and what one thinks are important features (i.e. personal preference).    

Thanks. The Enyaq battery is NMC. 

https://www.mycarforum.com/forums/topic/2723693-byd-m6/page/6/

Owner's manual recommendation is to charge to 80% on regular basis, which is the default setting and the charging will stop at 80% and you be notified via the charging app (which ever charging supplier you use). I do this all the time. You can toggle the maximum or whatever % top up charge in the settings you want.  

As for warranty, this is mentioned by my SE:

"8yrs battery warranty/160k km
5yrs car warranty/100k km."

[steveting99]

On 4/17/2025 at 10:21 AM, marcuspeck said:

Thanks. The Enyaq battery is NMC. 

https://www.mycarforum.com/forums/topic/2723693-byd-m6/page/6/

Owner's manual recommendation is to charge to 80% on regular basis, which is the default setting and the charging will stop at 80% and you be notified via the charging app (which ever charging supplier you use). I do this all the time. You can toggle the maximum or whatever % top up charge in the settings you want.  

As for warranty, this is mentioned by my SE:

"8yrs battery warranty/160k km
5yrs car warranty/100k km."

@marcuspeck Thanks for the link to BYD's M6 thread and confirming the battery chemistry of the Enyaq as NMC. Just realized that @Tohto and yourself are Enyaq owners. 

The NMC battery pack on the Enyaq probably explains why the OMV is higher than BYD's Sealion 7. Even though both vehicles have the same capacity of 82 kWHr, Skoda is paying around 30% more for the battery pack on the Enyaq than BYD. Also BYD makes their own battery - saving the markup with a 3rd party vendor. 

The AD markup is a reasonable 8% of OMV for the Enyaq.

BYD AD's are a bit more greedier with about 94% margin of the OMV on the Sealion 7.  

Skoda's AD is probably offering an extended warranty on the Enyaq of another 3 years on top the manufacturer's 2 year warranty. Skoda's warranty is mentioned here: https://www.skoda.com.sg/ownership/warranty/skoda-warranty

[steveting99]

LTA has released their statistics for cost of cars in March 2025. Table in pdf format is here: https://onemotoring.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/onemotoring/Buying/Car_Cost_Update/M032-Car_Cost_Update.pdf

Open Market Value (OMV) of Sealion 7 Premium average value is $38.5k

Excise Duty (20% of OMV) works out to be $7.7k

Goods and Services Tax (GST) is 9% of OMV + excise duty, which works out to be $4.2k

Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is a tiered tax based on OMV with 100% on 1st $20k, 140% between $20k to $40k, 190% between $40k to $60k, 250% between $60k to $80k and finally 350% after $80k. For the Sealion 7 the ARF comes out to $45.9k

Since Sealion 7 Premium falls in A1 band of the Vehicle Emission Scheme (VES) there is a rebate of -$25k.👍

LTA also gives an EV Early Adoption Incentive (EEAI) rebate based on the VES and EEAI not exceeding the total value of ARF, or a maximum of -$15k or 45% of ARF - which ever is lower. Sealion 7 gets the full EEAI rebate of -$15k. So the VES and EEAI manages to offset most of the ARF tax.🤑 Leaving only $5.9k of ARF of which 50% will be refunded if the vehicle is scrapped at the end of CoE Cat B. 

IU reader cost is $0.16k

Registration fee is $0.35k

1st year road tax (inclusive of $0.7k fuel surcharge on EV) is $2.3k

Sub-Total of costs including OMV, excise duty, GST, ARF, VES, EEAI and registration costs before Cat B CoE is $59k

Cat B CoE (as at 17-Apr-2025 and reported on SG Carmart) is $117.9k

Thus cost basis before dealer mark up is $59k + $117.9k = $177k

Current sales price as reported on SG Carmart on the Sealion 7 Premium is $212.9k

Dealer mark up is $36k or 93.4% of OMV on the Sealion 7 Premium. I consider the dealer profit margin to be a bit excessive (almost approaching tripe digits) and there is room to negotiate the price down further with the dealers. BYD dealers are Vantage Automotive, Motor-East, BYD by 1826, Jack Cars, BYD by JC, and Harmony Auto. With Vantage Automotive being the official distributor of BYD cars in Singapore.

Edited April 23 by steveting99
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[Kar_lover]

On 4/16/2025 at 10:05 AM, marcuspeck said:

@steveting99 well basic and brief comparisons on paper are:

1. Enyaq OMV is $9k higher than the Sealion

2. Enyaq range is 565km.

3. Enyaq battery charge from 10% to 80% (given the use of the supported max DC rated for the battery) is 38mins. 
4. Škoda has been around way longer than BYD. 

For more in depth comparisons, there’s a lot of articles on the internet but each car suits different people so it’s subjective.

I have a friend who secured his Sealion the same time as me for the Enyaq the previous COE bidding, in the end the price is Sealion is cheaper than my Enyaq by 4K.

Again, no offence to Sealion. Just paper comparisons.

MEB platform cars have known 12V battery issues and also the occasional bad steering vibration when reverse gear and also only 8 years battery warranty. MEB cars include Audi Q4 e-tron, ID.4, ID.5 and Cupra Born and Tavascan. I was close to pulling the trigger on the Tavascan but got put off by these reported issues (i joined the FB owners clubs for other countries). Oh and they ALL have rear drum brakes (incl Q4ET). 

[Kar_lover]

On 4/23/2025 at 11:20 AM, steveting99 said:

LTA has released their statistics for cost of cars in March 2025. Table in pdf format is here: https://onemotoring.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/onemotoring/Buying/Car_Cost_Update/M032-Car_Cost_Update.pdf

Open Market Value (OMV) of Sealion 7 Premium average value is $38.5k

Excise Duty (20% of OMV) works out to be $7.7k

Goods and Services Tax (GST) is 9% of OMV + excise duty, which works out to be $4.2k

Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is a tiered tax based on OMV with 100% on 1st $20k, 140% between $20k to $40k, 190% between $40k to $60k, 250% between $60k to $80k and finally 350% after $80k. For the Sealion 7 the ARF comes out to $45.9k

Since Sealion 7 Premium falls in A1 band of the Vehicle Emission Scheme (VES) there is a rebate of -$25k.👍

LTA also gives an EV Early Adoption Incentive (EEAI) rebate based on the VES and EEAI not exceeding the total value of ARF, or a maximum of -$15k or 45% of ARF - which ever is lower. Sealion 7 gets the full EEAI rebate of -$15k. So the VES and EEAI manages to offset most of the ARF tax.🤑 Leaving only $5.9k of ARF of which 50% will be refunded if the vehicle is scrapped at the end of CoE Cat B. 

IU reader cost is $0.16k

Registration fee is $0.35k

1st year road tax (inclusive of $0.7k fuel surcharge on EV) is $2.3k

Sub-Total of costs including OMV, excise duty, GST, ARF, VES, EEAI and registration costs before Cat B CoE is $59k

Cat B CoE (as at 17-Apr-2025 and reported on SG Carmart) is $117.9k

Thus cost basis before dealer mark up is $59k + $117.9k = $177k

Current sales price as reported on SG Carmart on the Sealion 7 Premium is $212.9k

Dealer mark up is $36k or 93.4% of OMV on the Sealion 7 Premium. I consider the dealer profit margin to be a bit excessive (almost approaching tripe digits) and there is room to negotiate the price down further with the dealers. BYD dealers are Vantage Automotive, Motor-East, BYD by 1826, Jack Cars, BYD by JC, and Harmony Auto. With Vantage Automotive being the official distributor of BYD cars in Singapore.

Going by the way u calculate markup, many vehicles will be high as well.

BMW iX1 listing at $272,888 with OMV of $47,200 - the "markup" is $92,658 or 196.3% That is more than DOUBLE of the Sealion.

Just use simple way of calculating gross profit being the selling price less total basic cost.