Tohdj Neutral Newbie September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 Assuming if u believe in God, when he created us, he gave us free will. So after he gave us the free will we are no longer dependent on God's will, cos he gave us the power to decide for ourselves and in fact we can even choose to go against God's will. if there is god's will, then god will know our eventual destiny and outcome. Thus whatever decisions which we make out of freewill has no effect on our destiny. So how can we have free will then? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohdj Neutral Newbie September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 Bro i just know from my belief,we can walk around on fire,cut ourself without dieing/pain....this is our belief and people dare to do so...to show the faith and belief... all across the world...there are many who believes in many things.... some still believe that elvis is still alive!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 wow so strict liao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie47 1st Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 That's called fate lah! You are mixing the two. With free will comes consequences. With fate, free will or not, same outcome. Give me free will anytime. At least if I screw up, I know it is my fault and not because it is so because of fate. Come to think of it, if fate rules the world, no point living. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 (edited) (genie, not replying to you, just click on the last post) its friday, should spend more time on TCSS thread and not here, there were many threads discussing this and the whole world is doing the same, so there wont be any AGREEMENT, and NEVER will just dont start any thread on religion topic, not even from what papers say or from other forums Edited September 21, 2007 by Jman888 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohdj Neutral Newbie September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 yes bro. of cos i cannot say all taoist go temple to ask for number. again we cannot comdamm that christians are all the irritating pest in society. and christians are what people labeled as (cult crazy fools ) anything u name it.it's the same. hehehe....so u decided not to answer my questions? hehehehe can u show me where i said "comdamm that christians are all the irritating pest in society"? i dun think i made that comment in the 1st place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 i don't believe in fate. i believe in decision. you do what is right and expect what u do. u sow what u reap principle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohdj Neutral Newbie September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 fate is defined by some as follows... # destiny: an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future # Destiny: the ultimate agency that predetermines the course of events (often personified as a woman); "we are helpless in the face of Destiny" # destine: decree or designate beforehand; "She was destined to become a great pianist" Some people believe that a supreme being decides on one's fate....some believe that their past actions determines their fate...some believe that they determine their own fate. If one has free will, then shouldn't he be determining his own fate? if not, then is it due to some supreme powers who determine their fate? then isn't free will superceded by god's will? this comment reinforces what u have been saying..."At least if I screw up, I know it is my fault and not because it is so because of fate. " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie47 1st Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 Ahbuthen! You think like today anyhow suka suka go church ah? Kenna scolded until embarrassed. Have to go back home and change before going to church. The analogy he put is this. If going to see our President or someone important, even a uncouthed foul-mouthed hawker will change to his best clothes before going. Better have some reverence. You are not going to see a prostitute, he says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiphiphoray 6th Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 after osama did some funny game, everywhere secu very high liaoz.. that means they work by word of mouth?? i have never heard of tian tou yet. is tian tou pronounce in han yu pin ying?? just curious la.. don't mind me.. Ya.....its prononce as han yu pin yin. Exist for many many years liao. Unfortunately its not my cup of tea. Maybe when im damn old liao/almost going up the lorry that time, then talk about FAITH to me rah. For now, time is more precious to me then anyhting else. I would rather spend the time watching my kids grow up...the current time is most precious rah....cos it will never return again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 sorry i miss it. i didn't actually mean that u said that in the 1st place. but in general. people actually meant that alot.! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiphiphoray 6th Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 That's called fate lah! You are mixing the two. With free will comes consequences. With fate, free will or not, same outcome. Give me free will anytime. At least if I screw up, I know it is my fault and not because it is so because of fate. Come to think of it, if fate rules the world, no point living. I think for them...anything bad is fate lah. Good things means "UP THERE" got a hand in it. Duno it covers "tiok TOTO" or not ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 yes. i ever told that before. haha. now times has change. world change church also change. the world progress hence the church need to also progress and be update in culture and in the world. and not be backdated. i believe, same goes to our own life. we should always be progressive too. not be outdated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 what yr dad say u're not going to visit prostitute? a little too XX a word yea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie47 1st Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 Unknown to a lot of people. Believing in God or not, in the words of CPT Picard to Data. "We can do everything perfectly right and still fail." Life sucks doesn't it if you reduce it to the mere logic of it all? As humans, with a supreme being directing the outcome by tilting the mathematical improbabilities offers hope. I'm not here to tell you what encompasses in Christian free will or destiny or whatever. To borrow the phrase: What we do in life echoes through eternity. We live on the hope that we did decided on something that gives meaning to life. Life not as how science or nature perceives to be otherwise, I would rather be bacteria because I'll be indestructible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanter 3rd Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 God didnt wanna create robots. He created man out of his own image. He gave man free will. Meaning he left decisions to us. We can create beauty or destruction, its up to us. In some sense we hold destiny in our own hands. If say you wish to walk off a cliff, its your will. God will surely be sad to see his creation commits suicide but chances are that he will not intervene & you would have taken your own life. So since God has given us free will, he will not exercise his will over ours. Does that make sense to your question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie47 1st Gear September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 Thank God for bacteria! They are real rulers of this planet. Dinosaurs came and went but bacteria are still here today to smite us should we become too c0cky! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weichien Clutched September 21, 2007 Share September 21, 2007 since He create man. he also give men orders? but it's our choice if we exercise it anot. and he do not give his people everything they ask for like a parents do not spoonfeed his child everything he ask for. i often say "God i want a new car, a new car, a condo" but God doesn't do it my way. he do it his way. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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