Standard F1 engine for all teams by 2010?

[Garlic]

Source: http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10600/900/

 

 

 

 

Carmakers unhappy with standard engine talks

 

Team bosses are not enthusiastic about moves to install a standard-specification engine formula by 2010.

 

Cost-cutting is a buzzword in the F1 paddock at present, particularly as the world faces a deepening financial crisis.

 

But the heads of some manufacturer-based teams are concerned that standardising engines goes against the very foundations of the sport.

 

Toyota's John Howett said "one of the core interests is at least having some differentiation in the power unit".

 

"I think most of us are not happy at all with the idea of a standard engine," Honda CEO Nick Fry agreed, adding that the Japanese marque is "the largest manufacturer of internal combustion engines in the world; it's the core of the company".

 

BMW's Mario Theissen offered "total support" for the views of his colleagues.

 

Howett suspects that the unified front presented by F1 powerbrokers Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone on standard engines is a "negotiating stance".

 

"There is, I think, an important facet in maintaining formula one as the pinnacle of motorsport and how to achieve that will be the balance," he said.

[Tkseah]

Isn't that like becoming A1

[Watwheels]

I's more like formula renault or F3. Downgrading.

 

They are actually hoping that smaller teams can join F1 without much financial burden.

[Jonbummer]

but i think this may be just a political tools for something

 

if this is truly implemented, fans will just leave as there are

not much to anticipated in terms of how manufactures face off

each others in terms of technology and machineries

 

 

also, as u mentioned there's already a running series of the

same format and principles.

 

whether A1GP will fold is another matter...

[Kelpie]

But Indycars Formula is still around and kicking despite using a universal Honda V8 engine and 6 speed paddle shift gearbox for all the race cars. I think F1 is trying to borrow the idea from Indycars Formula.

 

Indycars Formula

 

Again, Indycars or F1 aren' t they highly commercialized motor sports? Afterall, you can run whatever races, the important thing is still about profit for the organizer and frame for the drivers. For the die-hard, I guess it is all about supporting their star drivers.

 

Regards,

 

[Refugee]

ferrari first one to be unhappy.

 

i hope they dun standardize their engines.

 

Not this season at least... now that they brought back the slick tyres... something to look forward.

 

 

[Twofouronenite]

This one dun think confirm, Toyota n Ferrari threaten to withdraw. Manufacturer title for what if it is standard engine.

[Stary]

Source: http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10600/900/

 

 

 

 

Carmakers unhappy with standard engine talks

 

Team bosses are not enthusiastic about moves to install a standard-specification engine formula by 2010.

 

Cost-cutting is a buzzword in the F1 paddock at present, particularly as the world faces a deepening financial crisis.

 

But the heads of some manufacturer-based teams are concerned that standardising engines goes against the very foundations of the sport.

 

Toyota's John Howett said "one of the core interests is at least having some differentiation in the power unit".

 

"I think most of us are not happy at all with the idea of a standard engine," Honda CEO Nick Fry agreed, adding that the Japanese marque is "the largest manufacturer of internal combustion engines in the world; it's the core of the company".

 

BMW's Mario Theissen offered "total support" for the views of his colleagues.

 

Howett suspects that the unified front presented by F1 powerbrokers Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone on standard engines is a "negotiating stance".

 

"There is, I think, an important facet in maintaining formula one as the pinnacle of motorsport and how to achieve that will be the balance," he said.

 

why not provide a standard car as well. Just different drivers.

 

[Kelpie]

ferrari first one to be unhappy.

 

i hope they dun standardize their engines.

 

Not this season at least... now that they brought back the slick tyres... something to look forward.

 

What if Ferrari is the offical engine used for F1? They should be more than happy . Beside participation, they also get to sell more engines and bag some profit.

 

Regards,

[Twofouronenite]

What if Ferrari is the offical engine used for F1? They should be more than happy . Beside participation, they also get to sell more engines and bag some profit.

 

Regards,

F1 rules change very often. Ferrari might not be happy with their engine as a standard as well. Technology loss to the other competitors if they revert the rules.

 

While profit from engine sell is true, trade secret is priceless too!

[Kelpie]

F1 rules change very often. Ferrari might not be happy with their engine as a standard as well. Technology loss to the other competitors if they revert the rules.

 

While profit from engine sell is true, trade secret is priceless too!

 

If Honda can do it for the large Indycar Formula, I don't see why not. Afterall, if F1 wants to optimize profit, they probably will look at less expensive engine so Ferrari may not stand a chance.

 

Talking about stealing technology, there is no big deal. Any manufacturer who wishes to study their competitors' engines, can always buy one and dissect them.

 

Regards,

[Twofouronenite]

If Honda can do it for the large Indycar Formula, I don't see why not. Afterall, if F1 wants to optimize profit, they probably will look at less expensive engine so Ferrari may not stand a chance.

 

Talking about stealing technology, there is no big deal. Any manufacturer who wishes to study their competitors' engines, can always buy one and dissect them.

 

Regards,

I not saying it will work only one way, just another way of looking at thing.

 

Stealing technology no big deal, then look at wat happen 07? Dun think in F1, any competitor can just buy an F1 engine and do reverse enginerring lah. A normal road car, yes.

 

BTW, this standard engine is not talking about just one team supplying to the rest. The individual team can build the engine base on a standard configuration.

[Kelpie]

I not saying it will work only one way, just another way of looking at thing.

 

Stealing technology no big deal, then look at wat happen 07? Dun think in F1, any competitor can just buy an F1 engine and do reverse enginerring lah. A normal road car, yes.

 

BTW, this standard engine is not talking about just one team supplying to the rest. The individual team can build the engine base on a standard configuration.

 

 

It seems like there is still free play on transmission, ECU, braking, exhaust, chassis and etc. except the car engine.

 

But to have an engine that is build individually and conformed to a standard specification is not going to save lots of money versus the use of an standard engine. In the 1st place, aren't all F1 engine needs to confrm to a specific specification? beat me?

 

Regards,

 

 

[Twofouronenite]

It seems like there is still free play on transmission, ECU, braking, exhaust, chassis and etc. except the car engine.

 

But to have an engine that is build individually and conformed to a standard specification is not going to save lots of money versus the use of an standard engine. In the 1st place, aren't all F1 engine needs to confrm to a specific specification? beat me?

 

Regards,

It think the core of F1 is the engine itself. Make no sense to standardize it. Already single supplier for tyre and ECU .

 

Actually is not just specification but a replica!

 

[Refugee]

It seems like there is still free play on transmission, ECU, braking, exhaust, chassis and etc. except the car engine.

 

But to have an engine that is build individually and conformed to a standard specification is not going to save lots of money versus the use of an standard engine. In the 1st place, aren't all F1 engine needs to confrm to a specific specification? beat me?

 

Regards,

 

yeap. F1 engines currently are said to be 2.4L and limited to 6 cylinders (cant confirm on these 2 but you get the drift).

 

Basically they now only have to follow the engine layout and displacement and other misc specification for the other parts of the cars.

 

the battle in F1 for the past 30 years has always been Ferrari VS McLaren...

 

Ferrari has been winning for quite long and have a strong history to talk about... and like all winners.. they dun like to lose due to change of rules (thus why they threaten to withdraw).

 

 

2 cents.

 

[Refugee]

It think the core of F1 is the engine itself. Make no sense to standardize it. Already single supplier for tyre and ECU .

 

Actually is not just specification but a replica!

 

yesh. if there is only a single supplier for F1 engines.

 

then the racing team with a wind tunnel and test track will win races.

[Freifeit]

there will no more competition in engine development & slow down new inventions ..

[Kusje]

why not provide a standard car as well. Just different drivers.

 

 

Can provide standard drivers too?